barry
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Wasn't a waste for me. I had a good time, and enjoyed most of it (last 3 years were tough,
but drinks really help)
Harry Kane
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T-Bone
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Not sure I really agree, how many semi's and finals have we had over Kane's years and for someone of his ability to not be able to help get us over the line even one time I think reflects badly on him, not to mention with England also. Going to Bayern is a easy way to win trophies. Hollow successes. I know it was not all down to him Spurs or England not getting over the line in finals but as star striker who is considered one of the best in the world to not have got his team over the line in at least 1 is poor.
Gingernut
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To describe Kane and poor in a sentence is just wrong. He is arguably best striker we've ever had. Get a grip.
mil1lion
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I'm just looking at it like it was several years back. We sold Modric and then Bale stepped up and carried us. We sold Eriksen and Kane stepped up as the 10 and carried us. We played a slow passive brand of football under AVB that required a world class player to prop us up. We played a similar dull brand under Jose and for much of the time under Conte. Another world class striker propped us up. We got an attacking manager who got us playing better as a team and pressing forward after selling our world class player. I see no difference now. We needed a striker like Kane because we create less so need a forward to score at a high success rate. If we create more as a team players don't need the same goal ratio as they'll have twice as many chances. It's the manager and how he shapes the team that is key.
Strikeb4ck
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Bayern just feels like such a weird club to join. There are 0 guarantees they win the Champions League (or even make the semifinals) and the Bundesliga/DFB Pokal, while silverware, aren't particularly noteworthy.
I just hope we get something where we have first rights 2-3 years down the road or something like that, so at least he can push for the goalscoring record and do it at Spurs. Would be weird to see him anywhere else in the Premier League.
I just hope we get something where we have first rights 2-3 years down the road or something like that, so at least he can push for the goalscoring record and do it at Spurs. Would be weird to see him anywhere else in the Premier League.
CantSmileWithoutYou
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mil1lion
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I would be more concerned if we were playing the brand of football we have the last few years. That would be a lot more impactful losing Kane and could go that way if we didn't have a forward to score goals with little possession.
Metalhead
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No we don't.
Reece_Spurs
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How many times did Rooney get us over the line with England? Or Gerrard or Lampard or Beckham? They all had the same issues Kane has had with us as a club, it's a mental issue throughout the entire team. We've suffered from it since getting good, the pressure builds and the more you lose quarters/semis/finals, the worse it gets until you break that barrier and win something.
England have been going through a similar problem we have, exceptional players but just can't get over the finishing line.
There's a reason clubs and national teams hire the best people when it comes to psychiatry, everything feels good and natural until the pressures on and legs go to jelly for most.
Can't beat Kane over the head for something many other world class players have also struggled with.. Fuck, even Messi just about won a World Cup with Argentina after retiring and coming back out of retirement.
CantSmileWithoutYou
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Probably not, but never rule it out.
degoose
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but you said "Anyone who thinks success is more likely without Kane is quite frankly deluded"
I don't get your point then. Success will happen with Kane but it has not, has it, and it has been years and years. What is it you expect to change in one year before he then leaves for free.
Yet never risen to occasion, he wants understandably trophies yet he is as guilty as the rest not winning them. It isn’t criticism of his ability it is fact. Harry isn’t bigger then the club and never will be onwards and upwards
degoose
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but we still did not win anything. For me i'd prefer Kane to stay but loads want a trophy and kane has been in plenty of finals, one more year might be something or could be nothing and as a business person i would sell.
Ron Burgundy
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You go too far. How about a world where we score 15 less because he’s not in the team, but concede 20 less. More points.
I just don’t think it’s quite as simple or inevitable as you say.
And ultimately you’re talking about one season, after which we’d be truly fucked
Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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For sure but I really can't see it happening. I'm nearly 50 so I've been there before but it's unlikely. Personally I feel more optimistic at the moment than I've felt in years.
CantSmileWithoutYou
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Same age bud, maybe I'm just having a downer of a day with Kane ITK and still no centre backs ..
I'm not sure if we can say we have wasted his talent. At the end of the day this all comes down to his desire to win things and it won't happen in this country if he's not at Man City. Kyle Walker showed it best when he went there, leaving a squad that was so full of promise for a Juggernaut that would go on to hoover up most major accolades in this country during his stay there.
Football has changed since we last won something. The entity that is Manchester City did not exist back then, cups were more obtainable and underdogs could luck their way to finals and pull off miracle wins. And yes I'll even discount Leicester as that happened when the oil clubs were fucking around with rebuilds and Klopp's Liverpool had barely got going. It's not going to happen now City have got their shit together.
When Walker left for City he showed the rest of them the route to individual accolades. Rose and Alderweireld wanted to follow suit, Eriksen did whilst the rest were without suitors from higher up. Kane signed his mega contract as a sign of intent, a signal to the club and the league that he was here to win stuff and we have not. We were meant to surround him with similar players but we never did instead opting for managers who might be able to squeeze something out of the sub par squad we had assembled.
This is the sad truth. The club have fucked up over a number of years and we are still paying for it today. However, even had we been managed perfectly, the state of English football is such that without strong finances no one can mount a sustained challenge to the top. No matter what some on here say, we are not a financially strong club, not in the sense that the top clubs are in the country. Our wage budget is modest, we haven't had a billion invested into the squad over the last decade
Harry can see the writing on the wall. He won't win a thing here, but maybe doing so abroad is more palatable than for those ****s in blue.
Yes, we went backwards turning Jan, Tony, Dembele and Wanyama into Dier, Sanchez, Winks and Sissoko. Yes our big money signings have not worked out, but even if they had, we aren't in the same league as the trophy hunters. Our lot is to hope that somehow we get a crop of young players sticking together and turning into something like Arsenal got last year. Even then, it will only take one Kyle Walker type transfer to start undoing the good work.
Football has changed since we last won something. The entity that is Manchester City did not exist back then, cups were more obtainable and underdogs could luck their way to finals and pull off miracle wins. And yes I'll even discount Leicester as that happened when the oil clubs were fucking around with rebuilds and Klopp's Liverpool had barely got going. It's not going to happen now City have got their shit together.
When Walker left for City he showed the rest of them the route to individual accolades. Rose and Alderweireld wanted to follow suit, Eriksen did whilst the rest were without suitors from higher up. Kane signed his mega contract as a sign of intent, a signal to the club and the league that he was here to win stuff and we have not. We were meant to surround him with similar players but we never did instead opting for managers who might be able to squeeze something out of the sub par squad we had assembled.
This is the sad truth. The club have fucked up over a number of years and we are still paying for it today. However, even had we been managed perfectly, the state of English football is such that without strong finances no one can mount a sustained challenge to the top. No matter what some on here say, we are not a financially strong club, not in the sense that the top clubs are in the country. Our wage budget is modest, we haven't had a billion invested into the squad over the last decade
Harry can see the writing on the wall. He won't win a thing here, but maybe doing so abroad is more palatable than for those ****s in blue.
Yes, we went backwards turning Jan, Tony, Dembele and Wanyama into Dier, Sanchez, Winks and Sissoko. Yes our big money signings have not worked out, but even if they had, we aren't in the same league as the trophy hunters. Our lot is to hope that somehow we get a crop of young players sticking together and turning into something like Arsenal got last year. Even then, it will only take one Kyle Walker type transfer to start undoing the good work.
Johnny J
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Hope he stays, but honestly I do have faith we'll score goals without him. The real problem is our relegation-level defence. If we fix that (big if) and we sign a decent (not world class) forward, I think we'll be OK.
Kane is irreplaceable but all things come to an end eventually, and I really hope we have a good succession plan. We fucking won't, obviously, because central defence has been a black hole for years now, but I still hope.
Kane is irreplaceable but all things come to an end eventually, and I really hope we have a good succession plan. We fucking won't, obviously, because central defence has been a black hole for years now, but I still hope.
yiddopaul
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Lol, we're not selling him for only 80m euros. Minimum £100m
T-Bone
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Never described Kane as poor, I said never to have won a trophy is poor. Instead of asking me to get a grip maybe focus on learning how to read.
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