DCSPUR64
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Cheers,
So there is no chance for a little investor like me?
I just googled and it did mention something.
Are your shares worth more now than when you bought them?
Is Levy getting blamed for Lewis mistakes?
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So there is no chance for a little investor like me?
I just googled and it did mention something.
Are your shares worth more now than when you bought them?
LexingtonSpurs
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I disagree. Levy is a businessman first, and foremost. And so I do agree that his primary interest is in maximizing shareholder value. But, before Levy owned Spurs, Levy was a supporter. I think he very much wants there to be tangible success. But, he won't cut corners to make that happen.
He will do what he can, within the construct of the business model he has created, to achieve trophies and lasting success for Spurs (if for no other reason than it delivers value to shareholders...)
am_yisrael_chai
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As a P.S. I am able to bifurcate my love of and joy in the team from my increasing frustration with our owners. Just check out my opening posts in each of the last 2 top 4 threads to see that. Each time the mood on here has been quasi suicidal due to transfer inactivity but on both occasions I’ve managed to find reasons for optimism about the team. In fact perhaps it’s because I’m so optimistic about this group of players and more importantly this manager that I get so frustrated that the financial investment in the playing squad isn’t being made.
Westmorlandspur
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Not sure your shares are worth anything. It’s a private company. We’re you not given the opportunity to sell when it went private.
rez9000
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Sure, but the point is that there's a lot to be positive about at the moment, certainly compared to back then. To be honest, I do understand and sympathise with fans who are pessimistic. If I'm being honest, my own immediate reaction to things Spurs-related is to look at it pessimistically, mainly because I'm of a generation that experienced the darker times during my formative years. I just try to leaven it with the good things about being a Spurs fan at the moment, try to moderate it, so that the bad things don't feel as soul-detroyingly painful as they might otherwise be. Does that makes sense?
am_yisrael_chai
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I’m not saying he doesn’t want trophies I’m just saying his risk/reward model is skewed towards avoiding financial downside and that makes him Kroenke like - another owner who is very happy making huge real estate investments but less so on the playing staff - than John Henry. He is much happier trying to “grow the franchise” by spending hundreds of millions on an NFL pitch than he is spending a fraction of that on 2 quality players.
Yes he is a fan but I think that side of his personality is about as relevant as you and me being fans when it comes to making financial decisions at Spurs. If it wasn’t he would have taken some risk to try to achieve more on field success on the numerous occasions in the last decade where it looked like we could push on if just some investment was forthcoming. Not to go over old ground but a fan doesn’t sign Saha and Nelsen.
am_yisrael_chai
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Sorry to be patronising but that is just plain stupid. ENIC own 85% of the shares, the other 15% are held by others, when/if ENIC sell the buyer would be required by company law to purchase 100% of the shares at the same price. In the interim there is a private market in THFC shares just as there is in lots of private companies, the scum for example.
Cut corners = in English, please.
riggi
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Yes mate.
My personal take on the club at the moment is more negative. I can cope with the issues on the pitch and lack of transfers but when issues get into the stands, that's when I get pessimistic about the future. I just don't find it a fun experience anymore. There's a hint of expectation and entitlement but along with that, the atmosphere is just dire. This set in when we were at whl btw so it's not just Wembley.
I just find us becoming more and more like that lot down the road.
am_yisrael_chai
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It’s Wembley trust me, I loathe the place.
riggi
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Yup it's a massive problem but whl started to get abit naff towards the end.
DCSPUR64
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50,000 at Wembley has no chance of a good atmosphere, if we are still there in March when we play Arsenal, we need to fill the stadium up with 80,000 and play well, hopefully we are in the new stadium by then.
rez9000
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And I certainly respect your take on the situation, because it will be formed and shaped by your experience of watching Spurs as well as the myriad experiences of your life as a whole, which will be completely different to everyone else's as their's will be to yours and each other's.
It's a shame that you don't get as much pleasure out of the club anymore. I've been through that myself, where it wasn't as important to me as it was before or is now.
Re the atmosphere, I have to admit that I'm not a regular attender of matches. For various reasons and not being not a season ticket holder, buying individual match tickets is a bit of a faff (for money reasons), so I've only been to a maybe a few dozen live games in my life. So I can't comment on the atmosphere (although I've been to Wembley and it sucks!) because I don't have enough of a frame of reference to be able to comment. Who knows, maybe the new stadium will inject some of the atmosphere you previously enjoyed and then maybe you can rediscover your love for it?
The issue of entitlement is certainly not a good one. I can understand why people have that feeling, but it would serve them better to not indulge in it too much at this point. We're not there yet. I think we can be, maybe even will be, but not yet.
As for being like those lot, I'd say that's a result of the state of the modern game. I have strong views on that - I find it deplorable in many areas - but acknowledge it is the way it is right now.
SpursDave88
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I think people are wrong to suggest it's because of entitlement.
When we were crap the atmosphere was regularly awful - people chanting Sugar out! Etc
Over time I actually think it is partly to do with the average age of fans increasing. The price and difficulty levels of getting tickets mean you don't get large groups of mates going together.
I think the configuration of the new stadium with a kop and large singing section will go some way to improving atmosphere.
Of course the best thing for atmosphere is always a winning team - or at least one that is surpassing expectations and exciting the fans.
Watch Sunderland til i die and see what atmosphere is like for a one club city that is doing poorly. Stadium only 10-20% filled and constant booing.
yido_number1
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Can't believe we are on the verge of not signing any players across two windows. I understand the argument of not getting the players we want etc but surely someone must have been available that would improve us. Strong Levy supporter and fully understand the stadium issues will have weighed heavy but come on, hardly backing the best manager we have had in my lifetime.
Johnny J
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I think Levy has largely done a great job with the club. But the one thing that really fucks me off the most is that we need to capitalize now. We are blessed with one of the very best strikers in the world, one who could command a world-record fee. And we are very fortunate that he's a Spurs fan with huge loyalty to us. We are also blessed with an incredible manager who has us competing with clubs with literal billions to spend.
These two things don't happen very often, to massively understate it. They won't stay this way. And that's not mentioning the rest of the quality in the squad, which we are already seeing erode, imo: Walker's departure, Dembele and Toby's impending departures, Eriksen's contract situation, Wanyama's seemingly King-esque knee injury.
If we genuinely want to win things, our best chance is now, while we still have Kane and Poch. They are both ambitious; they've both said they want to win things, and Kane has expressly said that he'll stay as long as we match his ambitions, which I am sure don't include watching us fail to bring in any new players. If we don't invest and push on, they will leave sooner or later, and will be incredibly hard to replace.
These two things don't happen very often, to massively understate it. They won't stay this way. And that's not mentioning the rest of the quality in the squad, which we are already seeing erode, imo: Walker's departure, Dembele and Toby's impending departures, Eriksen's contract situation, Wanyama's seemingly King-esque knee injury.
If we genuinely want to win things, our best chance is now, while we still have Kane and Poch. They are both ambitious; they've both said they want to win things, and Kane has expressly said that he'll stay as long as we match his ambitions, which I am sure don't include watching us fail to bring in any new players. If we don't invest and push on, they will leave sooner or later, and will be incredibly hard to replace.
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Johnny J
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If the only players we want are ones that we can't or won't pay for, or ones who don't want to come to us, then we need to drastically change our approach. My gut feeling is that Levy is incredibly cautious and resisting the way the market's going. But it's a false economy, because the market is the market and we can't hope to consistently compete if we don't move with the times. If Kane hadn't broken through and become basically the world's best forward, Messi and Ronaldo aside, we wouldn't be anywhere near the top.
yido_number1
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There's more to it than just Kane we are a great team and have proved that when he has been fit. I agree though if the players we want don't want to come we need to have realistic targets that would that make us better. Don't know whether to blame the board for not putting up the money or the scouting department for not uncovering more of the right talent?
absolute bobbins
Am Yisrael Chai
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Name a “realistic target” that is obtainable in this window, will make us immediately better and not just sit on the bench. Price it too, include fee, weekly wage, contract value and give your justification for the player.
I can’t think of one, I also think the way we operate in the transfer windows needs to change. January should be for offloading the bloat (Janssen etc) and signing prospects who have been ripping it up in smaller teams or leagues and leaving them in situ for the rest of the season (like with Dele). The summer window should be used for securing one or two established first team players.
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