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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

soup

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May 26, 2004
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You could say it's the players, but it's just 'a sign of madness' for me if we keep playing this way. When we played on the back foot under Poch we looked bad. Under Nuno we looked bad. Under Jose we looked bad. Under Conte we look bad.

The players do not fit the system and nor does it look like they either enjoy or thrive under it.

To me, Levy is trying to move the club forward in that regard. It might be crazy that he's hiring managers on the contrary, but he's out there buying exciting players but the managers he employs just won't play them, as they're some kind of terrible 'club signing'.

For a manager known for developing players, he might have done well with Ashley Young, but so far he's not done too well with Bissouma, Gil, Doherty, Spence, Richarlison, Lo Celso, Ndombele or Rodon and has visibly negatively affected the performances of the rest of the team.

Dier is making constant mistakes, Davies is making constant mistakes, Romero is getting a yellow card every match. Not because they're making mistakes on the halfway line, but usually within 10 metres of their own goal. Anyone who has played in defence will know what a clusterfuck it is if you play the whole game in your own box. It's great to see it from a bird's eye view, but when you're in there it's usually frigging chaos! And for 3 players playing that way for 3 years Dier, Davies and Romero aren't doing too bad!

If you play higher up the pitch you have fewer players to keep an eye on as a defender, mainly marking your man and watching his runs. If you're higher up the pitch your fellow defenders also have more time to cover you, work with and co-ordinate with you and in turn the midfield. If you play too deep, it gives the opposition more time to create chaos, make darting runs between you or wrong foot you in a tight area.

Arsenal excel at creating chaos in the middle and looking for chances amid the tactical chaos. You play deep against a team that excels and practices week on week at exploiting that chaos then that's when we fall apart, as we did against Arsenal. Stellini saw this against City and put a Dier right in the middle to cover that 'chaotic' zone and it worked.

It's why Conte is being tactically outmuscled every single game and relying on Kane magic, he might as well hand the team sheet and tactics to Moyes tonight for the West Ham game. They'll know exactly how we're going to turn up and they'll be planning to counter it, naturally. We'll be preparing as from tomorrow to sit deep and 'suffer together'.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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Same shitty cycle about to repeat itself. Wonder what dross of a manager we will end up with next.

Bout time we have someone the time to build a full team and have a run with it. Whatever we do we need a defence and goal keeper so we don't concede the only chance we face most weeks.
It certainly will if we hire a 4th in a row defensive bad fit manager yes.

If we hire another Poch MkII type manager and give them a bit of time and positive momentum we might be ok again but the life has been sucked out of us watching this for 3 years in a row now.
 

13VanDerBale13

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Jul 12, 2011
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There is nothing inherently wrong with this as we all know he’d probably like to go back to Italy at some point. But we’re been in a horrible vein of form post WC, just lost in a huge game you just don’t need to say this. It’s so fucking unecessary


He doesn’t want to talk about his future, yet proceeds to do just that ??‍♀️

On the back of a loss too playing like that ?
 

JCRD

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Aug 10, 2018
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At least he’s not talking about his future though

Id literally break ties as of tomorrow. Fuck it bring in Harry or whoever and I think the biggest change you can make right now that would make such a huge change is - lads enjoy your football and play like you wanna play. No shackles. Release the shackles bitches - like that will change everything
 

wspur

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Jun 8, 2021
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Apart from a couple of defenders and a goalie, this is a really good squad and any passionate progressive manager would do much better.
 

Yiddo100

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Jan 16, 2019
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Id literally break ties as of tomorrow. Fuck it bring in Harry or whoever and I think the biggest change you can make right now that would make such a huge change is - lads enjoy your football and play like you wanna play. No shackles. Release the shackles bitches - like that will change everything
I’d do it now, saves him getting a flight back to Italy tomorrow
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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You could say it's the players, but it's just 'a sign of madness' for me if we keep playing this way. When we played on the back foot under Poch we looked bad. Under Nuno we looked bad. Under Jose we looked bad. Under Conte we look bad.

The players do not fit the system and nor does it look like they either enjoy or thrive under it.

To me, Levy is trying to move the club forward in that regard. It might be crazy that he's hiring managers on the contrary, but he's out there buying exciting players but the managers he employs just won't play them, as they're some kind of terrible 'club signing'.

For a manager known for developing players, he might have done well with Ashley Young, but so far he's not done too well with Bissouma, Gil, Doherty, Spence, Richarlison, Lo Celso, Ndombele or Rodon and has visibly negatively affected the performances of the rest of the team.

Dier is making constant mistakes, Davies is making constant mistakes, Romero is getting a yellow card every match. Not because they're making mistakes on the halfway line, but usually within 10 metres of their own goal. Anyone who has played in defence will know what a clusterfuck it is if you play the whole game in your own box. It's great to see it from a bird's eye view, but when you're in there it's usually frigging chaos! And for 3 players playing that way for 3 years Dier, Davies and Romero aren't doing too bad!

If you play higher up the pitch you have fewer players to keep an eye on as a defender, mainly marking your man and watching his runs. If you're higher up the pitch your fellow defenders also have more time to cover you, work with and co-ordinate with you and in turn the midfield. If you play too deep, it gives the opposition more time to create chaos, make darting runs between you or wrong foot you in a tight area.

Arsenal excel at creating chaos in the middle and looking for chances amid the tactical chaos. You play deep against a team that excels and practices week on week at exploiting that chaos then that's when we fall apart, as we did against Arsenal. Stellini saw this against City and put a Dier right in the middle to cover that 'chaotic' zone and it worked.

It's why Conte is being tactically outmuscled every single game and relying on Kane magic, he might as well hand the team sheet and tactics to Moyes tonight for the West Ham game. They'll know exactly how we're going to turn up and they'll be planning to counter it, naturally. We'll be preparing as from tomorrow to sit deep and 'suffer together'.
Spot on ?

Yes some players especially the defenders aren’t good enough but the last 3 managers have all played the same negative spread out anti possession anti defensive football, the fans don’t like it, the players don’t suit it.

Surely 4th time around we don’t make the same mistake again with the next manager ?!

And for those saying it’s just because of the players, it absolutely isn’t JUST because of the players the same style of play is being repeated for 3 years with very similar issues.

Unless Conte wins us the FA Cup this season has been a complete bore and waste of time yet again.
 

Joe Bjorn Hotspur

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Jan 16, 2023
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He doesn’t want to talk about his future, yet proceeds to do just that ??‍♀️

On the back of a loss too playing like that ?
I wonder if it’s another “out of context” quote… I don’t blame him, we can limp through with what we’ve got until the end of the season if it doesn’t get any worse… surely not ah? He obviously wants to go back to Italy and if we manage to salvage something this season fair enough leaves on good terms.
 

mil1lion

This is the place to be
May 7, 2004
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One thing is certain for me. If we have any intention to switch to a high press attacking manager next season we need to do it now really. If that is what we end up doing the change will take a few months to adapt too. Its going to be a big decision to make in the coming weeks especially if results don't improve.
 

Colonel_Klinck

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May 19, 2004
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There is nothing inherently wrong with this as we all know he’d probably like to go back to Italy at some point. But we’re been in a horrible vein of form post WC, just lost in a huge game you just don’t need to say this. It’s so fucking unecessary


He's clearly doing the off in the summer. Its like a lame duck session, he knows, the club knows and players know.
 

Cel

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Jan 31, 2013
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The problem is Poch needs time to get the team playing his way. We were crap for a while under him when he came. I love the guy but we would have to be happy writing the season off if we bought him in. He'd also be stuck with shit CB we have now.
We're not exactly flying anyway tbh.
 

mil1lion

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May 7, 2004
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He already did that in the pre match conference, we don’t need to hear the same after a wimp loss.
So you think he's just randomly dropping the line "I don't want to talk about my future" into a sentence? He's obviously answering a question. It's the media who keep bringing it up.
 

parj

NDombelly ate all the pies
Jul 27, 2003
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Can someone, without mentioning that our defensive players aren’t good enough, point to any evidence of good tangible coaching in regards attacking and being in possession of the ball?
You have to mention the defensive players because it's his get out clause. It's the curtain people pull to hide the mess
 
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