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mark87 said:
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It’s a strange one as Laurie Walker has just come off the back of 3 clean sheets, with a MotM on last game, could unsettle the side making the switch straight away, although a little shocked not unexpected from Dean Brennan to make changes like this for no apparent reason, Bees fans have a right to question it and it puts a lot of pressure on the young lad to perform above the level that Walker has been showing the last few games.
 
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1-0 Altrincham after 30 seconds.

Alty took a quick free kick, defence lingering like farts in a phone box.

Keeper not at fault.
 
Marty

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Sophos151 said:
We need someone whose job it is to tell the manager no when he tries this. Awful, awful move for a player’s development to keep them around without giving them proper playing time.
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Depends entirely on the player. It worked with Phil Foden, he was kept around and never loaned even when he wasn't getting minutes.
 
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Watching the Boro - Villa game on tv to find the Boro keeper is Tom Glover, Australian lad, once of our youth team , left to go back home in 2017. Clean sheet so far. Looks ok, just signed for them 6 months ago.
Beaten in 88th minute by a shot from that twat, Matty Cash. Shot from edge of area, hit somebody’s backside and completely changed direction. Nearly finished.
Glover played well.
 
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mark87 said:
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I hope we are doing are due diligence to the club(s) that are looking at our lads. I care a lot more about playing time then the level they go to.

That said it'd be really cool if we could send a couple of them to QPR since there struggle at the moment and our lads could give them a big boost.
 
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allpaths said:
I hope we are doing are due diligence to the club(s) that are looking at our lads. I care a lot more about playing time then the level they go to.

That said it'd be really cool if we could send a couple of them to QPR since there struggle at the moment and our lads could give them a big boost.
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Even If we do, managers change and that can be a major issue. Just like with Tanganga
 
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FinnYid said:
Even If we do, managers change and that can be a major issue. Just like with Tanganga
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Maybe that should something we consider, the security of the manager of the club we're trusting our lads with? I know it's not an easy situation to judge, but it's what made sherwood so good as the loan coordinator, he clearly had personally relationships at a lot of these clubs we used to send our academy players to.
 
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Sophos151 said:
We need someone whose job it is to tell the manager no when he tries this. Awful, awful move for a player’s development to keep them around without giving them proper playing time.
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Maybe worth keeping him around for the second half of the season if he can keep getting minutes here and there and training with the first team then loan him out next season
 
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Westmorlandspur said:
Watching the Boro - Villa game on tv to find the Boro keeper is Tom Glover, Australian lad, once of our youth team , left to go back home in 2017. Clean sheet so far. Looks ok, just signed for them 6 months ago.
Beaten in 88th minute by a shot from that twat, Matty Cash. Shot from edge of area, hit somebody’s backside and completely changed direction. Nearly finished.
Glover played well.
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Wonder if he'll be pushing Matty Ryan for Australia's #1 shirt soon.
 
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Marty said:
Depends entirely on the player. It worked with Phil Foden, he was kept around and never loaned even when he wasn't getting minutes.
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Foden had thirty-five senior appearance for City before he turned nineteen, ten of which were starts. I don’t think Donley had has thirty-five whole minutes of senior football yet, having just turned nineteen. So Foden isn’t really a fair comparison.
 
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Cole Palmer might be a more apt comparison. And although City didn't benefit, he was well prepared to play men's football without going on loan.

All of this said, in the next 2 years he'll need to start picking up minutes off the bench and a few starts to be on that track.
 
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Our use of youth players in indefensible. We can make all the excuses in the world but the simple fact is that we don't give them chances. If we do use them its almost always in situations that are guaranteed to make them look awful, three chaotic minutes at the end of a game or in heavily rotated cup sides playing alongside undermotivated, unfit and out of form teammates. It drives me made that we wait until these lads are 20, 21, 22 before they get a shot by which time they're almost always stale and well behind their peers. The window of opportunity should be 17-19. As the Dutch say, if you're not good enough to come off the bench for thirty minutes by the time you're 18 then that's probably an indication that you're not quite good enough. We need a complete change of mind set and so far Ange has really disappointed me on this.
 
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Yeah I'd agree I'm disappointed with Ange too, I'm only pointing out that it can work without loans. But like we all know, that only works if you play the ones you keep and loan the ones you won't.

I'm probably being naïve, but I'm still hoping that Donley will feature and benefit from minutes in games where the other 10 players are first choice players in their favoured positions.

For the CBs, he's just not playing them this season so it's senseless to keep them around.
 
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Spurzinho said:
Our use of youth players in indefensible. We can make all the excuses in the world but the simple fact is that we don't give them chances. If we do use them its almost always in situations that are guaranteed to make them look awful, three chaotic minutes at the end of a game or in heavily rotated cup sides playing alongside undermotivated, unfit and out of form teammates. It drives me made that we wait until these lads are 20, 21, 22 before they get a shot by which time they're almost always stale and well behind their peers. The window of opportunity should be 17-19. As the Dutch say, if you're not good enough to come off the bench for thirty minutes by the time you're 18 then that's probably an indication that you're not quite good enough. We need a complete change of mind set and so far Ange has really disappointed me on this.
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You might have more of point there if 1st team was there for youth teams, not vice versa. We've seen very little evidence on letting gems out of our hands due not giving them game time. If they can't beat ones ahead of them, they don't play. Also it's not Dutch league, getting a game at 18 on merit at top half of PL is tad more difficult than at Ajax or PSV.
 
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Spurzinho said:
Our use of youth players in indefensible. We can make all the excuses in the world but the simple fact is that we don't give them chances. If we do use them its almost always in situations that are guaranteed to make them look awful, three chaotic minutes at the end of a game or in heavily rotated cup sides playing alongside undermotivated, unfit and out of form teammates. It drives me made that we wait until these lads are 20, 21, 22 before they get a shot by which time they're almost always stale and well behind their peers. The window of opportunity should be 17-19. As the Dutch say, if you're not good enough to come off the bench for thirty minutes by the time you're 18 then that's probably an indication that you're not quite good enough. We need a complete change of mind set and so far Ange has really disappointed me on this.
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I agree that Ange hasn't been using the Academy players in the way I would have liked too but I can't agree that a player beyond 19 is stale.

The Dutch league is one with little investment and the only way a club can survive is by producing young prospects to sell to the bigger leagues. That is their M.O.

As I indicated earlier in the thread, Spanish players regularly don't make break throughs until they are 22 or 23.

Its very infrequently that players break through at the age you're talking about and that is all clubs. When they do breakthrough it happens at teams that are already winning.

I'm not going to say Ange is doing badly with the Youth but I will say it in 12 month time if we're doing well and we're still seeing the same
 
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