For me I'd weight more on the Manager and Players, not to take responsibility off the Owners, but because in reality week to week, season on season, we judge our team by what happens on the pitch and how "good" we think the potential of our team and manager should be, rightly or wrongly:
Owners 35%
Manager 30%
Players 25%
Fans 10%
At the core of it yes, how well we do long term is down to a lot of things from our owners, investment in the squad, appointment of manager etc. But the reason we are so frustrated right now more than anything else is because when we look at our team, and our manager, we expect that we should be getting better production on the pitch game by game (and have felt as much for almost every game this season). If we were run in a fan owned model right now with no levy/lewis involved, and this was our squad and manager producing this football, we'd be expecting much better performances and would still be unhappy. But yes acknowledged that ideally we'd not have ended up with this squad/manager combo to start, which is on Levy.
Fans at home whilst i dont put much weight on them in this table also really frustrate me, i agree with the point that we are quick to turn and it's not so much turning on a manager who ends up getting fired it's more just the silence and moaning/groaning that sets in very quickly early on in matches, and from personal memory has been the case under all the managers i can remember. Though granted this season more than any other in recent memory it's been more understandable.
Reddit saying Conte has flown back to Italy for a break
Except the slew of articles in big newspapers saying the players expect him to leave soon and rumblings of unrest in the dressing room?If he isn't sacked during the international break it's because the majority of the board thinks he is our best chance at CL football, that's the only plausible reason to keep him IMO.
I thought we would hear some noises this morning but nothing of note has come out.
Finances trump everything at THFC, and that CL spot is very lucrative on the yearly books.
Fair few journos have said this aswell, squad was given a few days offReddit saying Conte has flown back to Italy for a break
Them to invite pressure more like.Yeah his outdated methods of defending a lead. Nobody does that in this day and age. The players must want someone who never requires to them to defend under pressure. I guess they took a stand to get Poch out because his methods became outdated too? Jose next and then Nuno. Some sort of pattern here I cant quiet work it out
I think people want the toxic ones to be the players they rate the leastA widely respected guy who has consistently been praised by numerous managers for his character and ability, including at international level (and by serial winners Mourinho and Conte) and who is known as a very articulate and intelligent man outside of football.
But sure he's toxic and all our problems stem from Dier.
It's difficult. However, son wasn't in the game.dont disagree but after Richy and Davies injuries, what more would you have done at 3-1 up with 15 to go?
The coaching staff were supposed to be on a break apparently. Players are due back tomorrow tho I think so not sure how thats going to work.Reddit saying Conte has flown back to Italy for a break
Not invite pressure. Quite literally the worst kept secret in English football is that we can't sit back and defend. The only person that believes it's a secret is Conte. The same person that wants a whole new defence!!!!dont disagree but after Richy and Davies injuries, what more would you have done at 3-1 up with 15 to go?
The coaching staff were supposed to be on a break apparently. Players are due back tomorrow tho I think so not sure how thats going to work.
For me I'd weight more on the Manager and Players, not to take responsibility off the Owners, but because in reality week to week, season on season, we judge our team by what happens on the pitch and how "good" we think the potential of our team and manager should be, rightly or wrongly:
Owners 35%
Manager 30%
Players 25%
Fans 10%
At the core of it yes, how well we do long term is down to a lot of things from our owners, investment in the squad, appointment of manager etc. But the reason we are so frustrated right now more than anything else is because when we look at our team, and our manager, we expect that we should be getting better production on the pitch game by game (and have felt as much for almost every game this season). If we were run in a fan owned model right now with no levy/lewis involved, and this was our squad and manager producing this football, we'd be expecting much better performances and would still be unhappy. But yes acknowledged that ideally we'd not have ended up with this squad/manager combo to start, which is on Levy.
Fans at home whilst i dont put much weight on them in this table also really frustrate me, i agree with the point that we are quick to turn and it's not so much turning on a manager who ends up getting fired it's more just the silence and moaning/groaning that sets in very quickly early on in matches, and from personal memory has been the case under all the managers i can remember. Though granted this season more than any other in recent memory it's been more understandable.
Regarding Saturday..
Conte was damned if he did damned if he didn't.
I personally was ok with his substitutions at the time , ofc it all went tits up and now we are all master coaches.
If he had brought on Moura or Danjuma there is no gaurentee our sorry defence wouldn't have still conceded, and the argument would have been he didn't shore it up and taken the points.
Yes we may have invited pressure, but ffs we were playing soton with Walcott and 15 to go, not City with Haaland for 90
No excuses, our defenders are not to be trusted whatever system we play, the rest is all baloney.
Conte can still fuck off though, because of a list as long as the high st.
They are supposed to be back in tomorrow so lets see what happens.Reddit saying Conte has flown back to Italy for a break
I am in the Conte was spot on camp with his rant. The standout (my view) lack of commitment mixed with throwing it away this season: Nottingham Forest (League Cup), Sheffield United (FA Cup), AC Milan (CL), Arsenal (PL home & away), Villa (PL home), Southampton (PL away), Leicester (PL away), Wolves (PL away - 2nd half especially).A lot of people are agreeing with Conte's criticism of the players, which is fine, but the question of who and what he is talking about has been asked several times and I can only see some very vague answers.
So again, all who think he is spot on, who is he talking about? Or, since he is pointing out all the starting players and the squad; what is he talking about?
I'm asking since I haven't seen a lack of commitment in the squad (OK, fine, Sheffield U away was awful in every sense of the word). I see sub-par performances, frustration and terrible decision-making from the players, but I'm not sure if I see a lack of trying. And I certainly didn't see it in a standout way against Southampton.
Paul O’Keefe seems to think he will be sacked
Reddit saying Conte has flown back to Italy for a break
nah. you're all wrong...
Owners 0%
Manager 0%
Players 0%
Fans 0%
Chirpy 100%