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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

TEESSIDE1

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I don't get the argument we need to show patience in Conte and his methods. His contract runs out in 4 months, how can you show long term patience when he isn't committed to the club past the very immediate term

I also don’t get his and the players mentality.

Son’s interview post Leicester defeat included similar words to ‘being cautious because Leicester are a very dangerous team’.

Like seriously? every team has some form of threat, you just manage this threat whilst also imposing yourselves on the opposition. There’s ‘managing the game’ and then there’s our approach of ‘shit the bed, rinse and repeat’.

All’ sides in the EPL and in Europe will look at our attack and rightfully shit themselves as Son, Kane and Kulusevski should be putting the fear of God into the opposition with Danjuma and Richarlison also offering a threat from the bench.

Yet for some stupid reason our negative tactics renders our front 3 as pretty much passengers. They’re easy to mark and keep subdued.

On the ‘odd’ occasion we’ve actually played on the front foot this season we’ve created chances for fun, scored actual goals and won games.

With the exception of Kane none of our other attacking players can perform with their back to goal so why the hell do we keep setting up this way?
 

Gassin's finest

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I play football with an Italian guy who is good friends with a few of his compatriots that played for Chelsea (they basically drank in the same bar in London) and knows Conte second hand. Basically the feeling is that this is like when he was winding down at Chelsea, and mentally he's already gone. All about seeing out contracts now and avoiding pay offs.
 

djhotspur

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i rated this winner because I agree with just about everything you say. Except one small quibble:

We are something like 4th in the league in expenditures. At what point is this considered a MASSIVE backing of the manager?

Seems at least substantial to me if not massive, so maybe he’s just making excuses now?
Yet in a champions league knock out game we had forster… dier…. Lenglet… 2 kids in midfield … perisic and be Davies came on.
Yes he’s sort of been backed but the entire back line bar Romero is simply crap.
Emerson was positive yesterday but he still doesn’t really offer enough threat at wing back, so we are still too far away from the system functioning effectively.
 

GioW

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I think it's a good thing that it's West ham and Chelsea next.

Something has gotta give
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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Yet in a champions league knock out game we had forster… dier…. Lenglet… 2 kids in midfield … perisic and be Davies came on.
Yes he’s sort of been backed but the entire back line bar Romero is simply crap.
Emerson was positive yesterday but he still doesn’t really offer enough threat at wing back, so we are still too far away from the system functioning effectively.

A lot of these are due to injury or suspension. And he chose to play Emerson over his WB. Not to mention the defence weren’t really troubled last night (and the one time they were, it was the defender that isn’t crap that fucked up).

Problem last night was the approach to the game, and the in-game management for me. But 1-0 away in the first leg isn’t the worst score so can only judge on the home result now. Certainly can’t ply the same as yesterday.
 

slartibartfast

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Yet in a champions league knock out game we had forster… dier…. Lenglet… 2 kids in midfield … perisic and be Davies came on.
Yes he’s sort of been backed but the entire back line bar Romero is simply crap.
Emerson was positive yesterday but he still doesn’t really offer enough threat at wing back, so we are still too far away from the system functioning effectively.
Then dont play that system!
 

Shanks

Kinda not anymore....
May 11, 2005
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I play football with an Italian guy who is good friends with a few of his compatriots that played for Chelsea (they basically drank in the same bar in London) and knows Conte second hand. Basically the feeling is that this is like when he was winding down at Chelsea, and mentally he's already gone. All about seeing out contracts now and avoiding pay offs.
This is how it ‘feels’ hearing him talk as well to be honest.

Can’t blame him really either
 

barry

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There is nothing inherently wrong with this as we all know he’d probably like to go back to Italy at some point. But we’re been in a horrible vein of form post WC, just lost in a huge game you just don’t need to say this. It’s so fucking unecessary

 

TEESSIDE1

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Something we’re seeing other sides try is an out and out attacking player in a wing back role/more advanced.

City - Grealish and Mahrez
Bayern Munich - Sane

We harp on about Emerson’s lack of threat but in his defence he’s actually improved defensively and put in some decent performances. He is however inconsistent and will have to do until Porro is up and running.

Whereas Perisic on the other side needs his pension and early retirement. I would like us to keep Emerson as the defensive option for now and use Danjuma as a more advanced left wing back.
 

Yiddo100

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Massive disconnect between our midfield and forwards. CM’s are trying to thread passes from too deep which are just getting picked off by defenders advancing into the space. 352 has to be the answer, the front 3 are too disconnected. Get the front two closer together to start putting pressure on, have the fullbacks push higher for the width, let a 3 man CM take control of the middle of the pitch, maybe one as a more orthodox holder closing space when the full backs push high, other two given license to roam higher up and pressurise. Getting them closer to CF’s should make through balls harder to pick off. I’d even be inclined to look at using Perisic as one of the CM’s if we are so short or get Kulusevski into the midst of the action more, and get Sessegnon running up and down from LWB.
Forster;
Romero, Dier, Davies;
Porro, Skipp, Sarr, Deki/Peresic, Sess;
Kane, Son/Richarlison.​

Conte is starting to appear an isolated figure. Gone are the days of emotion brimming out of him, jumping up and embracing his fellow coaches and players. He just looks like a guy who’s running on empty and drifting painfully towards an anticipated exit. He knows his deal is out and is just waiting to go. It’s like being sat in an airport after a good holiday, but now you’re tired and unengaged, just killing time till you can get on the plane home. Not sure if this is the backlash of the personal issues he’s had this last year, lot of emotion drained probably losing close friends and apparently family not with him. Just seems like it’s best for all parties to end this. Let Conte go home to his family and recharge. Let us hope for a bit of a new manager bounce. Hope for some excitement at actually playing some football we can get behind. It just all seems like a bad fit from the off. I never quite believed he was invested, the 18 month deal was a red flag. I didn’t see Conte giving him the players he wanted and needed. Back end of last season, I saw the passion and will to win, and thought maybe I was wrong. But the last few months have been painful to watch, negative football, the run of going behind every week became almost laughable.
It’s time to rip the plaster off.
Sess is out for 6 weeks
 

parj

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Jul 27, 2003
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5th and an FA cup isn’t a failure of a season in my eyes. I can’t speak for Chelsea fans, and I’m aware they weren’t happy with him during that season, but sign me up for that season instantly. It is also a season we could still have at this point. I’m not debating he’s much more suited to one game a week. That is pretty much a fact at this point, and I don’t debate facts. However he coped with UCL in the first half of the 19/20 and 20/21 seasons with Inter. The 17/18 Chelsea team mostly faltered after Christmas and after Barca knocked them out of the CL. Also, he didn’t actually spend unsustainable amounts at Chelsea or Inter. Morata, Lukaku, Hakimi, Bakayoko, Batshuayi, Rudiger the most expensive signings off the top of my head. He just found or inherited players that worked for him. I think if we kept the exact same squad next season and just spent 75 mil on a CCB, LCB, and GK, we’d see a huge difference. It’s not unrealistic. Raya, Guehi, Facundo Medina. Or whoever the manager wants that fits the club’s profile. Then the manager has shaped his team and squad completely to his liking bar Kane, Son, and Højbjerg. Who are 2 of our 3 best players this season and last season’s golden boot winner. Then I judge the manager. I really do think the defensive issues are debilitating. I’m not gonna say the manager shouldn’t change his ways to match the situation. I don’t like the stubbornness. We have a shit defence. Fine, then do something. Play more attacking so we might just outscore teams. Maybe play a flat back 4 and create more stability that way. Stop forcing Son to hold the ball up for starters.

The issue for me lies in that I really do believe in the success of Conte’s system when it contains all the right parts, and as I already said, I do think the last parts are affordable and should certainly be in place for next season even if the club does the bare minimum. His career gives me no reason to doubt that he succeeds here at all. Believe me if he’s here next season with all the tools at his disposal and fails, I’d be devastated because then I would 100% have to blame Conte fully (either that or the club’s just cursed). But in my mind, he’ll succeed with his tools, and that’s why I’m never gonna support the idea of getting rid of him before we reach that point. I’ll end with that him leaving is another matter, and the contract uncertainty is definitely really annoying. I do think we have to be certain of his future one way or another, and that the uncertainty is just creating this negative mood around the club. He could sign a new deal tomorrow, and I’m sure many fans would be unhappy, but at least we know he’s here to work with the club to build something. Likewise, if he leaves tomorrow, at least we have certainty. I think the time to decide on a long term plan is long overdue, with or without Conte. For me I want it to be with him, but I’m not oblivious to his faults and want him to do better and do something different.
I get you are desperate to win trophies but going from a PL title with no UCL distractions to 5th and FA cup win with UCL distractions despite spending £200m after winning the title and having a massive squad isnt good enough.

People want to give Conte more money to spend. That second summer transfer window he spent nearly £200m bringing in Morata, Drinkwater, Bakayoko, Barkley and Rudiger. 4 out of 5 of those spent following seasons out on loan cos of crap they were. The only reason they get the first title is cos he signed Kante. Kante managed to get Leicester the title, thats how good he was.

For us, that's a different level. We don't have a sugar daddy. Spending that much is huge to go backwards. And he has spent more than most of our managers, and taken us backwards. It's a pattern of you take us and Chelsea. If we managed to uncover a Kante type player then maybe, but we aren't going to.
 

Caco

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We are fifth in the league, last 16 of the champions league and fifth round of the FA cup, you think Levy is going to sack him now? I am talking about 5/6 loses in a row etc.
I doubt Levy is going to sack him, but worth noting that he sacked Jose before the league cup final.
 

sidford

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Oct 20, 2003
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Our next 5 games are
Hammers
Chelsea
Sheff utd
Wolves
AC Milan

It's hard to see us doing much in the league games, hammers always raise their game against us, Chelsea have v good players and will click at some stage, Sheffield United ok we should win it but away against a team 2nd in championship is a tough enough draw, wolves are playing well & are now well organised & then we have Milan who we couldn't lay a glove on last night.

If it hasn't already happened by the Milan game then he will definitely enter into reputation management Conte after that game when we're knocked out and the press conferences and after match interviews are going to be a shit show like they were at the end of his Chelsea days.

It's all so shit cos it's so predictable
 

DanielJohnCosta

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I get you are desperate to win trophies but going from a PL title with no UCL distractions to 5th and FA cup win with UCL distractions despite spending £200m after winning the title and having a massive squad isnt good enough.

People want to give Conte more money to spend. That second summer transfer window he spent nearly £200m bringing in Morata, Drinkwater, Bakayoko, Barkley and Rudiger. 4 out of 5 of those spent following seasons out on loan cos of crap they were. The only reason they get the first title is cos he signed Kante. Kante managed to get Leicester the title, thats how good he was.

For us, that's a different level. We don't have a sugar daddy. Spending that much is huge to go backwards. And he has spent more than most of our managers, and taken us backwards. It's a pattern of you take us and Chelsea. If we managed to uncover a Kante type player then maybe, but we aren't going to.
people forget he won the title using the players from the previous regime. As soon as he built the squad around his style it fell to shit and Chelsea were rubbish
 

muppetman

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Until there is someone who is a clear upgrade, available and wants to come, then the whole discussion of him going seems pointless to me.

It’s a tough watch and I understand that many just want to throw in the towel but I think we have to stick it out for this season at least.
 

wspur

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people forget he won the title using the players from the previous regime. As soon as he built the squad around his style it fell to shit and Chelsea were rubbish
On a positive note I think our recruitment has been better with Paratici so the Conte players should be good going forward as well
 
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