England Shocking! For 4-4-2 Doesn't Capello watch spurs games???

[peter123]

Looking at the threads in here I have to say that we seem to forget that Capello has been lucky (he's even got a new contract hasn't he).

These last two games really show that he hasnt worked out how to put the Jigsaw together. When I watch England I really think managers like Martin Jol and Redknapp don't get the credit they deserve. You think Capello would look at our 4-4-2 that got us to the champs league this season? Especially given he's picked Dawson, Crouch, Defoe and one of the biggest threats in Lennon?

There is another thread here about Johnson bombing wide of him which is not supporting Lennons game. It is of course nullifying his unpredicatablity. Full backs bombing forward is great, but not when your best winger ends up playing inside him.

Its widely accepted that Ashley Cole is better with Joe Cole infront of him as they have always supported eachothers game, but in a 4-4-2 Joe Cole can support the central midfielders too as we all well know here at spurs.... They are stuggling to pass the ball about and it seems crazy that cole is not in there to chip in? Instead Gerrard and Lampard are booting it from 35 yeards at every opportunity.

Its like he's playing 4-4-2 fantasy football. Doesn't he watch these players at club level?

Distribution is slow, as much as Dawson can try todo too much with spurs it just seems like we dont have a proper footballer at the back. Now im not saying that Dawson is that, but he far more comfortable than Carrragher who cannot play for toffee! He just looks so slow and laboured. Dawson in there can energise the defence and give us a bit more variation in our distribution.

I know we have had our problems upfront but surely Defoe needs to be picked alongside Crouch now with Dawson coming in? He's got to drop Lampard and give Joe Cole on the left!!!!! I'd be happy to watch Dawson lump it up to Crouch once or twice, so long as he doesnt do it too much at spurs.... we can play football!

 

[mil1lion]

The problem isn't so much the formation imo. It's a problem the England players have with Fabio Capello. They don't seem to enjoy playing for him. Maybe the cultural difference between Capello and the English players is too much.

It's similar to when Ramos came over to Spurs. He was great at Sevilla in Spain, but at Spurs the players didn't respond to him. Those sort of managers don't fit well with England players.

Redknapp gets a great reaction from his players and allows them to express themselves. I'm sure the likes of Kranjcar and Modric would love to play a more expansive formation, but they play the 4-4-2, and they play it with a smile on their face.

The fact of the matter is, if the players love playing for their manager, they'll still play well no matter what the formation. All this formal bollocks and this firm approach from Capello doesn't work with England. I think he's a top manager, but the wrong manager for England.

Just look at Diego Maradona. Everyone doubted him before the World Cup, but now he has his team together and they all love playing as a team. So it doens't matter if he doesn't get his tactics right, because the players play for him. They all celebrate with him and therr is a great spirit within the camp.

We simply don't have that with England under Fabio Capello. I'm sure under someone like Redknapp, Hodgson or even Jol, the players would play well in the same formation with England. Those are type of managers who get the best from England players, and they allow the players to express themselves.

 

[fieryjack]

They seemed to enjoy playing for him while qualifying. Bit late now, 2.5 years into the job to decide you dont like the manager. And why wait until the world cup finals?

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

I agree about Joe Cole at LM and Carragher at RB.

However Defoe and Crouch are a poor partnership and we were successful inspite of them.

I'd rather Capello takes inspiration from all the other top teams in the world who he watches and switches to a variation of a modern 4-5-1 formation.

 

[peter123]

I think Defoe and Crouch have not been on form, but they can be good together. I'd like to see Defoe play thats for sure!

 

[Houdini]

Sack Capello, and then beat up the players, Beat Rooney twice as hard!

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

I think Defoe and Crouch have not been on form, but they can be good together. I'd like to see Defoe play thats for sure!

They don't really complement each other. Neither hold the ball up, neither link up play particularly well and both have a crippling lack of movement.

Defoe has been out of form since October and has never really formed a successful partnership (at a stretch there is his time alongside Kanoute at West Ham).

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

I think Cappelo showed how poor he was yesterday by taking Lennon off and replacing him with SWP. It wasn't as if Lennon was particularly bad, when compared to everyone else. What was needed was a change of tactics rather than an identikit swap - like trying Joe Cole - but he just showed a lack of imagination.
When you think about it, it seems quite typical of the Italian style of grinding out results. Negative football, where you'd rather try not lose than try to win - certainly not the Tottenham way!

 

[peter123]

Its true I suppose Defoe hasnt formed many partnerships, but that just goes to show how good kanoute was on his day...

 

[Coyboy]

They don't really complement each other. Neither hold the ball up, neither link up play particularly well and both have a crippling lack of movement.

Defoe has been out of form since October and has never really formed a successful partnership (at a stretch there is his time alongside Kanoute at West Ham).

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Crouch is all about holding the ball up, it's what he does. If the ball is given to him on the floor or at feet level, he will do just that. He will then link up well with other players which explains why he is in the top ten for total passes, assists and attempts created for Premier League strikers.

Defoe has excellent movement bar his consistent idiosyncrasy of getting offside. It, along with a powerful shot and newly acquired upper body strength, explains why he scores.

You don't rate either but there is no need to make up stories.

 

[brasil_spur]

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Crouch is all about holding the ball up, it's what he does. If the ball is given to him on the floor or at feet level, he will do just that. He will then link up well with other players which explains why he is in the top ten for total passes, assists and attempts created for Premier League strikers.

Completely agree with this, Dan you are way off the mark on what Crouch offers as a player.

 

[kcmei]

capello actually went to many spurs games more than other teams in the EPL. He is i think trying to copy what harry does but without the ability to get the players playing that way. I think it's more of a language problem as the players i feel are not getting 100% of what capello is trying to say. If it was harry, he would just give it simple to the players and everyone will full understand their jobs on the pitch.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Crouch is all about holding the ball up, it's what he does. If the ball is given to him on the floor or at feet level, he will do just that. He will then link up well with other players which explains why he is in the top ten for total passes, assists and attempts created for Premier League strikers.

Defoe has excellent movement bar his consistent idiosyncrasy of getting offside. It, along with a powerful shot and newly acquired upper body strength, explains why he scores.

You don't rate either but there is no need to make up stories.

Crouch does have good hold up play on the ground - I'll give that. What he lacks though is the ability to hold up balls played in the air. He never manages to find space away from his marker so while he might win headers, he can never bring the ball down and instead just flicks them on to no one. It's a huge contrast to the like of Kanoute and Berbatov who would win long balls and hold on to them until support arrived.

Defoe is great at creating chances for himself. What he doesn't seem able to do though is get on the wavelength of our other players and make the runs for them to feed him. It's why our intelligent players like Berbatov, Keane and Modric have always disliked playing with him - he frustrates them because he doesn't find the space when he's not got the ball. This lack of intelligence and guile explains why Defoe only ever scores against poor sides (and he does excel at punishing them - a classic flat track bully), yet never against good defences.

 

[C0YS]

Look Capello isn't a mad man he knows what he is doing. Lets remember this is a new experience for him, he has a chance to get it right next game and a simple win gives us qualification. I personally believe we should drop Rooney for 45 mins against Slovenia, bring him on at ht and hopefully that should give him the fire in his belly he is missing.

 

[Coyboy]

Crouch is not as good as Kanoute or Berbatov no, but he is less mercurial and inconsistent so what you lose in that you make up in consistency- we may make a net loss but comparing him to technically and skillfully inferior players is unfair.

Defoe does lack that extra intelligence to excel, but he does have the ability to make intelligent runs in the box and find space. It's his use of the ball which annoys me more. Speaking of Kanoute, he had a good wavelength with him but I am not sure, I can't be, that the aforementioned players dislike playing with him. He actually looked good with Berba before Keane struck up such a great partnership and I had since preferred Keane to Defoe for the reasons you state until he went into a slump.

 

[C0YS]

Crouch does have good hold up play on the ground - I'll give that. What he lacks though is the ability to hold up balls played in the air. He never manages to find space away from his marker so while he might win headers, he can never bring the ball down and instead just flicks them on to no one. It's a huge contrast to the like of Kanoute and Berbatov who would win long balls and hold on to them until support arrived.

Defoe is great at creating chances for himself. What he doesn't seem able to do though is get on the wavelength of our other players and make the runs for them to feed him. It's why our intelligent players like Berbatov, Keane and Modric have always disliked playing with him - he frustrates them because he doesn't find the space when he's not got the ball. This lack of intelligence and guile explains why Defoe only ever scores against poor sides (and he does excel at punishing them - a classic flat track bully), yet never against good defences.

Berbatov, Keane and Modric dislike playing with him? this is new to me, spill out the beans?

People seem to forget that him and Berbatov actually had a quite successful partnership that season, before Keane turned out some incredible form.

Defoe this season has scored against Man Utd, Chelsea and scored 2 against Holland, thats not too bad if you ask me.

 

[double0]

Bottom line Rooney's been shit-to much hype, Heskey IMO hasn't been as bad as people like to think yes goals record is a disgrace but hold up and general play up fronts been good.

The 442 system hasnt worked Gerrard hasn't got the discipline to execute playing on the wings, Johnson's isn't playing with any thought and nullifies Lennons area of play. Capello has the change the system to 4231

.............James
Johnson Dawson Terry Cole
.........Gerrard Barry
....Lennon Lampard Cole
............Rooney

 

[StartingPrice]

Sack Capello, and then beat up the players, Beat Rooney twice as hard!

:rofl: +1

It isn't rocket science.

Play one defensive midfielder = Barry.
Play one offensive midfielder = Gerrard or Lampard.
Play Lennon on the right, as he is a right-winger.
Play a left-winger (or left-sided player) on the left = Joe Cole:shrug:

I really believed that all of this playing Lampard and gerrard 'cos they are both so good and can't be left out thang had been left behind with Steve 'Wooden Mardi-Gras Clown Head, Mr Punch' MacLaren. I honestly thought that Capello had the bollocks to tell either one of Lampard and Gerrard that they would have to sit on the bench. Seemingly, I was wrong.

 

[peter123]

:rofl: +1

It isn't rocket science.

Play one defensive midfielder = Barry.
Play one offensive midfielder = Gerrard or Lampard.
Play Lennon on the right, as he is a right-winger.
Play a left-winger (or left-sided player) on the left = Joe Cole:shrug:

I really believed that all of this playing Lampard and gerrard 'cos they are both so good and can't be left out thang had been left behind with Steve 'Wooden Mardi-Gras Clown Head, Mr Punch' MacLaren. I honestly thought that Capello had the bollocks to tell either one of Lampard and Gerrard that they would have to sit on the bench. Seemingly, I was wrong.

Exactly, maybe just to add to that give Johnson a video of Corluka, and tell him to copy!

 

[shelfsideyid]

Think back to Capello's arrival, who arrived promising a strict regime, a cast iron track record of success, to pick players on form and a departure from Sven/Mclaren where certain players were guarenteed starters.

It seemed he was the perfect choice having shown his ability to mould a winning side, and his handling of Beckham at Madrid not only showed he would drop any player despite reputation, but that he was big enough to be proven wrong when Beck's proved his worth and was bought back into the 11.

All seemed rosy as we coasted through qualifying, and finally we all thought we had the right man to lead our 'Golden Generation'

But................

It now seems Fabio has morphed into Sven and can't see past the ol' favourites. We're back to the days of the England side being a closed shop, and back to squad players being frozen out and given no inclination that they can force their way into the side.

After ruthlessly cutting Walcott (we're told for ignoring an order) ignoring J.Cole totally and dropping Green for a single error, it seemed that the spectre of Fabio is hanging over the whole side & on the evidence of Fridays game, the fear of upsetting Capello is outweighing the instict to play inventive & attacking football.:shrug: