An interesting read....

[grahamg88]

Thoughts people?

http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/7498696/John-Nich

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I agree with everything written. Maybe we should let the journalists take over the job as they seem to think they are right about everything.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I don't really think it's a good article, it's just the polar opposite to what the common opinion is. It'll get some good reviews because there are those people that still claim Redknapp has been lucky or that we have done as well as we have in spite of him rather than because of him. Most people though will read it and give it the old "oh do shut up Nicholson you silly ****."

I still don't really see how a manager who takes a team over when they are bottom of the league (regardless of squad quality) and 4 years later has them 'challenging for the title' can be classed as anything else but a roaring success. If a foreign or young manager had done the same people would be wanking themselves into a frenzy.

I'm not really sure I agree with any of the England related stuff as a whole either, it's just written by a bitter person.

But at least we know that sloth's real name is John Nicholson....:lol:

 

[mattyspurs]

I don't really think it's a good article, it's just the polar opposite to what the common opinion is. It'll get some good reviews because there are those people that still claim Redknapp has been lucky or that we have done as well as we have in spite of him rather than because of him. Most people though will read it and give it the old "oh do shut up Nicholson you silly ****."

I still don't really see how a manager who takes a team over when they are bottom of the league (regardless of squad quality) and 4 years later has them 'challenging for the title' can be classed as anything else but a roaring success. If a foreign or young manager had done the same people would be wanking themselves into a frenzy.

I'm not really sure I agree with any of the England related stuff as a whole either, it's just written by a bitter person.

But at least we know that sloth's real name is John Nicholson....:lol:

ha ha, beat me to it Bear

The guy is just being a sensationalist

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I don't really think it's a good article, it's just the polar opposite to what the common opinion is. It'll get some good reviews because there are those people that still claim Redknapp has been lucky or that we have done as well as we have in spite of him rather than because of him. Most people though will read it and give it the old "oh do shut up Nicholson you silly ****."

I still don't really see how a manager who takes a team over when they are bottom of the league (regardless of squad quality) and 4 years later has them 'challenging for the title' can be classed as anything else but a roaring success. If a foreign or young manager had done the same people would be wanking themselves into a frenzy.

But at least we know that sloth's real name is John Nicholson....

I don't think you get it. the article is not saying Redknapp is a bad manager. It is saying he has his faults like every other manager and he also has his strengths. But the media have span everything so Capello is a 'clown' and Redknapp is the best manager since sliced bread.

There is no middle ground with the media - your either 'clueless' and a 'clown' or the best manager in the world. The media always blame the manager. you cannot tell me that every manager we have had in the last 15 years has been clueless? At some point people need to realise that the players are just not good enough. Other countries don't have high profile managers but still perform to a high standard at major competitions.That tells me that we should be looking at the players rather than taking the lazy route of blaming the manager every opportunity.

 

[Mr Pink]

Yeah its gone too much to the other extreme IMO, although there is an element of truth in it.

However the bottom line is Harry is the outstanding candidate for the job, hence the frenzy for him.

 

[StartingPrice]

I don't really think it's a good article, it's just the polar opposite to what the common opinion is. It'll get some good reviews because there are those people that still claim Redknapp has been lucky or that we have done as well as we have in spite of him rather than because of him. Most people though will read it and give it the old "oh do shut up Nicholson you silly ****."

I still don't really see how a manager who takes a team over when they are bottom of the league (regardless of squad quality) and 4 years later has them 'challenging for the title' can be classed as anything else but a roaring success. If a foreign or young manager had done the same people would be wanking themselves into a frenzy.

I'm not really sure I agree with any of the England related stuff as a whole either, it's just written by a bitter person.

But at least we know that sloth's real name is John Nicholson....:lol:

I think he is deliberately using hyperbole to make his points, three of which come across very clearly:

It is not only Spurs fans who don't want Redknapp to be the next England manager - but the media has generated a myth that the whole country is 100% unanimous in wanting just this.

Redknapp is a good manager, but he is not 100% perfect. The media myth is generating an image of him as being the perfect manager in every sense. As almost everyone on this forum knows, he is better at man management and motivation than he is at tactics. Yet not one person in the media seems prepared to discuss this issue.

The players he will have available for selection are pretty much the same as the ones Capello had. Capello had an exceptional wins per game ratio. The games England have failed to win, on a regular basis, against the genuinely top international sides - is man-management and motivation going to be enough to make England players able to beat them? What if it doesn't? Will 'Arry cease being Saint 'Arryand suddenly become a bumbling, twitchy, illiterate buffoon for the media sharks to have a feeding frenzy?

I think all of these points are interesting ones for England fans to address, and no-one in the media apart from this fella seems to be doing so.

He may do it in a hyperbolic way, but, sometimes, that is the only way to get someone's attention.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I think he is deliberately using hyperbole to make his points, three of which come across very clearly:

It is not only Spurs fans who don't want Redknapp to be the next England manager - but the media has generated a myth that the whole country is 100% unanimous in wanting just this.

Redknapp is a good manager, but he is not 100% perfect. The media myth is generating an image of him as being the perfect manager in every sense. As almost everyone on this forum knows, he is better at man management and motivation than he is at tactics. Yet not one person in the media seems prepared to discuss this issue.

The players he will have available for selection are pretty much the same as the ones Capello had. Capello had an exceptional wins per game ratio. The games England have failed to win, on a regular basis, against the genuinely top international sides - is man-management and motivation going to be enough to make England players able to beat them? What if it doesn't? Will 'Arry cease being Saint 'Arryand suddenly become a bumbling, twitchy, illiterate buffoon for the media sharks to have a feeding frenzy?

I think all of these points are interesting ones for England fans to address, and no-one in the media apart from this fella seems to be doing so.

He may do it in a hyperbolic way, but, sometimes, that is the only way to get someone's attention.

THIS

No doubt in 2 years time(or before) the media will start a which hunt against Harry and the cycle will start again.

 

[LLPaulJ]

Did he just not repeat himself over and over again in that article? Appalling article. Gave me an actual headache.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I don't think you get it. the article is not saying Redknapp is a bad manager. It is saying he has his faults like every other manager and he also has his strengths. But the media have span everything so Capello is a 'clown' and Redknapp is the best manager since sliced bread.

There is no middle ground with the media - your either 'clueless' and a 'clown' or the best manager in the world. The media always blame the manager. you cannot tell me that every manager we have had in the last 15 years has been clueless? At some point people need to realise that the players are just not good enough. Other countries don't have high profile managers but still perform to a high standard at major competitions.That tells me that we should be looking at the players rather than taking the lazy route of blaming the manager every opportunity.

I get it fine thanks.

It's like a gibbs131 thread that he used to start on here. I've never heard anyone label Redknapp as a 'fantastic manager' before, that includes the media. If Sir Alex Ferguson retired tomorrow HR's mates in the media wouldn't be touting him as the next United boss. The point that he is missing and one of the reasons that it is such a terrible article is that most of the media who push for Redknapp don't want him to be manager because he is 'the best thing since sliced bread', they want him to be in charge because he has some personality and will make press conferences fun, a fuck load more than an Italian who couldn't really speak the language.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I get it fine thanks.

It's like a gibbs131 thread that he used to start on here. I've never heard anyone label Redknapp as a 'fantastic manager' before, that includes the media. If Sir Alex Ferguson retired tomorrow HR's mates in the media wouldn't be touting him as the next United boss. The point that he is missing and one of the reasons that it is such a terrible article is that most of the media who push for Redknapp don't want him to be manager because he is 'the best thing since sliced bread', they want him to be in charge because he has some personality and will make press conferences fun, a fuck load more than an Italian who couldn't really speak the language.

Who gives a f*ck about press conferences? It's the results that the manager gets(or should be) judged on.

The press always think they know what the problem are with out really getting to the route.

Sven - Too pally with the players, WAG culture etc, no passion
Mclaren - Too pally with the players, too inexperienced
Capello - Too cold, doesn't understand english football etc..

This will go on and on and on. The witch hunt will start against Harry before too long. Then the cycle will start again. It is just lazy to blame the England football manager for problems endemic of our football culture in this country.

The article is just trying to highlight how Harry although the best candidate will not solve all the problems we have with the England football team as he has his own deficiencies. Just as employing Guadiola wouldn't automatically mean we play football like Barcelona. The problems are still the problems no matter who is in charge. The media just want to demonise the current manager without looking deeper into grass roots of football in this country. And they also fail to acknowledge that our England team has no devine right to be amongst the best in the world or europe. We simply just don't produce the massive amount of quality players any longer.

 

[kaz Hirai]

agreed with that jist of that. the media keep going on about how he has to be english, as if thats the key to england winning trophies.

they need to face the cold hard fact that since the existance of the world cup and the Euros, England have only won the WC once, in the days of black and white tv

They seem to conveniently forget 5 of the last 7 england managers have been english, and none of them had gotten to a QF like sven, let alone 2 and none of them touch capellos win ratio.

but brainswashing the Sun Reading morans into thinking a true english man will lead this collection of shits to glory in the summer and in brazil :lol:

jesus wept, if they make it to the QF this summer then that would be a massive achievement

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Who gives a f*ck about press conferences? It's the results that the manager gets(or should be) judged on.

The press always think they know what the problem are with out really getting to the route.

Sven - Too pally with the players, WAG culture etc, no passion
Mclaren - Too pally with the players, too inexperienced
Capello - Too cold, doesn't understand english football etc..

This will go on and on and on. The witch hunt will start against Harry before too long. Then the cycle will start again. It is just lazy to blame the England football manager for problems endemic of our football culture in this country.

The article is just trying to highlight how Harry although the best candidate will not solve all the problems we have with the England football team as he has his own deficiencies. Just as employing Guadiola wouldn't automatically mean we play football like Barcelona. The problems are still the problems no matter who is in charge. The media just want to demonise the current manager without looking deeper into grass roots of football in this country. And they also fail to acknowledge that our England team has no devine right to be amongst the best in the world or europe. We simply just don't produce the massive amount of quality players any longer.

Erm...the media. Which was what I was relating to.

I agree with your other points, and it's one of the reasons I don't think any top manager should want the England job, you cant polish a turd, our players are just not good enough. End of. And I cant see how in the time span that a manager gets with them, he can drill any kind of tactics into them. Capello is known for being a tactician, but his England side looked completely devoid of any ideas most of the time.

 

[vegassd]

It's just an article which states that the media in general have reported some extreme opinions in order to create stories. Which is fairly obvious to most of us without having to read an article about it.

So it's a nothing story that forwards a fairly extreme opinion in order to fill some column space.

Oh, the irony.

 

[Azazello]

THIS

No doubt in 2 weeks time(or before) the media will start a which hunt against Harry and the cycle will start again.

fixed

 

[CosmicHotspur]

I agree with some of the article, but certainly not all of it.

On one point, saying Capello was cold and aloof reminded me that the most successful England manager was the coldest and most aloof of them all - (Sir)Alf Ramsey (ex-Spur that he was himself) and we know what he achieved in 1966 with the tough regime and army-like discipline he instilled in the team.

Interestingly, Bill Nicholson was made of the same stuff playing in the same 1940s/50s Spurs side as Ramsey and was himself an army PT instructor himself during WW2. His success as a manager who took no nonsense speaks for itself.

Being liked, warm and popular isn't always the best formula for success for an international manager. He shouldn't be one of the lads if he's to have complete respect, authority and control.

The way Harry is at the Lane - approachable and giving off a somewhat fatherly aura - works to a greater extent because he is with the team on a regular basis and these days, things are not as rigorously discipline-based as they once were.

Managing an international side is really very different. Players come together at fairly infrequent intervals to train and be managed and being matey with the manager isn't what's needed or a recipe for success.

Harry could do the job and would probably do it well but I think he could well miss the continuity and daily routine of being a club manager and if he took it on part-time while staying with Spurs, as has been suggested, he could well be lining himself up for some grief and more heart problems. (I don't think Sandra would be happy with him doing that either!).

England managers come in for a lot of stick when the results don't go their way and Harry would be no exception.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I get it fine thanks.

It's like a gibbs131 thread that he used to start on here. I've never heard anyone label Redknapp as a 'fantastic manager' before, that includes the media. If Sir Alex Ferguson retired tomorrow HR's mates in the media wouldn't be touting him as the next United boss. The point that he is missing and one of the reasons that it is such a terrible article is that most of the media who push for Redknapp don't want him to be manager because he is 'the best thing since sliced bread', they want him to be in charge because he has some personality and will make press conferences fun, a fuck load more than an Italian who couldn't really speak the language.

Like his mates in the media weren't touting him for the Chelsea job last season ?

With regards to the press conference bit, surely that is his point, that it's the media's self serving instinct kicking in not necessarily a balanced consideration of what's best for England or football.

You didn't get it, you didn't get it, na na na na na.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree with most of it - but I also think that Redknapp is the perfect choice for the England job.

 

[stemark44]

Look at the impact Harry had at Spurs and O'Neill has recently had at Sunderland...........maybe it's not all about tactics and systems,maybe being liked and telling players they are wonderful is 70% of management.

The England players would love Harry and maybe that would be enough to get 6 or 7 very good performances from them and they might win the bloody Euro's.

He would probably bring David Beckham back as captain!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Like his mates in the media weren't touting him for the Chelsea job last season ?

With regards to the press conference bit, surely that is his point, that it's the media's self serving instinct kicking in not necessarily a balanced consideration of what's best for England or football.

You didn't get it, you didn't get it, na na na na na.

Were they? Not like this they weren't.

You don't get it. You never get it. Ever.

Ever.

Amen.