does parker bid show a lack of ambition??...

[Spurger King]

If Harry wants a player who has played in the prem, S Ireland to my mind would be a much better buy than some tosser who has turned us down twice

Agree 100%

 

[Azrael]

:duh:

Are you playing devil's advocate or do you genuinely feel that Redknapp should not be given the opportunity to work upon a platform that he earnt?

Where did I say he shouldn't be given the platform? Based on where he has come so far he should. My point is that it is moronic to assume that because he has brought us this far he must already have all the skill we need to egt to the top. Thats a foolish attitude. Benitez was better than Ramos, but that doesn't mean Benitez could take the bin dippers to the top, as we ended up seeing.

All I am saying is that there may come a time when Redknapp will come under question, and should that ever happen we should not let loyalty get in the way of doing what we need to to get us to the top.

Fortunately, Levy already understands this.

 

[SpurSince57]

If Harry wants a player who has played in the prem, S Ireland to my mind would be a much better buy than some tosser who has turned us down twice

So, you're doing a job and someone rolls up and says to you, 'I'll pay you twice what you're getting now for the same type and amount of work.' What are you going to do? Blow them out? Of course you aren't, unless you're some kind of nutter. Why should footballers be any different?

 

[StartingPrice]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I feel that in order to make your point you are putting aside already established fact.

1) Redknapp is not proven in building a squad at this level. It simply cannot be argued that he is because he has not managed at this level, so right away he is now in the zone of inexperience.

2) Redknapp's record quite simply favours prem players. That cannot be argued. Its just the way it is. His historical signings have had that written all over it. Yes he has signed foreign players, but his track record clearly indicates a favouritism......whereas his track record does not indicate the discorvering of top foreign talent on a regular basis such as a Ferguson or Wenger has. It is therefore a more than reasoable conjecture that Redknapp would not have signed some of the players we currentoy have, and that his track record is such that some concern justified, with the burden being on Redknapp to prove us wrong.

3) Arneson was leagues above Commolli. That much was so damned obvious. If Commoilli were in any other job would he be given so much credit? He made some real stinker signings and you simply aren't doing your job properly when you make signings against the wishes of the head coach.



You know, the biggest problem with all of this is the fact that because Harry has gotten us into the CL, all of a sudden his shit doesn't stink. Well, reality doesn't work like that. He may be good enough to get us where we are today. But the attitude that by default he is the man to win us the league, or even keep us in the CL, is laughable. People are entitled to express reservation. Hell, if you need anymore proof of this just look at hour Levy behaves. BNJ was deemed good enough to get us top 5, bt not good enough for top 4 so he sacked him. Why does the same principle not apply to Harold? What is Top 4 is as far as he can take us? It is at least something that is not undebatable.

1) Okay. I'm confused. That would be an impossibility, so I wouldn't claim it. I don't recall claiming it anywhere. What's your point?;

2) Does it. Could someone actually put a list together of all of the players 'Arry hired for the Spammerd and for Portsmouth, showing just how many foreign payers he bought, how many EPL players he bought, and how many homegrown payers came through the ranks, and then do the same for a selection of EPL managers to see if this accusation holds up. And bear in mind the higher up your go, status wisse, the easier it is to atract talent worth attracting from overseas - so make it waited for that. Otherwise, it just looks like this is a claim asserted from 'the dark'. And could we also consider thatm,with all of this talk of balancing squads, maybe 'Arry has just been better at getting the mix right. Therefore, for lack of proof, no I do not accept that as a reasonable conjecture, I consider it to be a subjective imposition of what a reasonable conjecture might be;

3) Why is it so damned obvious:shrug: Look, I have acknowledged that our upturn began with the hiring of Arnesen...so, obviously he had an impact. And I am prepared to consider the possibility that the level of signings he made may have upscaled, for want of a better word, if we had continued to progress on the pitch. But lists have been provided, above, and elsewhere of players that Arnesen brought in and players that Comolli brought in, and there is absolutely no doubt that Comolli acquired some super players for us. In fact, I doubt there are many players that Arnesen brought in who would make a 'Comlli' 11. Bear in mind that I, myself, have highlighted areas where Comlli didn't strengthen the squad. But the simple truth is that Comolli was judged and found wanting over his insistence on the hiring of Wandery Ramos...those who had a gripe with the players he brought in conveniently forget that (just as they forget the exceptional level of talent that is at WHL at this precise moment due to Comolli. So, no, it is not damned obvious...in fact I refute your claim completely.

And as for the blurb at the end...I think you are confusing me for someone else. I always discuss cons as well as pros, in arguments, characters, etc. I have never said 'Arry never makes a mistake. In fact I go out of my way all of the time to point out that no-one is 100% great or 100% crap, no-one is denude of plus points to balance out the minus, and that everyone makes mistakes as well as good calls. So what is that all about? I just happen to disagree with certain (though not all of DWALLACE's post). And what is funny is that you disagree with more of it than I do, apparently, you have just tried to twistmy post into something it wasn't...which is a taodying affirmation of everything Mr Redknapp has ever done...I just happen to think that, pound-for-pound, he has pretty much got everything right in the transfer market so far (within the bounds that he has to operate, i.e. he isn't a failure 'cos he didn't sign Messi). Please, next time you want to give a cod-philosophy lesson find someone that needs it.

 

[spursandbarca]

15 million for someone to warm the bench and isnt even a england regular???

can we not find someone from spain or italy cheaper

 

[SpurSince57]

15 million for someone to warm the bench and isnt even a england regular???

can we not find someone from spain or italy cheaper

Where did the £15m come from?

 

[AngerManagement]

15 million for someone to warm the bench and isnt even a england regular???

can we not find someone from spain or italy cheaper

I don't think there is any chance we would sanction a move for him for anything like 15m. I would say 6m max, I think with West Ham's stance on this player, unless he forces a move I simply do not see it happening anyway.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Where did the £15m come from?

Don't worry...the make believe figure is coming down slowly. It was 20m earlier.

 

[Spurger King]

So, you're doing a job and someone rolls up and says to you, 'I'll pay you twice what you're getting now for the same type and amount of work.' What are you going to do? Blow them out? Of course you aren't, unless you're some kind of nutter. Why should footballers be any different?

I see you're focussing on the "turned us down twice" element of that post.

I understand what you mean from a business point of view, even from a player point of view, but football isn't exactly the same as most industries.

For a start, most companies don't have millions of fans all over the world investing emotion, time and money into following their progress. You can't really apply the normal rules of financial incentive to football (though I agree from the point of view of the player, it is a reasonable issue for them to consider).

For me, being a football supporter is a sort of leap of faith into the irrational. Owners, managers, players change...but I still support the team. The name and colours of the team kit have changed since the dawn of Hotspurs, and sooner or later the stadium will change as well, but I'll still support Tottenham, even if it is only the name that links the current side to the teams of the past. Football is an irrational activity for all involved.

To expect fans to discard their enthusiasm for their side, in order to understand the (rational) motives of individuals caught up in this unusual entertainment is very optimistic.

Yes I'm unreasonable. Yes I'm fickle. Yes I expect the world from our players, and take it personally if a player/manager/ref/fan acts in any way that is negative towards my team. Yes I have unreasonable expectations that our players want to play for the club, and yes I feel involved in every win, defeat or draw.

Do I apologise for such irrational expectations? Hell no. This is football.

 

[brett.spurs]

I'm afraid to think about who we'll aim to sign if we don't manage to get Parker Eek

 

[SpurSince57]

You know, the biggest problem with all of this is the fact that because Harry has gotten us into the CL, all of a sudden his shit doesn't stink. Well, reality doesn't work like that. He may be good enough to get us where we are today. But the attitude that by default he is the man to win us the league, or even keep us in the CL, is laughable. People are entitled to express reservation. Hell, if you need anymore proof of this just look at hour Levy behaves. BNJ was deemed good enough to get us top 5, bt not good enough for top 4 so he sacked him. Why does the same principle not apply to Harold? What is Top 4 is as far as he can take us? It is at least something that is not undebatable.

Well, we simply don't know, do we? It's surely reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt, though. If we get through the qualifier and then fail to see off Barça or Inter, are we going to see demands for Harry's head?

One hopes Levy has finally learned his lesson; Jol couldn't 'take us to the next level' with what Comolli claimed was a top four squad, so when the Manchego Munchkin got in touch and said, 'I could do that. Gissa job' we gave him one. He then proceeded to dismantle the 'top four' squad, spend almost as much in two windows as Jol was allowed in six (and it would have been even more if we'd got Random's other targets), and, er, fuck up on a mammoth scale.

When we had ITK that fat **** Paul 'Oh no, what's happened to all my money?' Kemsley wanted Jol out and Harry in I was pretty dubious. When we were floundering at the bottom of the table in October 2008 I'd have taken Shirley Temple as manager rather than Random. So would the whole squad, it seems.

 

[bryanabutler]

So, you're doing a job and someone rolls up and says to you, 'I'll pay you twice what you're getting now for the same type and amount of work.' What are you going to do? Blow them out? Of course you aren't, unless you're some kind of nutter. Why should footballers be any different?

Yes i agree with your part about getting double the money, but i just feel Ireland would be a much better buy, what does your brother in law think of Ireland

 

[Samson]

Well, we simply don't know, do we? It's surely reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt, though. If we get through the qualifier and then fail to see off Barça or Inter, are we going to see demands for Harry's head?

One hopes Levy has finally learned his lesson; Jol couldn't 'take us to the next level' with what Comolli claimed was a top four squad, so when the Manchego Munchkin got in touch and said, 'I could do that. Gissa job' we gave him one. He then proceeded to dismantle the 'top four' squad, spend almost as much in two windows as Jol was allowed in six (and it would have been even more if we'd got Random's other targets), and, er, fuck up on a mammoth scale.

When we had ITK that fat **** Paul 'Oh no, what's happened to all my money?' Kemsley wanted Jol out and Harry in I was pretty dubious. When we were floundering at the bottom of the table in October 2008 I'd have taken Shirley Temple as manager rather than Random. So would the whole squad, it seems.

I'd be very loath to swap managers. Harry is a great Premiership manager, and ultimately we need to do well in the Premiership to meet people's aspirations for Europe. He's perfectly capable of good runs in the CL, too.

I'm not convinced that we need more mid-level English players, though, and I'm not surprised that a lot of people feel the same. But the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

 

[THOWIG]

Everyday Im amazed by threads I read on here.

The vast majority of people on here have never really seen Ozil play, have seen even less of Turan and certainly haven't seen Dzeko cause people always have him as the sole striker.

I'm the pickiest of people when it comes to players, but in all honesty three players that would enhance our squad at present would be Parker, Bellamy and Doyle. I'm not saying these would be my number one choices, but they are all solid good players.

Sandro will not play that often next season and If we lose Palacios we are in trouble. If we want to bring on a player to break up the play what are our options?

 

[Spurger King]

Everyday Im amazed by threads I read on here.

The vast majority of people on here have never really seen Ozil play, have seen even less of Turan and certainly haven't seen Dzeko cause people always have him as the sole striker.

I'm the pickiest of people when it comes to players, but in all honesty three players that would enhance our squad at present would be Parker, Bellamy and Doyle. I'm not saying these would be my number one choices, but they are all solid good players.

Sandro will not play that often next season and If we lose Palacios we are in trouble. If we want to bring on a player to break up the play what are our options?

Good post, and I agree for the most part. I've seen hardly anything of Turan or Dzeko so haven't speculated one way or another on those two. I'm sure plenty on here have seen enough to form opinions, but most will probably be caught up in optimism and hype.

Not sure about Sandro though. Quite a few people seem to think he won't play much of a role next season, and I don't see why. He'll be hitting the ground running as far as competitive football goes (leaving Inter for Spurs as soon as they are no longer in competition), and he's 21. PLus the league he's playing in deserves a bit more respect than most give it.

Doing well as a defensive midfielder in the hotbed of creative football is nothing to be sniffed at.

 

[eddiev14]

Parker would be a good buy for anything less than £5m. The problem is that he has 3 years left on his deal and, after what he said today, Sullivan would look idiotic if they didn't sell for higher that £15m.

No matter how good he was last season, he doesn't have the best injury record and, for a 'energetic' midfielder who is 29 years old, he won't maintain that level for too much longer. As a result, a deal at that price would represent shocking value for money.

It's a non-starter this one. My initial thought was that it was used to divert the attention of the press elsewhere whilst we attempt to do another deal, but maybe that's just fantasy.

 

[THOWIG]

The biggest adjustment for Sandro will be to the pace of the Premiership and the restriction of space.
I hope he does play more often, but he must be given time.

 

[THOWIG]

An alternative option to Parker in the Premiership would be Diame.

 

[redemptions.son]

Two very good posts above and I can't believe this thread started turning towards discussing the dismissal of Harry. I didn't want him in when he was appointed - didn't really like the bloke and he pissed me off the way he spoke freely about other clubs players. Now I pretty much love the fella. He has succeeded beyond general expectations in his time here - when you find an employee (sorry to sound all businesslike) like that you keep them until something changes.

I wasn't particularly excited about signing Crouchie, Gudjohnsen, Kaboul, Bassong etc - they weren't the players that we all wanted above everyone else because they weren't the glamour names or the most expensive etc. They helped get us 4th so Harry obviously knows what's needed doesn't he?

I'm not excited by the prospect of Parker and I can't see how he would fit in unless it means that Modric is our first choice left midfielder again. That would leave Palacios, Huddlestone, Parker and Sandro (plus JJ or O'Hara if either stay) fighting for central midfield and Modric and Kranjcar on the left. That would then also mean that Bale will primarily be left back. If we get him then Harry must think that he's an upgrade on Jenas - I'd probably agree.

One outfield signing and we will know more how our squad will shape up and what Harry's thoughts are for next season - time will tell! Sorry, I need to learn how to cut the length of my posts down

 

[redemptions.son]

Sorry guys - meant THOWIG and Spurger King further up - took too long!