Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Rogmeister]

Poor fuckers gonna be here forever

 

[HedgieSpur]

Kinda ties in with what Warnock said, that he needs to knuckle down cause he can be great if he does, or end up in the lower leagues for lack of effort. The manager clearly hasn’t seen anything to warrant giving him more regular playing time.

it’s up to the kid to convince Conte, it’s simple and not about an agenda.

My feeling is that he never should have been bought. He wasn’t a manager pick.

I’m not quite sure how this will play out, but hopefully he puts in the work required.

I think we should her very very careful before a narrative develops about Spence being “lazy” takes hold.

Nothing that Conte has said would indicate that Spence has an attitude or work ethic issue.

I am sure that over time, he will be given the opportunity to show what he can do, either with us, or out on loan.

 

[rossdapep]

I understand but it's really hard to find too many players who have improved under him, like really I'm not sure I can find any?

How many players improved under Guardiola in his first year?

Zabaleta? nope
Kolorov? nope
Sterling? hardly
Otamendi? Not really
Stones? perhaps
Aguero? Pep didnt get best out of him at first.

Instead of improving some, pep simply upgraded his GK, RB (bought two), left back, CB and attacking winger.

 

[Mattspurs1982]

How many players improved under Guardiola in his first year?

Zabaleta? nope
Kolorov? nope
Sterling? hardly
Otamendi? Not really
Stones? perhaps
Aguero? Pep didnt get best out of him at first.

Instead of improving some, pep simply upgraded his GK, RB (bought two), left back, CB and attacking winger.

Exactly why in my opinion Pep is overrated. Inherited a great Barca team with the likes of Messi coming through, then picked up a triple winning Bayern team and now has a bottomless pit of cash to replace rather than coach players at city.

 

[kernowspurscoach1977]

Contes job is to win - if Spencer was worthy of a start - judging him on training (none of Us see) then I am certain he would start. Yes he is a ‘club’ signing but if he was ready to add something to add team He would be playing.

he has a decent season last season and a
Couple of good Cup games games.
I wanted him to sign and I think he’ll be good for us but 100% don’t believe he is performing in training at a level to command a starting spot and he is not getting picked. If he was the answer he would be played and the money we are going to spend on rwb would be used else
Where of that I am sure.

 

[kernowspurscoach1977]

Exactly why in my opinion Pep is overrated. Inherited a great Barca team with the likes of Messi coming through, then picked up a triple winning Bayern team and now has a bottomless pit of cash to replace rather than coach players at city.

100% agree would he ever fo To a club who is not At the top or the unlimited resources to be at the top. I would love to see how he does at a small club with limited players and resources.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Contes job is to win - if Spencer was worthy of a start - judging him on training (none of Us see) then I am certain he would start. Yes he is a ‘club’ signing but if he was ready to add something to add team He would be playing.

he has a decent season last season and a
Couple of good Cup games games.
I wanted him to sign and I think he’ll be good for us but 100% don’t believe he is performing in training at a level to command a starting spot and he is not getting picked. If he was the answer he would be played and the money we are going to spend on rwb would be used else
Where of that I am sure.

of course all that would be true if the options in front of him were performing and the side wasn't so sadly lacking in the same position the lad plays - conclusions Spence is either a total waste of money and worse than Royal or Conte won't pick him as he is making some sort of power statement

 

[Viking78]

of course all that would be true if the options in front of him were performing and the side wasn't so sadly lacking in the same position the lad plays - conclusions Spence is either a total waste of money and worse than Royal or Conte won't pick him as he is making some sort of power statement

I think it's been said on here that Conte loves players who go that extra yard in training. Im guessing Spence hasn't done that yet and with two experienced players ahead of him his game time has been limited . He is still young and elements of his game probably need work.
Sarr reported back early from World Cup and has been rewarded with minutes. Royal made every effort in the summer to improve as an athlete and was the starting RWB at beginning of the season.
Seems like a bit of a missed opportunity for Spence, which is a shame.

 

[kernowspurscoach1977]

of course all that would be true if the options in front of him were performing and the side wasn't so sadly lacking in the same position the lad plays - conclusions Spence is either a total waste of money and worse than Royal or Conte won't pick him as he is making some sort of power statement

I do not believe a manager who is judged on success and results and conte in particular is relentless and ruthless in achieving success would have a ‘power statement’ to his detriment. If he believed spence was ready and would add to the team I am certain Conte would play him. Not only would this potentially achieve more results but also free up money for other positions.
I also wonder if Emerson, although limited in am attacking perspective compliments KuLu better by not invading the space that Kulu enjoys and utilises, that makes him so effective.

 

[Trix]

of course all that would be true if the options in front of him were performing and the side wasn't so sadly lacking in the same position the lad plays - conclusions Spence is either a total waste of money and worse than Royal or Conte won't pick him as he is making some sort of power statement

The exact message I got originally the other day was "Still trains and acts like a Championship player. Conte still thinks he has more to give him. He's asked the club for game time to prove himself and Conte has told him to prove himself and he'll get game time." This doesn't mean he's lazy, has a bad attitude, or that he's not trying but it means he hasn't stepped it up to the required level in training. You don't get rewarded with a starting birth without showing you deserve it, it sets such a bad precedent to both the player in question and also others, especially youngsters trying to make the move up.

 

[kernowspurscoach1977]

Who was it who told players you don’t get paid to play matches you get paid to train.
If you train well then the match is the end result.

 

[Gb160]

Who was it who told players you don’t get paid to play matches you get paid to train.
If you train well then the match is the end result.

The Pochmeister.

 

[thelak]

I do not believe a manager who is judged on success and results and conte in particular is relentless and ruthless in achieving success would have a ‘power statement’ to his detriment. If he believed spence was ready and would add to the team I am certain Conte would play him. Not only would this potentially achieve more results but also free up money for other positions.
I also wonder if Emerson, although limited in am attacking perspective compliments KuLu better by not invading the space that Kulu enjoys and utilises, that makes him so effective.

Agreed. Conte just wants good players that can help him win.

If the board deliver that then I doubt cost, profile, age matter too much.

clearly that’s not the case with Spence right now.

 

[HedgieSpur]

The exact message I got originally the other day was "Still trains and acts like a Championship player. Conte still thinks he has more to give him. He's asked the club for game time to prove himself and Conte has told him to prove himself and he'll get game time." This doesn't mean he's lazy, has a bad attitude, or that he's not trying but it means he hasn't stepped it up to the required level in training. You don't get rewarded with a starting birth without showing you deserve it, it sets such a bad precedent to both the player in question and also others, especially youngsters trying to make the move up.

There you go. No agenda... just that he hasn't impressed the manager sufficiently.

 

[spursfan77]

The exact message I got originally the other day was "Still trains and acts like a Championship player. Conte still thinks he has more to give him. He's asked the club for game time to prove himself and Conte has told him to prove himself and he'll get game time." This doesn't mean he's lazy, has a bad attitude, or that he's not trying but it means he hasn't stepped it up to the required level in training. You don't get rewarded with a starting birth without showing you deserve it, it sets such a bad precedent to both the player in question and also others, especially youngsters trying to make the move up.

I don't know how many times it needs to be said really.. It's obvious if he was training better then he would be playing. Conte isn't stupid enough to cut his nose off to spite his face and not play him because he was a club signing and not a player he was desperate for.

Against Pompey I actually saw a player doing more of what Conte would want than just playing his own game. There was no sprinting up the wing and then waiting to see what would happen. He was playing more like Emerson and Doherty do and stopping, cutting in and looking for a pass to midfield or to his attacker. Maybe it is starting to sink in and that was reflected at the weekend.

 

[allatsea]

The exact message I got originally the other day was "Still trains and acts like a Championship player. Conte still thinks he has more to give him. He's asked the club for game time to prove himself and Conte has told him to prove himself and he'll get game time." This doesn't mean he's lazy, has a bad attitude, or that he's not trying but it means he hasn't stepped it up to the required level in training. You don't get rewarded with a starting birth without showing you deserve it, it sets such a bad precedent to both the player in question and also others, especially youngsters trying to make the move up.

Thanks Trix. He might be one of those players who it takes time for the penny to drop as to the difference between the PL and the Championship. Everything is harder and requires more work, more concentration, and more commitment. Hopefully when the penny drops he will become an important player for us.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

The exact message I got originally the other day was "Still trains and acts like a Championship player. Conte still thinks he has more to give him. He's asked the club for game time to prove himself and Conte has told him to prove himself and he'll get game time." This doesn't mean he's lazy, has a bad attitude, or that he's not trying but it means he hasn't stepped it up to the required level in training. You don't get rewarded with a starting birth without showing you deserve it, it sets such a bad precedent to both the player in question and also others, especially youngsters trying to make the move up.

It's just ridiculous this even needs to be pointed out.

It was same when Emerson was playing over Doherty. Conte plays players that give him what he wants. It's really that simple.

 

[wrd]

Exactly why in my opinion Pep is overrated. Inherited a great Barca team with the likes of Messi coming through, then picked up a triple winning Bayern team and now has a bottomless pit of cash to replace rather than coach players at city.

Agree with this, he's had absolute gifts bestowed on him and he hasn't managed to win the champions league with City or Bayern. You compare that to what Klopp achieved at Dortmund then Liverpool. There's no contest for me. As far as I'm concerned getting to a champions league final with a Sissoko/Winks Pivot is more of an achievment than anything pep has done at city.

 

[mil1lion]

Exactly why in my opinion Pep is overrated. Inherited a great Barca team with the likes of Messi coming through, then picked up a triple winning Bayern team and now has a bottomless pit of cash to replace rather than coach players at city.

Trouble is the best managers will manage the top teams. I think he's still a top manager. It's not as simple as it sounds managing these big egos. We see Real Madrid and Chelsea often change manager for example. The fact that Pep is still dominating at the top with City shows his football still works today. He does well to adapt when the time comes and teams still haven't found a consistent method to beat them. I would love him to leave City because I don't see then dominating as much with someone else. Although he does need to win the CL with them and maybe that's what keeps him renewing.

 

[mil1lion]

The exact message I got originally the other day was "Still trains and acts like a Championship player. Conte still thinks he has more to give him. He's asked the club for game time to prove himself and Conte has told him to prove himself and he'll get game time." This doesn't mean he's lazy, has a bad attitude, or that he's not trying but it means he hasn't stepped it up to the required level in training. You don't get rewarded with a starting birth without showing you deserve it, it sets such a bad precedent to both the player in question and also others, especially youngsters trying to make the move up.

It also goes back to his comment at the start of the season. When asked how does he keep 3 right wing backs happy. His answer was it's up to them to make him happy.