Totally disagree. That was a clear foul. Harrison clearly backed into our keeper to stop him jumping for the ball.
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I don't understand why these have all of a sudden stopped being given as fouls.
Luton vs Burnley was a block off. Dias for City and now Harrison for Everton vs Spurs. Player takes a position and then moves into the path of an opponent when the ball is not within playing distance of either player - that's the FA's definition of impeding an opponent. These three are textbook examples of that wording.
Goalies were overprotected but now it's the opposite. No attempt to get the ball - the ball isn't even there - and instead an obvious movement to impede the goalie. It's always been a foul, yet now it somehow isn't.
That doesn't mean the defence shouldn't do more to stop it. They absolutely should. But has something changed we don't know about?!
Luton vs Burnley was a block off. Dias for City and now Harrison for Everton vs Spurs. Player takes a position and then moves into the path of an opponent when the ball is not within playing distance of either player - that's the FA's definition of impeding an opponent. These three are textbook examples of that wording.
Goalies were overprotected but now it's the opposite. No attempt to get the ball - the ball isn't even there - and instead an obvious movement to impede the goalie. It's always been a foul, yet now it somehow isn't.
That doesn't mean the defence shouldn't do more to stop it. They absolutely should. But has something changed we don't know about?!
I get why you say this, but its actually a method coached and encouraged by keeper coaches
I’ll try and explain it slightly more, hopefully makes sense.
every single goalkeeper in football would struggle against this, it’s not necessary weak or lack of strength, but an opposition tactic to throw off the balance, blocking or surrounding the keeper is absolutely no different to an outfield player on a corner, in fact, our field players are often held and grabbed, where as keepers are typically blocked from making the correct movement.
mtge reason why is appears weak is because of balance, as an outfield player, your centre of gravity is naturally lower due to arms, and stance/set position, you get to attack the ball, where as a keeper starts with a much higher centre of gravity - the arms have to be up so they are not caught low down, offer stood more upright to get a view of the ball, meaning any slight deviation of movement, will throw an entire movement off balance.
given the speed and trajectory these players hit the ball (id be surprised if many mere mortals could catch a cross from a corner from a pro player without players in the mix), you are talking the slightest of touches to throw it all away.
so, the only thing he can really do is create himself a tiny amount of space.
putting a defender there to block isn’t the answer, this will create more traffic and more chance of being knocked/pushed, so he should start higher up the pitch rather than on his line, a small shove of attacker and step back, creates a moment of space, if attacker then comes back at them, it’s even more of a clear foul, but overall it only gives you an addition but if space to defend the goal.
mots actually good tactics from opposition.
i know I talk about it a lot, as my son is a keeper and it’s how the pro keepers are being taught to deal with these scenarios, when I first saw my son push away the attacker, I told him he needs to be careful about giving away a pen, he just said, I’m holding my ground to create space, it’s what I’m taught and I’m not being bullied by the forwards.
I’m happy that it’s not a flaw, or a weakness in this particular keeper but most definitely coached - it’s going to continue to happen and he needs to learn to deal with this early on in a game ideally.
the second goal, it looked more like Vicario was half expecting to be battered so lost flight of the ball, but not really his fault either
every single goalkeeper in football would struggle against this, it’s not necessary weak or lack of strength, but an opposition tactic to throw off the balance, blocking or surrounding the keeper is absolutely no different to an outfield player on a corner, in fact, our field players are often held and grabbed, where as keepers are typically blocked from making the correct movement.
mtge reason why is appears weak is because of balance, as an outfield player, your centre of gravity is naturally lower due to arms, and stance/set position, you get to attack the ball, where as a keeper starts with a much higher centre of gravity - the arms have to be up so they are not caught low down, offer stood more upright to get a view of the ball, meaning any slight deviation of movement, will throw an entire movement off balance.
given the speed and trajectory these players hit the ball (id be surprised if many mere mortals could catch a cross from a corner from a pro player without players in the mix), you are talking the slightest of touches to throw it all away.
so, the only thing he can really do is create himself a tiny amount of space.
putting a defender there to block isn’t the answer, this will create more traffic and more chance of being knocked/pushed, so he should start higher up the pitch rather than on his line, a small shove of attacker and step back, creates a moment of space, if attacker then comes back at them, it’s even more of a clear foul, but overall it only gives you an addition but if space to defend the goal.
mots actually good tactics from opposition.
i know I talk about it a lot, as my son is a keeper and it’s how the pro keepers are being taught to deal with these scenarios, when I first saw my son push away the attacker, I told him he needs to be careful about giving away a pen, he just said, I’m holding my ground to create space, it’s what I’m taught and I’m not being bullied by the forwards.
I’m happy that it’s not a flaw, or a weakness in this particular keeper but most definitely coached - it’s going to continue to happen and he needs to learn to deal with this early on in a game ideally.
the second goal, it looked more like Vicario was half expecting to be battered so lost flight of the ball, but not really his fault either
You can’t stand your ground when you’re jumping with your arms above your head. Just not how it works.
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Vicario needs to go down before the corner is taken to alert the ref of what’s going on
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It was 100 percent a foul he just leant into vicario its now down the the team to effectively shield the keeper until teams stop using that tactic.
It really doesn't. Not even close. You can literally see the space between them, with the attacker putting his hand on Richy and Richy bracing for impact. THAT is standing your ground, not what Harrison is doing.Looks like Richarlison is doing exactly the same to the Everton player in that shot
So obvious. And he also went in putting his arm over Vicario's.
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Cheers for the insight shanks
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He wasn't obstructed until the corner came in though. They stood a good yard in front of him at the corner. Then the ball came in and as Vicario jumps for the ball the player then backs in while he's in the air.
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Don't know how anyone can disagree with this. It's not subjective. It's a foul by the letter of the law. Whether it's enforced consistently by referees is another matter but it is 100% a foul
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Doubt it would have made any difference
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"just standing his ground"
Really is ridiculous. The City one you can at least say Dias is somewhat plying the ball. Here Harrison is doing absolutely nothing to play the ball. It’s a basketball blockout. No attempt to play the ball simply a 2 yard body check.
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