Controversial handball rules ‘to be softened’ in Premier League after outrage over recent penalties awarded

[Russ1201]

Yep! I expect a United player to handle it in the box on Sunday then and it not be given as a pen

Could i winner this 5x thats a certainty.

 

[14/04/91]

The laws only say that, and can only be interpreted like that if you miss out the whole first section, and the line except for your the above offences

I hadn't seen that part. I guess they've viewed his arm being above/beyond shoulder level. Even that's close though.

 

[yiddopaul]

It states clearly that it doesn't matter if your arm is raised above your head. It's a penalty, regardless of intent. So even with the new leniency rule, Dier's handball would have stood.

I get that. The point being, it's a ridiculous rule. As with anything in life, intent is everything. A penalty is exactly that, someone is being penalised/punished for attempting to cheat/unlawfully gain advantage. Dier did neither. By the book, yes, it was a penalty. Even the usually biased media, were in uproar about it.

 

[PaulM]

Needs more than softening. I don’t see why we can’t bin it altogether, go back to deliberate or accidental and allow referees to actually make a decision based on their judgement.

If they want to use VAR to get a closer look at it again then fine.

I actually fully agree with this. It's the only way to do it for my money. But it involves giving the ref some leeway and allowing some subjectivity into the decision.

The problem with that is that every week, you'll have SKY, BT and BBC scrutinising decisions and complaining about lack of consistency from refs because this week Mike Dean will give a penalty that Jon Moss didn't give last week. And the refs get pilloried weekly on national and international tv.

The rule as it is, is absolutely dumb and will result in a load of penalties. But, and this won't be popular, ill-conceived as it is I can see the logic behind it. You can't blame the rule anymore - it's crystal clear what handball is now.

 

[wpmcg]

I get that. The point being, it's a ridiculous rule. As with anything in life, intent is everything. A penalty is exactly that, someone is being penalised/punished for attempting to cheat/unlawfully gain advantage. Dier did neither. By the book, yes, it was a penalty. Even the usually biased media, were in uproar about it.

Penalised for attempting to gain an advantage. Good point. That's easy to understand.

 

[Trotter]

Penalised for attempting to gain an advantage. Good point. That's easy to understand.

But the reasoning put forward when the law was made is that Dier wasn't just attempting to gain an advantage, but actually gained it. by making himself bigger by having his arms out, and therefore more of a block for the ball to go past. So by your own definition it should be a penalty.

And remember it is countries across the world that put forward law amendment changes for IFAB to discuss, many countries have asked for the stronger handball is handball law changes over the years (and many were refereeing to that standard anyway), long before FIFA really changed things up for the 2018 World Cup with the guidelines to referees. (just look at the Iran penalty v Portugal, and see if that is any different to the one on Sunday, but exactly what has been penalised across the world)

 

[mawspurs]

Dier hims has said his arms were up because he was pushed in the back, something that was conveniently overlooked by VAR and the ref. It should have been a foul against Newcastle as that offence was committed first before the (accidental) handball.

 

[guiltyparty]

I get that. The point being, it's a ridiculous rule. As with anything in life, intent is everything. A penalty is exactly that, someone is being penalised/punished for attempting to cheat/unlawfully gain advantage. Dier did neither. By the book, yes, it was a penalty. Even the usually biased media, were in uproar about it.

Oh I agree. Not my words, Lynne, the words of Top Gear Magazine.

 

[soup]

Oh I agree. Not my words, Lynne, the words of Top Gear Magazine.

 

[wpmcg]

But the reasoning put forward when the law was made is that Dier wasn't just attempting to gain an advantage, but actually gained it. by making himself bigger by having his arms out, and therefore more of a block for the ball to go past. So by your own definition it should be a penalty.

And remember it is countries across the world that put forward law amendment changes for IFAB to discuss, many countries have asked for the stronger handball is handball law changes over the years (and many were refereeing to that standard anyway), long before FIFA really changed things up for the 2018 World Cup with the guidelines to referees. (just look at the Iran penalty v Portugal, and see if that is any different to the one on Sunday, but exactly what has been penalised across the world)

I don't believe he "made himself bigger" though. That's a conscious act. He was pushed as he jumped. There were two fouls before the penalty, neither by us.