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Albertbarich · Mar 29, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Hugely successful in the women’s game which is on an entirely different planet to the men’s game.

It would be outrageously and grossly negligent for a club of our size to hand a job to someone who has never managed a single game in men’s football.

Of course it would.

If you want to prove a women can manage a top men's team good for you, I just don't want Spurs to be leading that social experiment.

We can do it right after our rivals have tested the water, which would be never.

RuskyM · Mar 29, 2023

Preferential ballot for me would go 1. Poch, 2. Nagelsmann, 3. Frank, 4. Amorim, 5. de Zerbi, 6. Postecoglou, 7. Schmidt, 8. Gallardo, 9. Mason, 10. Enrique. Have soured a bit on Luis despite thinking he's a good manager and a good bloke mostly cos what's in it for him? Doesn't really need to prove anything.

I do like Hayes as a suggestion, mind. Incredibly smart with how she analyses games - always great to listen to.

felmani26 · Mar 29, 2023

Trix said:
The more I've looked into them, I'd take either tbh. It needs to be said though that both will need time to put their stamp on things. If we go for a progressive project type coach they should be given 2 full Summer windows minimum regardless of how things are on the pitch. Every manager on the "list" plays a certain way and that'll take time to put into practice.

There's a real conflict here as finishing outside of European football allows the new coach to really ingrain his methodology on the players and set us up for longer term success you feel but obviously to the detriment financially and I guess prestige.

Pains me as I desperately want us winning silverware, any silverware, but failing top 4, if we don't take Europa League/Conference League football seriously, as showcased in yeas gone by then it might well be preferable to take one step back to enable two steps forward.

dontcallme · Mar 29, 2023

Albertbarich said:
They would react the same way the scums did , as much as clubs like to think they have the best or worst fans were all the same.

Overly passionate, impatient and demanding.

Mind you an early FA CUP for whoever comes in would go a hell of a long way to make people more patient.

The last 2 managers who won a trophy with us got fired the next season. Not sure it’s the saving grace we hope.

Albertbarich · Mar 29, 2023

dontcallme said:
The last 2 managers who won a trophy with us got fired the next season. Not sure it’s the saving grace we hope.

Very different circumstances though?

dontcallme · Mar 29, 2023

Albertbarich said:
Very different circumstances though?

How do you know, our next manager hasn’t even started yet. He could be the next Ramos.

yellowbean · Mar 29, 2023

dontcallme said:
For me, another important aspect is the commitment of the manager.

Jose and Conte never felt like long-term managers. If I felt Conte was committed to making a success of it here I’d have happily given him time.

I’d love to see how our fan base would handle Arteta’s results and performances for the 1st 2 seasons.

I'd love to see how their fan base would've handled it. If Arteta served up 2 8th place finishes with fans in the stadium and the AFTV children outside he would've been gone ages ago.

Completely agree with you regarding the commitment to the cause, we need to get someone in who wants to build something over several years and embrace the challenge of ending the trophy drought not see it as a poison chalice/18 month cash grab.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 29, 2023

Goobers said:
One hopes that the announcement of our interim caching team hasn't slowed or made less of the need for us to make this search and process as key and urgent as it should be. I really hope the people involved in it are still working their socks off to do this well. I really hope ....

I was wondering this yesterday. Are we still looking for a manager to come in now or have we started to think more about who can come in the summer. I guess the list might be dwindling somewhat for who can join now. Fab said we have a 5 man shortlist but I would think its maybe a good bit longer. I guess if we look at what we know...

De Zerbi - Def wont join now
Slot - Def wont join now
Amorim - Def wont join now
Postecoglou - Probably wont join now
Poch - Might join if we really tried hard to convince him but very likely wants the RM job and we don't seem to want him anyway.
JN - Very unlikely he joins any team now but maybe there's a slim chance if Levy offers a deal too good to refuse.
Gallardo - Has said he wont join a team mid season but we are a bigger team then Leeds and Brighton so maybe he could be convinced.
Enrique - May have some reservations but would probably come now.
Frank - Said he wouldn't come now but I would think he would if we offered him the job as he'd probably not be at the top of the list come summer. (which for me should rule him out)

Maybe if we really wanted one of the bottom 4 we could get one. I think JN is very unlikely now, if i'm him i'm not joining a team until summer, but by all reports and ITK he seems to be our number one target which maybe gives us a slim shot if Levy offers him an excellent deal. But i'd say its probably between the bottom 2 maybe 3 if we want a manager now. All in all I think its increasingly likely we will end up waiting until summer as after JN turns us down I would think the board will go back to not being able to agree on a target. That added to the limited amount of available targets just makes it feel inevitable. The only thing that could change things is if we get owned in the next two games then maybe Levy panics, but I'd be surprised if it isn't JN now or no one.

dontcallme · Mar 29, 2023

yellowbean said:
I'd love to see how their fan base would've handled it. If Arteta served up 2 8th place finishes with fans in the stadium and the AFTV children outside he would've been gone ages ago.

Completely agree with you regarding the commitment to the cause, we need to get someone in who wants to build something over several years and embrace the challenge of ending the trophy drought not see it as a poison chalice/18 month cash grab.

I think the challenge many fans have with giving a manager time is they expect a consistent trajectory.

It’s easy to give a manager time if the quality of football and results consistently but slowly improves. But this never happens.

Albertbarich · Mar 29, 2023

dontcallme said:
How do you know, our next manager hasn’t even started yet. He could be the next Ramos.

Could be of course , in fact my worry is the summer maybe be a very familiar scenario with Kane sol (Berbatov) and no real replacement brought in so Richarlison is left in the Bent role.

But we were talking about Arteta and the grace he brought by having an early FA CUP, plus the empty pandemic stadium's would have helped.

Trix · Mar 29, 2023

dontcallme said:
How do you know, our next manager hasn’t even started yet. He could be the next Ramos.

He could win a cup and then have his two best forwards(Keane and Berbatov) sold and replaced with Fraser Campbell and Roman Pavlyuchenko?

DanielJohnCosta · Mar 29, 2023

dontcallme said:
I think the challenge many fans have with giving a manager time is they expect a consistent trajectory.

It’s easy to give a manager time if the quality of football and results consistently but slowly improves. But this never happens.

happened with Poch

PLTuck · Mar 29, 2023

talkshowhost86 said:
This is something that the whole club, including the fanbase, needs to accept if we go down a 'project' route (which we should).

It won't happen of course because...football...but I agree at least two full seasons as a minimum before any whinging is allowed

It could be god himself in charge and there will be whinging from some quarters within 10 minutes of our first preseason game.

Harrier · Mar 29, 2023

Trix said:
And if that's the case shame on them for not showing personal pride, or a "we'll show them" attitude prior to Conte going. It's the minimum I expect from any pro player regardless of who they are playing for.

You’d hope so, but when it comes down to it they’re no different to any employee/boss relationship.

I’ve worked at some corporations where the whole mood of the place, and subsequently it’s productivity has changed significantly when the toxic twat at the top has been switched for someone with better man management skills.

dontcallme · Mar 29, 2023

Albertbarich said:
Could be of course , in fact my worry is the summer maybe be a very familiar scenario with Kane sol (Berbatov) and no real replacement brought in so Richarlison is left in the Bent role.

But we were talking about Arteta and the grace he brought by having an early FA CUP, plus the empty pandemic stadium's would have helped.

I was mostly responding to your last paragraph about winning a cup would give our manager time. Historically this doesn’t appear to be the case with us under ENIC.

Worth noting they were right to fire both managers.

Goobers · Mar 29, 2023

Trix said:
He could win a cup and then have his two best forwards(Keane and Berbatov) sold and replaced with Fraser Campbell and Roman Pavlyuchenko?

The bad old days ....

dontcallme · Mar 29, 2023

DanielJohnCosta said:
happened with Poch

Nope. We had one season at 5th then the next season finished 3rd while playing superb football. We then consistently finished in the top 4 while playing some of the best football in the league.

Albertbarich · Mar 29, 2023

dontcallme said:
I was mostly responding to your last paragraph about winning a cup would give our manager time. Historically this doesn’t appear to be the case with us under ENIC.

Worth noting they were right to fire both managers.

Yeah that's true. If they sniff European football is off the cards the manager is toast.

Harrier · Mar 29, 2023

dontcallme said:
Nope. We had one season at 5th then the next season finished 3rd while playing superb football. We then consistently finished in the top 4 while playing some of the best football in the league.

The start of his first season wasn’t great initially though with some patchy results, although you could see the direction we were headed.

dontcallme · Mar 29, 2023

Harrier said:
The start of his first season wasn’t great initially though with some patchy results, although you could see the direction we were headed.

Yep, so the idea that we had a slow, consistent upward trajectory under Poch is nonsense.

We had one season that was up and down and finished 5th before having 4 seasons consistently competing at the top while playing excellent football.

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