Player Watch Player Watch: Yves Bissouma
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Locotoro
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That post at the bottom is so funny...it actually looks like he's properly panicking and someone at arsemania I'd trying to drown out his post with debugging error
Bluto Blutarsky
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No reason to be antagonistic here. Nobody was wrong. For some people, this was a legitimate concern, and this probably eases that concern.
Just be happy we signed him.
McFlash
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I'm not so sure, we had one member stating that he was totally guilty just because an apparent accusation had been made.
For me, that person was certainly wrong.
I said it at the time and I'll stand by it - the bloke was a total bellend!
It was fair to voice some concern, even if all the evidence proved it was unfounded but to come out and say he was guilty was ignorant and stupid.
No, if you think it was that simple, you weren’t getting the point. It doesn’t change the fact we signed someone that at the time was involved in a sexual assault case. Yes, he’s innocent by court of law, buzzing to finally concentrate on football and clearly the club knew something. But fans didn’t know the situation, only that he was involved in a case, which didn’t reflect well and could negatively impact upon those effected previously that support our club.
Anyway, now it’s time to move on and I’m mighty glad we can because he’s one hell of a player and he’s totally cleared.
Let’s not discuss that side anymore, just needed to clear it up. it wasn’t some online bickering like discussing whether we prefer player a or player b. It was a genuine concern. So less of the ‘so called spurs fans’.
Locotoro
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I wasn't being antagonist to anyone here, but admittedly....
It was because of the ridiculous coverage his signing got on the Extra Inch podcast where they criticised the club for signing him with this over his head as if it was an affront to sexually abused women all over the world.
I found it very frustrating to listen to considering the man is innocent until proven guilty. I used to work in criminal law many moons ago and I've seen close up what false allegations can do to a person's life and career simply because the accused is not afforded any protection of identity when the allegation is made and through the investigation.
Now that he's been officially cleared I still doubt that people who said it was a bad idea will walk back their point on the fact that he's an innocent man.
Just to reiterate, I wasn't calling out anyone here. It was directed and certain people not on this site that have a larger mouth piece.
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Yeah, using the term ‘so called spurs fans’ because they didn’t agree with your opinion on something is antagonistic.
Locotoro
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Like I said....I wasn't being antagonistic to anyone on here.
I didn't say I wasn't being antagonistic to anyone at all
Timberwolf
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Yeah I know what you mean - it did feel at times like TEI guys were implying he was probably guilty due to their tone - but I think their main point they were making was that the club should've never put the fans in the position where we were signing someone who wasn't completely cleared of sexual assault charges (which is a completely legitimate point).
I always felt that the club must've known that he would 100% get cleared otherwise they never would've done the deal, but we were forced to assume this as fans. And given clubs have literally signed convicted sex offenders before you can never be too sure with these things.
That said, I do think that TEI could've been a bit more balanced. I really like the pod and those guys all mean the best, but it felt like there was almost an eagerness on Windy and Nathan's part to presume the worst - bringing up stats and previous victims, etc. That shouldn't be relevant when none of us have the slightest idea what happened. We certainly shouldn't blame the victim either, but each case is different and we shoudn't assume or imply anything.
Overall it was just a messy situation and I don't think it helps to be 'pro' or 'anti' Bissouma. If he actually did it and got away with it, that doesn't make it OK. But the fact is none of us have a fucking clue what happened so we shouldn't judge or make presumptions either way. And ideally Spurs wouldn't force fans to even have these types of debates cos it's not really fair on us.
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Jamturk
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It didn't go to court.
Locotoro
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This is precisely what wound me up about it.
It would have been so much simpler to do what they did on View from the Lane - " we don't know any of the facts and therefore we are not going to comment on the ongoing investigation, we're simply going to talk about Bissouma the footballer".
Too much eagerness to be the woke justice hero even if it means putting a cloud over an innocent man.
Edit: changed social justice to woke as I used the wrong expression in my haste
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Timberwolf
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Yeah, even if they had just voiced their annoyance with the club it would've been OK.
But when Windy goes off on one about victims of sexual abuse it can't help but paint a certain narrative in peoples' minds.
Just felt like a bit too much to me. I'm a liberal lefty and I hate the term 'virtue signalling' but even I was biting my tongue listening to Windy going on about it.
Locotoro
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And yet he will likely play out the rest of his career with opposition fans calling him a rapist etc
wrd
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Because they are desperate to look morally superior and to give the appearance of what fantastic humans they are, unfortunately Windy has previous for this type of behaviour. It is extremely easy to exhibit behaviour that you think makes you look good, it's significantly more daunting to say something that you think is important to say even with the possibility of it being unpopular but if you take the time to think things through and do your homework instead of concerning yourself with pats on the back on social media, you'll end up contributing to the greater good in the long run imo.
I'm glad Bissouma has been cleared of wrongdoing, any assumptions regarding his behaviour beyond this point would be conjecture but I vastly prefer to hope there was no wrongdoing because it means somebody wasn't subjected to sexual assault but unfortunately there's still a person they're looking into so there is still the possibility that it is the case.
Locotoro
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Completely off topic, but I was listening to a podcast just today where the discussion was exactly what you've described. People in today's media (mainstream and social media) tend to display more fear and cowardice than ever before. Those individuals who have stood up and disagreed with the prominent narrative at the time are seen as controversial and extremist and get hounded out of their positions or out of a following. All you are left with is those types of people that will reinforce the prevailing narrative, even if it's factually or morally wrong, just so they get the kudos for virtue signalling.
Back on track....
I can't believe we now have 2 of the best 3 tacklers from last season on our team. Bissouma whilst being supremely defensive in skill set will allow us to be more attacking tactically I think. Bissouma with another CM pushed up higher sounds like it could work very well.
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