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TheChosenOne · Mar 17, 2018

dontcallme said:
But will he be able to handle a&c making dwarf jokes about him?

Levy hasnt let heightism get to him so I am sure in my case it will be like water off a swan's neck. I won't take it lying down that's for sure.

Yid-ol · Mar 17, 2018

dontcallme said:
But will he be able to handle a&c making dwarf jokes about him?

They will just go over his head, no need to worry.

southlondonyiddo · Oct 2, 2019

Our owners rightly get praised when they spend vast money on our infrastructure but what about the money spent on the 1st team squad

More specifically those 2 transfer windows in succession when we didn’t spend a penny

Poch carries the can and can be an amazing diplomat but I have no doubt that our current problems are caused from those higher up without the same vision and plan as our manager

Donki · Oct 2, 2019

southlondonyiddo said:
Our owners rightly get praised when they spend vast money on our infrastructure but what about the money spent on the 1st team squad

More specifically those 2 transfer windows in succession when we didn’t spend a penny

Poch carries the can and can be an amazing diplomat but I have no doubt that our current problems are caused from those higher up without the same vision and plan as our manager

So the stadium and training ground were a mistake? Losing due to a lack of investment wouldn't result in getting beaten 2-7, especially when you look at the squad and the game.

kannanmothalali · Oct 2, 2019

Donki said:
So the stadium and training ground were a mistake? Losing due to a lack of investment wouldn't result in getting beaten 2-7, especially when you look at the squad and the game.

Bruh they're not spending thier own money. The money comes from loans, player sales, tv rights etc. They have spent like 13 millions of their own money if i remember correctly. Also Levy is the highest paid chairman in the pl.

Donki · Oct 2, 2019

kannanmothalali said:
Bruh they're not spending thier own money. The money comes from loans, player sales, tv rights etc. They have spent like 13 millions of their own money if i remember correctly. Also Levy is the highest paid chairman in the pl.

They are an investment company and have improved us MASSIVELY since they took over, they aren't a sugar daddy, they wont bank roll us I get it. But no sugar daddy would have bought us at the time when Sugar was selling cause we were 1, shite and 2, fucked financially. I am well aware of what ENIC are, but a lack of investment was not the reason for getting tanked last night, or the reason we got fucked over by a Division 2 side or why we have gave up games in winning situations.

danielneeds · Oct 2, 2019

Donki said:
They are an investment company and have improved us MASSIVELY since they took over, they aren't a sugar daddy, they wont bank roll us I get it. But no sugar daddy would have bought us at the time when Sugar was selling cause we were 1, shite and 2, fucked financially. I am well aware of what ENIC are, but a lack of investment was not the reason for getting tanked last night, or the reason we got fucked over by a Division 2 side or why we have gave up games in winning situations.

Actually, that’s exactly the time sugar daddy’s buy clubs. Look at Chelsea, Rom got them much cheaper than he would have been able to get us because they were in financial mess. Abu Dhabi got City cheap and with a brand new stadium gifted to them by the city of Manchester.

The massive problem is that anybody interested in buying us now will want to do it for a business investment. No sugar daddy is gonna put £1bn in to buy us and then another £500m to beef up the squad and wages.

philll · Oct 2, 2019

southlondonyiddo said:
Our owners rightly get praised when they spend vast money on our infrastructure but what about the money spent on the 1st team squad

More specifically those 2 transfer windows in succession when we didn’t spend a penny

Poch carries the can and can be an amazing diplomat but I have no doubt that our current problems are caused from those higher up without the same vision and plan as our manager

And if it's true that Poch had specific lists of targets in those windows and refused everyone else, is that the fault of Levy/ENIC as well?

southlondonyiddo · Oct 2, 2019

philll said:
And if it's true that Poch had specific lists of targets in those windows and refused everyone else, is that the fault of Levy/ENIC as well?

Yes

Donki · Oct 2, 2019

danielneeds said:
Actually, that’s exactly the time sugar daddy’s buy clubs. Look at Chelsea, Rom got them much cheaper than he would have been able to get us because they were in financial mess. Abu Dhabi got City cheap and with a brand new stadium gifted to them by the city of Manchester.

The massive problem is that anybody interested in buying us now will want to do it for a business investment. No sugar daddy is gonna put £1bn in to buy us and then another £500m to beef up the squad and wages.

There were no sugar daddies buying back in 2001 though? Surely your not suggesting ENIC buying us back then was a bad thing?

danielneeds · Oct 2, 2019

Donki said:
There were no sugar daddies buying back in 2001 though? Surely your not suggesting ENIC buying us back then was a bad thing?

No, I’m just refuting the poster I was replying to’s idea that sugar daddys look for financially thriving clubs.

Donki · Oct 2, 2019

danielneeds said:
No, I’m just refuting the poster I was replying to’s idea that sugar daddys look for financially thriving clubs.

The previous poster was me, again there were no sugar daddies back in 01. We didn't really have the time to be picky with who took over, we were fucked. If it was now, we would be snapped up, so I concur with your suggestion, just poor timing by us to be at the wrong place at the wrong time..... Spursy.

philll · Oct 2, 2019

southlondonyiddo said:
Yes

Understood.

(not understood at all)

danielneeds · Oct 2, 2019

Donki said:
The previous poster was me, again there were no sugar daddies back in 01. We didn't really have the time to be picky with who took over, we were fucked. If it was now, we would be snapped up, so I concur with your suggestion, just poor timing by us to be at the wrong place at the wrong time..... Spursy.

No, Abramovich changed the landscape in many ways. And maybe if ENIC had not been around and we’d scraped by with Sugar for a few more years then he may have looked at us more seriously. It’s all sliding doors stuff.

Donki · Oct 2, 2019

danielneeds said:
No, Abramovich changed the landscape in many ways. And maybe if ENIC had not been around and we’d scraped by with Sugar for a few more years then he may have looked at us more seriously. It’s all sliding doors stuff.

We can be happy that in another dimention we are dominating the world :cautious:

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southlondonyiddo · Oct 2, 2019

Donki said:
They are an investment company and have improved us MASSIVELY since they took over, they aren't a sugar daddy, they wont bank roll us I get it. But no sugar daddy would have bought us at the time when Sugar was selling cause we were 1, shite and 2, fucked financially. I am well aware of what ENIC are, but a lack of investment was not the reason for getting tanked last night, or the reason we got fucked over by a Division 2 side or why we have gave up games in winning situations.

If Poch gave ENIC a list of players in 2 consecutive transfer windows and we didn’t get any of them (if they were available, which I’m presuming they would have been) then that is ENIC's fault

If Poch only wants players 100% committed to his/the plan and knows several players aren’t and wants them out and is not backed - then that is ENIC's fault

If several key players have been allowed to wind their contracts down to the final season - then that is ENIC's fault

If you do not back your manager 100% because it will cost too much and things start to go tits up - then you have to take a huge amount of responsibility for that

So everything is linked and ultimately has a cause and effect with the 1st team squad, in the dressing room and on the pitch and it all basically comes down to options within the squad and investment

Why is Toby still at the club?
Why is Eriksen still at the club?
Why is Wanyama still at the club?
How was Nkoudou taking up a squad number for so long?

There are even more questions and I hold the board responsible for those issues, not the manager

Donki · Oct 2, 2019

southlondonyiddo said:
If Poch gave ENIC a list of players in 2 consecutive transfer windows and we didn’t get any of them (if they were available, which I’m presuming they would have been) then that is ENIC's fault

If Poch only wants players 100% committed to his/the plan and knows several players aren’t and wants them out and is not backed - then that is ENIC's fault

If several key players have been allowed to wind their contracts down to the final season - then that is ENIC's fault

If you do not back your manager 100% because it will cost too much and things start to go tits up - then you have to take a huge amount of responsibility for that

So everything is linked and ultimately has a cause and effect with the 1st team squad, in the dressing room and on the pitch and it all basically comes down to options within the squad and investment

Why is Toby still at the club?
Why is Eriksen still at the club?
Why is Wanyama still at the club?
How was Nkoudou taking up a squad number for so long?

There are even more questions and I hold the board responsible for those issues, not the manager

Toby and Eriksen are their because they want to go on a free, there was a lack of transfers because we built a new stadium. The stadium was needed there is no two ways about it.

We aren't a top tier team, we don't have the same global fanbase or reasources (cash) as other top clubs, you either accept that or you don't everyone is entitled to your opinion however.

southlondonyiddo · Oct 2, 2019

Donki said:
Toby and Eriksen are their because they want to go on a free, there was a lack of transfers because we built a new stadium. The stadium was needed there is no two ways about it.

We aren't a top tier team, we don't have the same global fanbase or reasources (cash) as other top clubs, you either accept that or you don't everyone is entitled to your opinion however.

I agree with a lot of that but you said a lack of investment had nothing to do with last nights result or others this season - that is incorrect

Donki · Oct 2, 2019

southlondonyiddo said:
I agree with a lot of that but you said a lack of investment had nothing to do with last nights result or others this season - that is incorrect

Its nothing to do with a club of our standing getting beaten 2-7, that either shows a distinct lack of effort by the team or management by the manager.

dontcallme · Oct 2, 2019

southlondonyiddo said:
Why is Toby still at the club?
Why is Eriksen still at the club?
Why is Wanyama still at the club?
How was Nkoudou taking up a squad number for so long?

There are even more questions and I hold the board responsible for those issues, not the manager

Toby has a £25m buyout clause so the club could not have stopped him leaving.

Eriksen did not receive the offers he was hoping for so did not leave.

We reportedly agreed an offer for Wanyama but he refused the move.

I have no idea about N’Koudou.

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