Do Arseanal play the way we expect to be playing one day?

[DOX]

First of all, I'm quite pleased with the result. And the "sit back and counter-attack" approach had an indubitably much more desired outcome considering last season's results against the top sides. However it did surprise me as Poch's style at Southampton (and Spurs' match against QPR) was attacking EVERYTHING ANYTIME. Will be interesting to see how he chooses to set up Spurs against Southampton...

 

[mil1lion]

I thought Arsenal played a bit like we have in previous games. Dominate play, plenty of attacking intent but lacking in end product. We played the way teams often do when they come to the Lane, sit back, defend in numbers and hit them on the counter attack.

I expect a completely different approach in the home game against them. I think it's normal for a lot of teams to approach an away game against one of the top teams in the same way. We've been guilty in the past of being too open at the Emirates and they've rolled us over. We played with much better discipline this time and but for a lucky equaliser we would have come away with 3 points. How often have we seen a Jose Mourinho team do that away to a team like Arsenal?

I don't think we're as far behind Arsenal with our approach as people think. I would say 2 top class attackers and an all round midfielder short. Where they're so strong in creative players we have more grit in the heart of midfield. Arteta as the sitting midfielder would have me highly concerned that's for sure.

 

[ralvy]

Poch outright said that the game plan was to sit deep and break.

So? Im not debating that. What Im pointing out is that, when we were in possession of the ball, we were neither playing a pacy counterattacking game or a passing game. Im not exactly sure what was our intention, bur the likes of Lamela, Adebayo, Capoue, etc, seemed more intent in attempting unsuccessful dribbles that in associating with their team mates.

So Im not sure what the end game is anymore. Is Pochetino's intention to get us playing a high pressing passing game, a fast counterattacking game or something else? I haven't being able to see signs of either since the Liverpool game, though against QPR it did looked like we were leaning more towards a tiki taka style.

 

[ralvy]

Simple answer - No

We haven't got a clear style at the moment but the early signs are positive that it's moving in the right direction (even if results haven't been that good so far).

I think our style will be more suited to Borussia Dortmund with quick incisive counter attacks and moving the ball forward quickly rather than the constant probing ball circulation of Arsenal.

This article from last year is worth a quick 5min read if you're not familiar with Klopps style - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ical-mind-of-borussia-dortmunds-juergen-klopp

I would love it if Pochetino could eventually make us play somewhat like Klopp has Dormunt playing for the past few years, but I haven't seen any signs of that so far. What have you seen that makes you think that's the direction we're heading?

 

[ralvy]

What? Be totally toothless against teams that sit deep, you mean? We already do that

Though now we have discovered a way to cheat the goal-line technology, maybe we could take advantage of that more

I don't agree that Arsenal were "totally toothless" against us, its just that both Lloris and Kaboul were outstanding that day. Had it not been for them we would be feeling right now like we did last season after the games against Liverpool and City.

 

[spurs9]

I would love it if Pochetino could eventually make us play somewhat like Klopp has Dormunt playing for the past few years, but I haven't seen any signs of that so far. What have you seen that makes you think that's the direction we're heading?

Klopp didn't get Dortmund playing that way in 6 games. In fact, they finished 6th & 5th in their first 2 seasons, then 1st in their 3rd.

 

[ralvy]

Klopp didn't get Dortmund playing that way in 6 games. In fact, they finished 6th & 5th in their first 2 seasons, then 1st in their 3rd.

Don't get me wrong, this was intended to be an Anti Poch thread. I want Levy to stick with him for at least the next 3 years, he needs to give him enough time to build something.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

We should expect nothing this season, other than seeing the new style of play start to take effect as the season progresses. I think Poch' is going to be fairly cautious in his tactical approach vs the better sides until he feels the team can implement a full on pressing, passing & attacking game. From what i've seen so far, I agree with his approach because when the opportunity has been there (West Brom) to play a more attacking & pressing game, some of the players just don't geddit.

Time and patience. Which is something that Wenger has had a lot of.

 

[Shea]

They played great football in the unbeatable era

They still have good movement but they're penetration is not as good as it used to be

Personally I prefer the way Dortmund play and they way Munich played the year before Pep took over

Not trying to emulate a team who have only one an FA cup against Hull in the last 10 years

 

[Armstrong_11]

personally.... i think we need more time practicing defending and attacking from dead ball positions.


not 100% sure a high pressing is the right way to go, its ok for teams like Southampton who play 1 match a week, but we have 2 big matches every week, we need consistency

 

[aliyid]

What have you seen that makes you think that's the direction we're heading?

Mainly from interviews with players & Poch but also from our shape during pre-season with a focus on pressure high up the field and an intent to move the ball foward quickly before defences get back into shape.

I see this as an attempt to implement a higher tempo agressive style rather than the passive 'maintain possession and wait for a mistake' style of AVB / Wenger.

Whether we have the players to implement this style effectively is a whole other story but I'm happy with early signs.

 

[m*****73]

Spurs under Pochettino are a poor man's Athletico Madrid. Half court press, conceding territory and possession to even inferior opponents and hoping to catch them with quick 2-3 pass moves. It worked for him for a while with Espanyol. Same trick worked OK at Southampton in his first season, then other manager's figured him out.

He has nowhere near the pedigree of Koeman or DeBoer, but that won't stop people on here openly day-dreaming about how we've somehow landed the next Pep Guardiola. Remind me again, how many other clubs were in for Poch?

This is Tottenham under Daniel Levy. 19 consecutive seasons behind Arsenal. Soon to be seen playing home games at Milton Keynes (which is nearer to Coventry than N17). And somehow thought to be worth £1bn?!?! Not even in Monopoly money.

 

[thinktank]

Spurs under Pochettino are a poor man's Athletico Madrid. Half court press, conceding territory and possession to even inferior opponents and hoping to catch them with quick 2-3 pass moves. It worked for him for a while with Espanyol. Same trick worked OK at Southampton in his first season, then other manager's figured him out.

He has nowhere near the pedigree of Koeman or DeBoer, but that won't stop people on here openly day-dreaming about how we've somehow landed the next Pep Guardiola. Remind me again, how many other clubs were in for Poch?

This is Tottenham under Daniel Levy. 19 consecutive seasons behind Arsenal. Soon to be seen playing home games at Milton Keynes (which is nearer to Coventry than N17). And somehow thought to be worth £1bn?!?! Not even in Monopoly money.

He's been here all of two minutes ffs....

Thank God you're not running the show, we'd have a new manager every 2 months!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Let's not pay too much attention to what happened Saturday. I'm pretty sure that that is not Pochettino's normal philosophy and we won't be turning into Palace any time soon.

No matter what some are saying, I doubt very much he was happy with a lot of what he saw saturday, even with a more pragmatic game plan.

If he ever tries this approach again I hope he gets all 10 outfield players way more coordinated. But I think his aim, long term, is to get us playing a more possession based, high press, quick transition type game. More Dortmund than Barca.

 

[Spurger King]

Let's not pay too much attention to what happened Saturday.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

Arse will never, have never played the way we are supposed to.

The nearest they get to push and run is Rolf Wenger Harris on a friday night after youth training