Chelsea Vs Tottenham: FA Cup Match Thread

[SpursDave88]

I don't understand how people keep separating our performance or choking from what we did at key moments in the game.

We choked, because we made mistakes at key moments.

We didn't play well, because one of our players gave a soft penalty away, another was positioned poorly for a free kick and we didn't mark one of the world's best players from a corner kick.

 

[wadewill]

Defensively Chelsea were very good, massively helped by the refs total incompetence at not giving any of them a yellow card. We didn't create as much end product because of constant fouls which was allowed to carry on by now card.

But we play like that on Sunday and we will hit those woolwich twats for 4/5

Have a sneaky feeling Southampton might turn up Tuesday too

 

[vdv]

Honestly. If I could get after whoever coined that expression with a blowtorch.

i want to like this a thousand times

 

[Stavrogin]

Well they've been trying to stamp it out for several years
so it's not acceptable and it must be several years.
In this particular case Son didn't give the ref. a lot of option.

But it's more how pundits today assume that people will look for a penalty and anticipate contact. They don't seem to criticise it, they almost imply that its smart and it's the defender's fault for allowing the attacker the chance to cheat.

One problem is that its hard to say how cynical the attacker is. Bale would anticipate contact but he was a fragile thing in his early career and he was often going at great pace, so we can't be too hard (though pundits were quick to criticise him). Today it was especially egregious - I'm pretty sure most grandmothers would have been able to jump over Son (and be in on goal).

It's possible that Football has become so craven that the media networks (and individual pundits) don't want to be too critical because it's done by the top players to whom they must genuflect at every opportunity. If it was only Stoke players doing it, then I'm sure they would make a bigger deal of it.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Sorry what relevance does any of this have?

Your sweeping statement about Pochettino not being able to bring this club silverware. You made it and are now backing it with statements that have no context for the most part - that or you can see into the future. I'm banking on the latter so was hoping for some advice to make some cash ...

How anyone knows what lays instore for this club, it's manager, the players and the fans is beyond me.

 

[millsey]

How do you figure that we choked after the fourth goal? How is that logical? In any case, we almost scored a goal at the end. That's the difference from last year: we kept on playing and didn't lose our heads.

No as in they left after the 4th goal

 

[Sweetsman]

Oh shit was it a farther and son kicking off with eachother?

Lol, no they got involved with another guy. Fuck knows what it was about. The son was very aggressive and pushed the guy over.

 

[Phomesy]

We started Tripps but could never really make use of his lethal crossing. Frustratingly both Walker and Trippier got into crossing positions regularly but by that time Trips was on the left. Sigh...

 

[Indisguise]

The best manager we've had for quite some time has a bad day and apparently that's worth slitting our wrists over. I've avoided making any outright criticism of Poch because I think he's the kind of bloke who'll learn from his mistakes and doesn't deserve to be castigated for trying something new that didn't work. Yup, he got it wrong and we lost "a" game after a really horrible week when a much loved employee collapsed and died at the training ground, but it does piss me off somewhat that some people seem to think that winning every single game is possible no matter what. Not even Chelsea with all the resources they have at their disposal win every game.

 

[Sweetsman]

No as in they left after the 4th goal

Look, I don't mind them leaving. I know the area, so don't bother trying to get to Wembley Park. For future reference for anyone who doesn't already know, just walk to Preston Road.

 

[JerryGarcia]

I think you are missing my point...we should be upset, take it on the chin and accept that we lost because we weren't good enough and made very basic errors.

To say we are proud, we played well but we were unlucky is losers talk that you wouldn't see from Utd or Barca or Chelsea. Which is why they win many trophies.

Surely watching Spurs in recent years or united teams of yesteryear should have clued you in that success in Sport is in many ways about mentality.

If you don't hate losing you will come up short...no excuses...no "oh but we played well."

We lost because we defended like a bunch of prats at key moments, luck had very little to do with it.

The players and fans need to accept and understand that.

I will be proud when I see Hugo hoisting a trophy aloft.

You mention Man Utd but they didn't have that mentality when Fergie first joined them and it took years before they became the force that we think of. The way to develop that winning mentality is to keep going and trust that this is the best manager/squad/board that we have had for many a year.

As good as we are, we're not the finished article and our squad depth is not up to the standard of the elite clubs around europe. There is plenty to be proud of at the moment, this result may not be one of them but you can't blame people for being proud of some of our players performances today.

 

[elDiablo]

Son was reckless after diving in from a metre back. Pen all day long

In terms of.avoiding tackles that's exactly what bale would do and he got a rep for diving.

Need a consistent approach

 

[Sweetsman]

We started Tripps but could never really make use of his lethal crossing. Frustratingly both Walker and Trippier got into crossing positions regularly but by that time Trips was on the left. Sigh...

That didn't work as he doesn't seem to cross with his left. I'd have left on Wanyama, taken off Son for N'Koudou and replaced Trippier with Walker for better defensive cover.

 

[Sweetsman]

We started Tripps but could never really make use of his lethal crossing. Frustratingly both Walker and Trippier got into crossing positions regularly but by that time Trips was on the left. Sigh...

That didn't work as he doesn't seem to cross with his left. I'd have left on Wanyama, taken off Son for N'Koudou and replaced Trippier with Walker for better defensive cover.

 

[CockOnBall]

I think today proved what we already knew.

1) Our first XI is a match for anyone in this league
2) Our squad options are weaker than the established sides (no brainer when our wage bill is half their size)
3) Our manager and players are lacking, as a collective, big game experience

That doesn't mean we accept defeat without any assessment. Poch's tinkering and Lloris' mistake was the most culpable failures. Next up, Son's decision to dive in. He gets a slight reprieve because he was being played out of position and I've never seen have to make a tackle in our box before.

Those are things we can learn from and demand better from. I am confident Poch will be doing that.

 

[markiespurs]

I don't agree with blaming Poch although I do think he made two crucial decisions which were in the wing back roles. You just play your best players and that meant Walker on the right and if Davies is injured then you play a different formation or play Wimmer at cb with Verts on the left.

We lost it due to the defensive part of the game as our attack was good albeit not clinical at times.

Davies did'nt look injured running up and down the touch line warming up for large parts of the game. As for Walker being better than Trippier, I think that's very debatable at the moment.

Bottom line for me is that Poch unbalenced the team by shoehorning Son into the LWB role. Even if Davies was'nt 100% fit, the Verts at LWB and Wimmer at LCB would have been a much more balanced and logical selection

 

[TheHood]

Is this meant to be a sensible post? Do you have any idea of context? Pep had a team with some of the best players in a generation; Conte managed Juventus; Simeone had the likes of Costa and Griezmann, and hasn't had to weed out some shits; and Klopp was in a league where there's only one other major team at present, plus he has amazing fans. Poch has to make do with the likes of you. Poch managed Espanyol and Southampton before us. Ferguson and others think he's brilliant. I think their opinion counts a hell of a lot than your ever poor offerings.

Firstly the point was with regard to his age and the suggestion that he is a young manager which he is not. He is 45 which puts him in the same category as many of those he is competing with none of whom are considered as young. Secondarily he has been a manger for close to a decade, his abilities will have been honed by now so I question how much scope there is for further improvement. What is confusing is why you have taken those 2 points and tried to turn on this into a managerial comparison between those respective managers. And then choose to follow that up with the notion that an opinion held by a professional (one who belived David Moyes was a suitable candidate to replace him) somehow invalidates an opinion of a supporter. As if such parities are infallible.

 

[Rogmeister]

Watching those post match interviews was tough to watch. God knows how they pick themselves up from this. They look broken.
Such a tough game at palace as well

 

[JW_Spur]

The day the first pundit called it "being clever". There is nothing "clever" about diving because it is cheating. But because it is foreign, it is accepted.

I know El Classico is a spectacle but watch how many players throw themselves to the pitch tomorrow. It ruins the game.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Honestly, it is.

It was a penalty all day long - he was in a dangerous area and Son put a stop to it - he doesn't have to break his leg for it to be a pen. Yes Moses made 100% sure that he went over but Son threw himself, out of control in a stupid area. If it had been up the other end we wouldn't even be discussing it.

It really isn't though.

Let's forget the actual referee decision for a moment. Until very modern times, the media would have been critical of the attacking player diving, even if they ultimately express the opinion that the ref is correct to give a penalty.