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PLTuck · May 15, 2023

NickHSpurs said:
It's rumoured that JN turned us down because he wasn't allowed a say on who will be brought in above him and that is astonishing to me.

One of the biggest selling points we have right now is that there is an opportunity for a clean slate, a chance for the new manager to come in and shape the club in his image from top to bottom and choose people he believes he will work with best.

It sounds like the truth is multiple members of the heiracy will simply not relinquish a single inch of power and any suggestion to the contrary is met with disagreement. We're simply not being run correctly at board level and whilst that continues we're stuck in this cycle.

You really want the tail wagging the dog?

Where else would you get to have a say in who your boss is?

NickHSpurs · May 15, 2023

PLTuck said:
You really want the tail wagging the dog?

Why not? Why shouldn't the new face of our club have an opinion on who he thinks would be best to help shape the team he works with every single day?

PLTuck · May 15, 2023

NickHSpurs said:
Why not? Why shouldn't the new face of our club have an opinion on who he thinks would be best to help shape the team he works with every single day?

But its not the way the DoF system works is it? The DoF picks the manager, not the other way around.

You'd be hamstringing the DoF from day 1 if you allowed the manager full say over who it is.

NickHSpurs · May 15, 2023

PLTuck said:
You really want the tail wagging the dog?

Where else would you get to have a say in who your boss is?

To the point you edited in, it's rare a club is in this position where both positions are available. It seems mental to me we're not considering recruiting them as a pair, surely that would mean a much stronger working relationship from the off?

I know it's a chicken and egg argument but Manager's moan when DOF's choose players they don't want. If we give the new managers a say in that relationship surely they would be more aligned from the start?

KingNick · May 15, 2023

PLTuck said:
The point is he cant visibly do anything until July 1st, so I don't see much happening officially until that date either.

He doesn't need to do anything visibly.

NickHSpurs · May 15, 2023

PLTuck said:
But its not the way the DoF system works is it? The DoF picks the manager, not the other way around.

You'd be hamstringing the DoF from day 1 if you allowed the manager full say over who it is.

Then why not try it a different way? The current system has done fuck all for us.

Cavehillspur · May 15, 2023

Absolutely convinced we'll be having a season like Everton / Leicester next year and you know what, the clowns running the club deserve it.

JUSTINSIGNAL · May 15, 2023

NickHSpurs said:
It's rumoured that JN turned us down because he wasn't allowed a say on who will be brought in above him and that is astonishing to me.

One of the biggest selling points we have right now is that there is an opportunity for a clean slate, a chance for the new manager to come in and shape the club in his image from top to bottom and choose people he believes he will work with best.

It sounds like the truth is multiple members of the heiracy will simply not relinquish a single inch of power and any suggestion to the contrary is met with disagreement. We're simply not being run correctly at board level and whilst that continues we're stuck in this cycle.

I don't find that astonishing.

The DOF should have a say on the manager, not the other way around. The DOF is position that is there to maintain some form of continuity no matter who the manager is. It isn't right that the manager should be influencing who his boss is when that person should be outstaying him.

PLTuck · May 15, 2023

NickHSpurs said:
To the point you edited in, it's rare a club is in this position where both positions are available. It seems mental to me we're not considering recruiting them as a pair, surely that would mean a much stronger working relationship from the off?

I know it's a chicken and egg argument but Manager's moan when DOF's choose players they don't want. If we give the new managers a say in that relationship surely they would be more aligned from the start?

But how do you know this isn't what we are aiming to do? That would be the ideal scenario, but may not be possible for a multitude of reasons. If it isn't possible, then you recruit the senior person first.

HoltbiusMac · May 15, 2023

PLTuck said:
You really want the tail wagging the dog?

Where else would you get to have a say in who your boss is?

I mean it’s a weird situation in that as manager you’re more public facing, more likely to face responsibility and earn more than your ‘boss’.

If we had a DoF in place and they were like no I don’t want to work with Nagelsmann that’s one thing but as we don’t, and as Nagelsmann has very successfully worked within DoF structures it’s one where I think that it would have made sense.

McArchibald · May 15, 2023

Cavehillspur said:
Absolutely convinced we'll be having a season like Everton / Leicester next year and you know what, the clowns running the club deserve it.

When Kane eventually leaves, the relegation fight is on. He's the duct tape that holds the whole crumbling superstructure together atm...

superted4 · May 15, 2023

Trix said:
Oh mate I see things better than most, because I have more evidence to go by. As someone that has successfully run a company for many years I can tell you as the boss the best decisions you can make, are letting those that know more about specific areas than you do make the decisions for that area. That doesn't matter if you are a 5 man work force or ICI.

Can you just piss off please. No room for common sense on here or in the boardroom of THFC ;-)

PLTuck · May 15, 2023

HoltbiusMac said:
I mean it’s a weird situation in that as manager you’re more public facing, more likely to face responsibility and earn more than your ‘boss’.

If we had a DoF in place and they were like no I don’t want to work with Nagelsmann that’s one thing but as we don’t, and as Nagelsmann has very successfully worked within DoF structures it’s one where I think that it would have made sense.

Without knowing the full details we can't know either way. For all we know he demanded a 10 year contract with full transfer power.

We are all just speculating really.

Graham Minshall · May 15, 2023

Trix said:
Oh mate I see things better than most, because I have more evidence to go by. As someone that has successfully run a company for many years I can tell you as the boss the best decisions you can make, are letting those that know more about specific areas than you do make the decisions for that area. That doesn't matter if you are a 5 man work force or ICI.

Are ICI still going?

jolsnogross · May 15, 2023

People arguing for DoF supremacy over the manager are essentially arguing for a suit to call the shots on football matters. Fair enough that's how the model works, but it is depressing that we don't prioritise and empower managers who are the ones with real football expertise and sporting leadership skills.

Our rudderless shitshow really needs to employ a manager that can provide a new direction. Because our downward trajectory is only starting unless we get the next one right

PLTuck · May 15, 2023

jolsnogross said:
People arguing for DoF supremacy over the manager are essentially arguing for a suit to call the shots on football matters. Fair enough that's how the model works, but it is depressing that we don't prioritise and empower managers who are the ones with real football expertise and sporting leadership skills.

Our rudderless shitshow really needs to employ a manager that can provide a new direction. Because our downward trajectory is only starting unless we get the next one right

That then leads to the manager being more like a Sir Alex or Wenger who has 100% control. That doesn't really happen in top level football anymore. Unless you have the caliber of manager of those two it leads to its own problems as well. Neither system is perfect but it is what it is.

You wouldn't appoint an assistant manager and get him to choose the manager he wants to work with, and by the same token you don't appoint the manager before the DoF.

13VanDerBale13 · May 15, 2023

Zlatan said:
We need to announce a manager before June 1st. Preferably a Sporting director as well, hopefully a joint announcement. We’ve had the time to do it.

you must be new here

For the love of Spurs · May 15, 2023

PLTuck said:
You really want the tail wagging the dog?

Where else would you get to have a say in who your boss is?

We are not Real Madrid. If Naglesmann was willing to come provided say Rangnick was DoF and had real power to shape the club to produce a top quality outfit then we have missed a massive opportunity.

Trix · May 15, 2023

PLTuck said:
But its not the way the DoF system works is it? The DoF picks the manager, not the other way around.

You'd be hamstringing the DoF from day 1 if you allowed the manager full say over who it is.

The manager and DOF is much more a partnership than an employee, employer relationship though. If a manager is used to working in that set up it's totally understandable they wouldn't take on the job unless they knew the DOF's ideologies matched their own. It's very difficult to compare football with any other industry when the head coach is usually paid extortionately higher than the DOF and CEO.

Anyway I can understand us fully walking away if we weren't comfortable with that set up. We shouldn't however have denied any talks even took place be it with a direct statement, or via strong press leaks. I guess they've done it this way so it's Ali Gold who takes the fall if/when Nagelsmann tells the world we were talking for ages.

ShriekinKnight · May 15, 2023

I bet Levy/ ENIC / the board's wet dream is to have a club that turns a profit nearly every transfer window while still making Champions League.

A guy that literally knows THAT EXACT BLUEPRINT in intricate detail falls in our lap and then Levy can't agree on ANY of his suggestions (DoF, players wage structure, transfer budget, etc).

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