Match Threads Spurs vs Wolves

RosieFTL · Feb 18, 2024

Styopa said:
I think most people don’t watch other teams play regularly, they just see the results or highlights or watch the occasional big game. And even then, they’re not emotionally invested. So they tend to think all these other teams are smashing it whilst we are the only ones ever struggling.

Look, for example, at Man C yesterday, just about salvaging a draw late in the match. They also drew 2-2 at home with Palace in December. They also lost to Wolves earlier in the season. Even with their huge resources and the official GOAT manager they’re dropping points against mid table fodder.

I don't watch non Spurs Premier League games at all, not even highlights, as I'm just not interested.

We've been playing poorly for some time giving up far too many clear cut chances on the break. All teams now need to do is stop us through the middle as we can't create chances from the wings and then hit us on the break. That's why plan A isn't working.

allatsea · Feb 18, 2024

Is Neto as useless as Werner in front of goal ? That's how it looked to me during yesterdays game.

Styopa · Feb 18, 2024

RosieFTL said:
I don't watch non Spurs Premier League games at all, not even highlights, as I'm just not interested.

We've been playing poorly for some time giving up far too many clear cut chances on the break. All teams now need to do is stop us through the middle as we can't create chances from the wings and then hit us on the break. That's why plan A isn't working.

This idea that plan A is not working so we need to change to “plan B” is a false dichotomy in my opinion. Can’t it be we need to tweak plan A, or the players aren’t implementing plan A as well as they were doing earlier in the season, or the players are short on confidence or fitness etc. and we need to give it more time and work?

It just seems intuitive to me, that in any walk of life, whether you are trying to establish new systems at work, or introduce new habits etc it takes time. You just don’t get anywhere if you decide something isn’t working as soon as you hit a rough patch.

It’s like people starting off with a new year resolution to meditate regularly and after a few months they find it’s difficult to maintain their new habit and conclude that meditating hasn’t fixed all their problems like they hoped. So they just drop it and move onto the next thing that promises to fix all their problems. And so it goes on.

JR1994 · Feb 18, 2024

Styopa said:
This idea that plan A is not working so we need to change to “plan B” is a false dichotomy in my opinion. Can’t it be we need to tweak plan A, or the players aren’t implementing plan A as well as they were doing earlier in the season, or the players are short on confidence or fitness etc. and we need to give it more time and work?

It just seems intuitive to me, that in any walk of life, whether you are trying to establish new systems at work, or introduce new habits etc it takes time. You just don’t get anywhere if you decide something isn’t working as soon as you hit a rough patch.

It’s like people starting off with a new year resolution to meditate regularly and after a few months they find it’s difficult to maintain their new habit and conclude that meditating hasn’t fixed all their problems like they hoped. So they just drop it and move onto the next thing that promises to fix all their problems. And so it goes on.

Can’t think of a top side that has a complete different plan B. They just try and make plan A better

Japhet · Feb 18, 2024

Styopa said:
This idea that plan A is not working so we need to change to “plan B” is a false dichotomy in my opinion. Can’t it be we need to tweak plan A, or the players aren’t implementing plan A as well as they were doing earlier in the season, or the players are short on confidence or fitness etc. and we need to give it more time and work?

It just seems intuitive to me, that in any walk of life, whether you are trying to establish new systems at work, or introduce new habits etc it takes time. You just don’t get anywhere if you decide something isn’t working as soon as you hit a rough patch.

It’s like people starting off with a new year resolution to meditate regularly and after a few months they find it’s difficult to maintain their new habit and conclude that meditating hasn’t fixed all their problems like they hoped. So they just drop it and move onto the next thing that promises to fix all their problems. And so it goes on.

Plan A isn't working because it's not being implemented properly by the players imo. I remember early video of Ange's training sessions and he was yelling 'faster, faster' at the players to try to get ball movement up to the speed he wanted. Although I didn't see all of yesterday's match, I very much get the impression that our passing was slow and laboured, and I've certainly seen a trend in that general direction for quite some time now. Romero, much as I love him, is a real momentum killer with the time it takes him to get things moving. In short, we don't need a plan B, we just need plan A done properly.

Oh Teddy Teddy · Feb 18, 2024

TonyS said:
Well first off, with the squad we have, we should be beating Wolves. We completely lost our way today. And it's not that the expectation is high, we simply should be winning these games or at best, compete in them. We have good players, we have really good players and we also have some exceptional players. All those adjectives are based on what type of player shows up on each day. Ange has to take responsibility for today at least in part. And to reiterate, if we don't believe we can beat Wolves at home with the squad we have, then it's lights out.

Not sure anyone can argue that, but better squads on paper don’t automatically win games. We got pumped 4-0 by Stoke in Pochettino’s first season; hell, even City have lost to Wolves this season.

It’s disappointing, and it needs fixing. But it’s not lights out.

Archibald&Crooks · Feb 18, 2024

We need plans for each letter of the alphabet

bigfrooj · Feb 18, 2024

We’ve lost the bravery and confidence that Ange inspired at the start of the season. The players now fanny around both 18 yard boxes - they procrastinate playing out from the back and need to get the ball forward quicker. At the other end they need to get a good cross or pass into the area much quicker, or drive in like Kulusevski did for the goal, and create issues for the opposition. It’s the lack of courage that makes it so hard for our team to beat the press - how many exciting breaks from out of our own half have we seen earlier this season by beating the press? We’re not seeing that so much now. Wolves then realised they could sit back in their own half and that our moves would break down due to timidity and they’d get chances to break. It became easy for them and frustrating for us to watch. Ange has a bit of work to do to re-instil that bravery but he’s more than capable of it.

spurmin · Feb 18, 2024

Archibald&Crooks said:
We need plans for each letter of the alphabet

Good plan.

fishhhandaricecake · Feb 18, 2024

SPURSLIFE said:
Do you know something we don't know? 5-6 players in the summer!! The club aren't going to spend that kind of money 2 probably and then we will have to sell, although that hasn't gone to well lately. We just seem to be only able to do loans as nobody want's to buy.

We signed 7 last summer, 8 the summer before and 2 this Jan so no reason why we wouldn’t sign 5-6 next summer, absolute min 3-4 I’d say.

Tottenham Hotspur - All transfers

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www.transfermarkt.co.uk

I don’t need to be ITK to assume this, it’s fairly obvious that this is likely, we have the best profit levels in the league and strong FFP margins and will offload more players this summer and will continue to support Ange’s rebuild.

They won’t all be £50-60 mil players but I’m pretty certain we will sign around 5-6 players this summer, I’d be quite surprised if we didn’t tbh.

FloridaSpur · Feb 18, 2024

jolsnogross said:
My angle is that decades of underachievement breeds a casual club. And despite all the inputs, including millionaire players all over the place, we seem unable to break through. The manager is the focal point of our fortunes, and we have abelter of one again after 3 miserable ones. But the player mentality issue is well anchored.

"Lads, it's Tottenham" isn't just a meme, it's systemic. And I'm not on about needing to win trophies. I'm on about not shipping 6 points to wolves when the stakes are high.

"Underachievement" is subjective, and not unlike United, hiring and firing three or four managers over half a decade will not breed consistency in any team sport, leave the club with a dozen odd players the new manager does not require or can shape.

Most PL players are millionaires, non higher paid than those at City and they have broken through and some, so money I feel doesn't play into our situation regarding effort or application at Spurs.

I will never understand how so many fans point to players salaries and application as being an issue after we lost, as those very same players were determined enough to win a game the week before in the 97th minute?

We were without two of our most attacking players, have (i think) the third youngest team in the PL, and a manager just eight months into his stint, and having just two transfer windows to help shape the team in his vision.

Those naysayers need to look at Klopp and Arteta to see just how long it took those two (as example) to be a success, and win silverware.

Add to this, a season of unprecedented injuries throughout every position on the field. Yet we still remain in a position to qualify for a European competition of one sort or another.

Not one Spurs fan would have thought that last year when Ange was appointed, not one.

It's far better to reflect on a defeat a day or two after, than at a time when the manager hasn't even completed his post match interview.

FloridaSpur · Feb 18, 2024

Archibald&Crooks said:
We need plans for each letter of the alphabet

It's as if no Spurs fan has listened to Ange, ever.

Exhibit One:

SKY: Ange Postecoglou has said as long as he is in charge of Tottenham Hotspur they will always have a go, even if they went "down to five men" following their 4-1 defeat to Chelsea.

He is a man with a plan, and one that does indeed count for plan A-Z

NEVILLEB · Feb 18, 2024

There’s no way we should be losing to Wolves with that team.

Yes the replacement fullbacks are weak but the midfield should have dominated.

Nayim60yards · Feb 18, 2024

The first goal was diabolical. No challenge at all on the player and as for the winner! Look at the still above. We had five v two of them as we chased Neto and the eventual goalscorer Gomes was way behind the play in his own half, nobody checked their shoulder, everybody was fixated on Neto and Gomes just sauntered through to score. Poor poor defending all round. Wages should be getting docked for incompetence like this.

whenstevewentup · Feb 18, 2024

We’ve got a 2 week break and it’s come at a very good time for us .

NEVILLEB · Feb 18, 2024

Nayim60yards said:
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The first goal was diabolical. No challenge at all on the player and as for the winner! Look at the still above. We had five v two of them as we chased Neto and the eventual goalscorer Gomes was way behind the play in his own half, nobody checked their shoulder, everybody was fixated on Neto and Gomes just sauntered through to score. Poor poor defending all round. Wages should be getting docked for incompetence like this.

Royal should have been straight across rather than waiting to challenge in the box.

Bissouma should have picked up his man.

Our squad consistently don’t look around them. Its really annoying.

bubble07 · Feb 18, 2024

Nayim60yards said:
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The first goal was diabolical. No challenge at all on the player and as for the winner! Look at the still above. We had five v two of them as we chased Neto and the eventual goalscorer Gomes was way behind the play in his own half, nobody checked their shoulder, everybody was fixated on Neto and Gomes just sauntered through to score. Poor poor defending all round. Wages should be getting docked for incompetence like this.

It's scandalous. This can't be anges tactics. Bissouma needs more of a defensive brain to see the danger

Frank Blank · Feb 18, 2024

Japhet said:
Plan A isn't working because it's not being implemented properly by the players imo. I remember early video of Ange's training sessions and he was yelling 'faster, faster' at the players to try to get ball movement up to the speed he wanted. Although I didn't see all of yesterday's match, I very much get the impression that our passing was slow and laboured, and I've certainly seen a trend in that general direction for quite some time now. Romero, much as I love him, is a real momentum killer with the time it takes him to get things moving. In short, we don't need a plan B, we just need plan A done properly.

These are all very valid points. The one you missed out though is that depth wise changing Porro + Udogie to Emerson + Davies is akin to falling over the proverbial cliff.

That's not to diss either Emerson or Davies but simply point out that they aren't suited to the Ange system, given it supposedly is meant to rely on high tempo movement of the ball.

Now it's Spursonal · Feb 18, 2024

Just for a little perspective, Wolves also beat Man City 2-1 this season. A Man City team that are nine years into their project.

They also conceded a very similar goal to us where a sloppy dispossession led to Neto running the length of the pitch down the righthand side.

Unlike us though, Man City actually failed to break down Wolves from play at any stage in the game and actually required a wonder freekick to score their goal. Man City created very little at all in the game and just resorted to pop shots from distance in desperation. I'd actually argue that Man City actually struggled even more than us against them.

Below is Gary O Neill discussing how he set up Wolves to nullify City, and I imagine many of the same principles would've been used against us. I can remember O' Neill actually talking about Ange's tactics later in the show but couldn't find any footage unfortunately.

The moral of the story though is that its no great shame in losing to one of the best organised teams in the league atm and Ange shouldn't have to hang his head in shame for losing to them, particularly when you consider he was without his two crucial full backs.

rossdapep · Feb 18, 2024

Mr Pink said:
We'll turn it around, but we must work on our defensive set up and get back to starting games faster.

Starting all flat just allows the opposition to settle into their game plan....basically we're allowing them to execute it.

Yeah we need to take the game away from teams. Like we did Newcastle.

The start to the second half versus Brentford was with the energy and drive we need.

Brentford 's team talk would have been to double down and keep it tight, yet we still blew them away in 10 mins.

Gave it back to them though.

So we can do it but for some reason we either have a decent 10 mins or so then drop off to pick up again before HT or just don't get going until 25 mins or so have passed.

I think yesterday was the first first half where we just got progressively worse.

But if you start really strong and look to suffocate the opposition, you may defeat their will.

Teams come here knowing that they need to stay compact and catch us out.

If you overwhelm them and get 2 up, you force them to change their entire mindest/gameplan.

I am confident it will happen but it is odd we can't get that control right at home early on

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