Dele Alli at Everton

[Japhet]

Kane, Moura (or upgrade) and Son are best as 3 up front like Liverpool, playing Alli also as a 10 is suicidal against good teams especially when you don't have a proper DM.

I'm not convinced he can play in a 4-3-3 which would be my favoured formation but would love to be wrong as I'm a huge fan. If we play 4-2-3-1 when he is perfect as the CAM as long as we have a proper foundation behind him but this doesn't get the best out of Sonny or Moura.

If we go 4231 v Liverpool we'll get torn to shreds IMO. If we go 433 we mirror them but they have better (more in form) players everywhere. I can see an argument for turning back the clock and going 442 for this to plug the gaps we've been leaving all over the pitch for months.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Rewatching Allis first 50 goals for Spurs.


3/50 goals is outside the box, and they are all the same. He doesn’t have a shot on him, or a pass. He never pass to someone and get it back to score. Such a worry

47/50 goals is inside the box.

Watching it again we really do miss Walker - oh my god.

And we miss Eriksen so badly playing in the front 4 - and not the Brazilian Theo Walcott, you listening Jose.

Half of Allis goals come from Eriksen/Walker or the right back.

It’s clear as night and day that when we’re not firing as a squad Alli is really letting the team down.

 

[dontcallme]

Rewatching Allis first 50 goals for Spurs.


3/50 goals is outside the box, and they are all the same. He doesn’t have a shot on him, or a pass. He never pass to someone and get it back to score. Such a worry

47/50 goals is inside the box.

Watching it again we really do miss Walker - oh my god.

And we miss Eriksen so badly playing in the front 4 - and not the Brazilian Theo Walcott, you listening Jose.

Half of Allis goals come from Eriksen/Walker or the right back.

It’s clear as night and day that when we’re not firing as a squad Alli is really letting the team down.

Interesting thoughts.

Essentially we have some talented players but getting the blend right is something we have struggled with. I feel the loss of Kyle Walker and Wanyama and Demebele has hit us very hard.

We had 2 wing backs who ran up and down tirelessly and two very physical central midfielders protecting the defence and allowing the attacking players to focus on getting forward.

Without that we look a mess.

Alli has always had his limitations but right now his strengths won't be used sufficiently.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Interesting thoughts.

Essentially we have some talented players but getting the blend right is something we have struggled with. I feel the loss of Kyle Walker and Wanyama and Demebele has hit us very hard.

We had 2 wing backs who ran up and down tirelessly and two very physical central midfielders protecting the defence and allowing the attacking players to focus on getting forward.

Without that we look a mess.

Alli has always had his limitations but right now his strengths won't be used sufficiently.

This.

For Alli to work in our squad we must have world class DM and 8 and on top of that we must have another attacking player who’s a playmaker.

Essentially it would be:

A lightning quick RB (class)
Ndombele - New world class 50m+ DM
Lo Celso with the freedom to cut inside and playmaker like Eriksen - Alli, with clear instructions off and on the ball (do it simple) - Son
Kane​

 

[Kiedis]

Rewatching Allis first 50 goals for Spurs.


3/50 goals is outside the box, and they are all the same. He doesn’t have a shot on him, or a pass. He never pass to someone and get it back to score. Such a worry

47/50 goals is inside the box.

Watching it again we really do miss Walker - oh my god.

And we miss Eriksen so badly playing in the front 4 - and not the Brazilian Theo Walcott, you listening Jose.

Half of Allis goals come from Eriksen/Walker or the right back.

It’s clear as night and day that when we’re not firing as a squad Alli is really letting the team down.

He very clearly has an eye for a creative pass, as shown by the number of assists he has and the number of chances he's created in his time with us. I would obviously have liked him to be less sloppy in possession and keep the constant heel flicks at a minimum.

I just think it's strange that he's digged out so much in a period where we're so incapable of getting the ball to our attackers in good positions. All our attackers suffer under these conditions.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

He very clearly has an eye for a creative pass, as shown by the number of assists he has and the number of chances he's created in his time with us. I would obviously have liked him to be less sloppy in possession and keep the constant heel flicks at a minimum.

I just think it's strange that he's digged out so much in a period where we're so incapable of getting the ball to our attackers in good positions. All our attackers suffer under these conditions.

Have you ever seen a pass of more than 10 yards from Alli? Not many is there. You know why, he don’t have the technical abaility to make a long pass.

Not strange at all he is digged out. Remember Jose is playing him as our number 10. He’s the one who shouldn’t lose the ball, and be the creative one.

 

[dtxspurs]

Rewatching Allis first 50 goals for Spurs.


3/50 goals is outside the box, and they are all the same. He doesn’t have a shot on him, or a pass. He never pass to someone and get it back to score. Such a worry

47/50 goals is inside the box.

Watching it again we really do miss Walker - oh my god.

And we miss Eriksen so badly playing in the front 4 - and not the Brazilian Theo Walcott, you listening Jose.

Half of Allis goals come from Eriksen/Walker or the right back.

It’s clear as night and day that when we’re not firing as a squad Alli is really letting the team down.

Walkers offensive contributions are so ridiculously underrated on here. He was a monster on both offense and defense.

 

[Japhet]

He very clearly has an eye for a creative pass, as shown by the number of assists he has and the number of chances he's created in his time with us. I would obviously have liked him to be less sloppy in possession and keep the constant heel flicks at a minimum.

I just think it's strange that he's digged out so much in a period where we're so incapable of getting the ball to our attackers in good positions. All our attackers suffer under these conditions.

Part of the problem is that our attackers spend too much time standing still with their thumbs up their arses. Our movement up front at times is non existent.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Walkers offensive contributions are so ridiculously underrated on here. He was a monster on both offense and defense.

Nah. Athletically he is monster - he could get us up the pitch quickly but most of the time he wiggled his foot around the ball and just stopped and passed the ball inside. But a bug bear many had with him was he lacked the technical ability to cross the ball on the run which ended up slowing many of our fast breaks as he would just stop and pass the ball to the nearest man.

I miss his athleticism but technically he is pretty average.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

I was just defending our own player on a rival forum. And to be fair, that was 18 months ago, and since then he's been consistently poor. If we were all held to account on opinions we had of players 18 months ago we could all look stupid, and that goes for actual professional football managers. I admire the effort you go to though, really quite special.

And yet you fail to heed your own lesson.

By saying Alli is toilet..will never be good enough..won't win anything with him...must be sold..and that Winks..will only ever be at Tom Carroll's level - you are quite happy to rule out any possibility that over the next 18 months these 23 year olds might recover the previous form which we've all seen, and maybe even improve some more.

What were Liverpool fans saying about TAA, Henderson, Matip, 18 months / 2 years ago. Look at them now.

I just don't buy into this scorched earth approach to rebuilding the squad.

It all comes across as more of a tantrum than a strategy. We've lost a bit of our status and prestige, so burn it all to the ground and start again.

I appreciate your passion but why not upgrade our glaring weaknesses in the XI first, which we all know - allow Mourinho a pre-season to build his team, hopefully better manage Alli Winks and Kane's recurring injuries with better / more reliable depth, and THEN decide before completely writing them off?

 

[heelspurs]

So we have

Aurier
Sissoko
Vertonghen
Rose
Toby
Dier
Winks
Lamela
Ndombele
Lo Celso
Sanchez
Foyth
Eriksen
Gazzaniga
And probably more
And now Dele.

All of whom at various points have taken their turn in the SC spotlight of doom.

Spot the pattern.

And now we're actually getting people suggest we should sell him. The rebuild is going to be unprecedented if SC has its way.

We still have some excellent footballers and Dele is one of them, he is absolutely one of the players we should retain. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see this.

This is your opinion but in my opinion you are wrong. And you can't back any of this up beyond decreeing it. And if you keep doing what you always done you will continue to get what you've always gotten. Our attack has been and continues to be awful and he is a major part of the problem. Keep including him and we will keep being awful.

Feel free to support your argument for Dele's continued inclusion with facts or reason. You won't be able to. Notice how England are so much more free and fluid without his MF stylings ruining everything they do and clogging space for others? He'll have a lot of time this summer to get back in form. Hopefully he shows that 'form' for another team next season and we get in a real player to perform consistent football things like controlling a ball and accurately passing it 5 yards.

But you're right, it's all bias and mob mentality derived from the senseless.

 

[heelspurs]

Dele is a baller too, that flick pass assist for Moura to get the winning goal against Ajax was poetic. I don’t think nobody else in our squad would be capable

Nonsense. That pass wasn't even meant for Moura it was meant for Llorente. Some folks could see that in real time. Others should have seen it on replay. All should know that by now.

https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/players/what-danny-rose-said-pochettino-16357060

Perhaps that's why you think Dele is awesome. If you keep attributing everything good in the world to him it would be hard to see him as what he is.

 

[yido_number1]

Played Alli too much recently and he needs a rest again. We are gonna blow his hamstrings again soon .

 

[heelspurs]

Dele is being type cast to one position which is a bit unfair , he can play off the left in 433 or one of the central midfield players. At a push he could play as a false striker. Imo he is a very flexible player .

Can he fit on the bench? How about in an Uber to another club? I imagine with some yoga work and continued form he will fit nicely into some mid-table side like Palace. Can't wait.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Feel free to support your argument for Dele's continued inclusion with facts or reason. You won't be able to.

I'm pretty sure, no I'm positive that I haven't been arguing for his 'continued inclusion', although now you mention it even though he blows hot and cold at times, I'd keep him in the team.

The point I'm making (and you so spectacularly missed) is that he is not as bad a player as a few people persist in suggesting and in fact a much better player than those same persons want to give him credit for. Also that he shouldn't be sold and we'd do well to keep him.

 

[heelspurs]

I'm pretty sure, no I'm positive that I haven't been arguing for his 'continued inclusion' although I'm not against that happening. Form is a temporary thing and that works both ways.

The point I'm making (and you so spectacularly missed) is that he is not as bad a player as a few people persist in suggesting and in fact a much better player than those same persons want to give him credit for. That he shouldn't be sold and we'd do well to keep him.

Feel free to make up something else. Actually don't, I know what I have been arguing and its blatantly obvious you don't.

So feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't arguing to "keep him" imply a player's inclusion? Or are you arguing that we "keep him" but solidly park the heretofore omnipresent player on the bench? Is that your take? How Orwellian of you A&C. I can get behind that one. Folks, we are 'keeping' Dele which apparently means we aren't giving him a squad number unless we have to for contractual purposes. If he must be included in the matchday squad through injury or suspension he will not be afforded boots or shinpads lest the specter of inclusion raise it's ugly head. I can get behind that compromise.

Otherwise this most recent take could be seen as disingenuously serving to deflect focus from my direct appeal to defend your statements of his "better player" qualities for which he should be credited with facts and reason...and not just sternly stated opinion. You can't just say 'he's good and that's it'. Which is essentially what you've done...because it's essentially all you have in defense of this tenuous position. His 'form' has been on display for 5 years but folks have been seduced by stats not his actual play.

And I "spectacularly miss" nothing.

Feel free to make an argument (with facts and reason) for 'keeping' Dele. I would love to hear it...and also pick it apart. @Primativ has solidly argued as to why he feels Dele should be dropped (or more). Sure, he's made hyperbolic statements (that you've belittled him for) but it's hard to be heard in the echo chamber. You could address those points directly (nope, you played the man). No one in support of Dele's inclusion has thus far. That's because they are factually based, damn solid points leading to reasonable conclusions and folks don't like admitting the reality before their very eyes.

#WeAre'keeping'Dele

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

So feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't arguing to "keep him" imply a player's inclusion? Or are you arguing that we "keep him" but solidly park the heretofore omnipresent player on the bench? Is that your take? How Orwellian of you A&C. I can get behind that one. Folks, we are 'keeping' Dele which apparently means we aren't giving him a squad number unless we have to for contractual purposes. If he must be included in the matchday squad through injury or suspension he will not be afforded boots or shinpads lest the specter of inclusion raise it's ugly head. I can get behind that compromise.

Otherwise this most recent take could be seen as disingenuously serving to deflect focus from my direct appeal to defend your statements of his "better player" qualities for which he should be credited with facts and reason...and not just sternly stated opinion. You can't just say 'he's good and that's it'. Which is essentially what you've done...because it's essentially all you have in defense of this tenuous position. His 'form' has been on display for 5 years but folks have been seduced by stats not his actual play.

And I "spectacularly miss" nothing.

Feel free to make an argument (with facts and reason) for 'keeping' Dele. I would love to hear it...and also pick it apart. @Primativ has solidly argued as to why he feels Dele should be dropped (or more). Sure, he's made hyperbolic statements (that you've belittled him for) but it's hard to be heard in the echo chamber. You could address those points directly (nope, you played the man). No one in support of Dele's inclusion has thus far. That's because they are factually based, damn solid points leading to reasonable conclusions and folks don't like admitting the reality before their very eyes.

#WeAre'keeping'Dele

Ok then........

 

[double0]

Nonsense. That pass wasn't even meant for Moura it was meant for Llorente. Some folks could see that in real time. Others should have seen it on replay. All should know that by now.

https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/players/what-danny-rose-said-pochettino-16357060

Perhaps that's why you think Dele is awesome. If you keep attributing everything good in the world to him it would be hard to see him as what he is.

"if you keep attributing everything good in the world to him"

What are you on about?

Oh and you think that flick was for Llorente.... wow!

I guess you don't see any good in what he does.

 

[double0]

Can he fit on the bench? How about in an Uber to another club? I imagine with some yoga work and continued form he will fit nicely into some mid-table side like Palace. Can't wait.

unfortunately it seems you don't appreciate talent. I guess you're a steady eddy type person. Dele says hi!

 

[heelspurs]

Ok then........

Solid reply. Just so that we are clear you cannot back your defense of Dele with anything other than easily shot down opinion and emojis, right? Didn't think so. Thanks for taking advantage of the opportunity to straighten us out. The senseless of us often believe that if you cannot support a position with facts and reason then perhaps you've taken a wrong position. Then again we are senseless so who knows.