The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - DEADLINE DAY 31st August 2021

hamsup_sotong · Sep 2, 2021

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Aphex said:
Spot on. To not expect the chairman to stick his oar in about special funded purchases is just not realistic. This will happen in all clubs around the world, it's not unique to THFC. I am sure Paratici has had lots of reign to do things. Of course it's also worth remembering that football people like Para and Nuno will always want an additional player, just like fans. There is no doubt having Traore in the squad would help him, just having more strings to your bow. There needs to be checks and balances though. Personally I think spending so much, it would be one of our highest ever fees, on Traore is madness. He is not a game changer he really isn't. Come the end of the season when he has 2 league goals and 4 assists, did we really miss out?

I am more puzzled why Paratici couldn't find an alaternative RWF that actually has end product.

that's cause he was Backing nuno.. nuno wanted him from the off? by the time the Don and hitchen were convinced.. his value went up

dagraham · Sep 2, 2021

The only thing I’m surprised about it that people are surprised by this.

rez9000 · Sep 2, 2021

CockOnBall said:
Works both ways. So no complaining from those criticising him if he saves us from hiring or signing someone we don’t want. Aka Gattuso or anyone else Mendes was throwing at Paratici.

The Gatusso non-signing was because a large contigent of the fanbase objected. But we objected in the knowledge that we were just expressing an opinion. We had no power to actually stop the appointment if it went ahead.

Or do we think that Paratici was oblivious to the uproar and it was Saint Daniel that clued him in to it?

Aphex · Sep 2, 2021

hamsup_sotong said:
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that's cause he was Backing nuno.. nuno wanted him from the off? by the time the Don and hitchen were convinced.. his value went up

Well regardless of all that, price has to be taken into account and 50 million is way too much for Traore. Take away the aesthetics of his lung busting runs, and the end product does not justify that price tag at all.

He may go on to have a superb season, but his value will only decrease from here on out unless he signs a new contract, which would be a silly thing to do from his perspective.

Dakes · Sep 2, 2021

Teegart said:
What I don’t get throughout the Traore saga is comparing it to the Ndombele transfer to justify not bringing him in. Not even remotely comparable IMO.

With Ndombele, he was coming from a different league and already had a rep from both Amiens and Lyon about attitude and laziness. He had never played in the premiership, which players often take time to acclimatise to, both in a footballing sense and a personal one living in the UK. He was clearly a gamble at that price which ever way you look at it.

With Traore you know exactly what you are getting, in the form of a premiership proven difference maker. You know at worst, even if he doesn’t add more goals to his game, he is a player with tremendous work rate, stamina, strength and dribbling proficiency. It was no where near the gamble that Ndombele was, especially when you factor in he’s played the last few seasons under our current manager, so you know his attitude fits with what Nuno wants in the squad.

I can understand people thinking the price for Traore was too steep, and that’s fair enough, but to use the Ndombele mess as a justification of spending the fee is laughable to me.

Totally

Trix · Sep 2, 2021

Aphex said:
I'm assuming maybe nobody we wanted was available, which leads me to think they just wanted to spend it because it is there and the window was closing.

I know Nuno wanted Traore, and Paratici seemingly got on board with it, but Traore just doesn't convince me. For 50 million I'd want an attacker with excellent passing / crossing / technique and refinished finishing, and he does not possess these qualities. I'd pay 30 mill tops. I am glad we have kept the money and hopefully we can sign a goal scoring RWF next window.

And that right there is why you are ok with it. You are completely Ignoring the precedent it sets, how it undermines the senior recruitment team, and the fact it was the only player the head coach wanted. You'll be the first to jump on it when it's a player you like though.

King Yid · Sep 2, 2021

thelak said:
He gets a lot more wrong than right and when you look at the things he has got right there was a significant amount of luck (e.g Poch)or things not as good as they might appear (Stadium hugely over budget)

I would also like to win trophies under Levy than an Oligarch. But we have won 1 trophy and ENIC are clearly in it for the cash!

Also is running the club properly charging the most expensive tickets but assembling the 5th or 6th best squad?

I don’t understand why fans don’t push back more on ticket prices vs. The investment going into the squad

I don’t disagree with you on ticket prices. Levy‘s background was economics and the reason they are so high is simply because the stadium continues remains full. And he will keep raising them as long as we keep filling the stadium.

The luck you refer to goes both ways. Both lasagne-gate and Chelsea winning the CL vs Bayern are two instances that cost us CL and the revenue that comes with it.

We’re (I’m) gonna get this thread locked at this rate so I’m going back to work. ✌

jimbo · Sep 2, 2021

Aphex said:
I'm assuming maybe nobody we wanted was available, which leads me to think they just wanted to spend it because it is there and the window was closing.

I know Nuno wanted Traore, and Paratici seemingly got on board with it, but Traore just doesn't convince me. For 50 million I'd want an attacker with excellent passing / crossing / technique and refinished finishing, and he does not possess these qualities. I'd pay 30 mill tops. I am glad we have kept the money and hopefully we can sign a goal scoring RWF next window.

That's not really the point though. For every player we're linked with, every player we sign, there will be posters on this board who aren't convinced they're worth it. Thankfully, it's not up to us.

You might be happy that on this occasion we've kept the money - I'm not convinced that Traore is worth that amount either. But what I do know is that Paratici has done a good job so far - we've signed some promising young players, and more importantly, we've moved players on that we needed to. Maybe Traore isn't worth £50m in my opinion, but backing Paratici, Hitchen and Nuno most certainly is. That's what Levy is risking with his interference - undermining what seems like a promising set-up at the altar of his ego. That's why people are concerned. We needed change in the recruitment and management of the football side of the club - even plenty of Levy's staunchest supporters agreed with that, and hailed the Paratici appointment as sign of the old dog learning new tricks. Turns out the old dog was just faking it.

doctor stefan Freud · Sep 2, 2021

Jamturk said:
You what?

Free agent signing?

Aurier?

Ginmela · Sep 2, 2021

I wonder what the board think of Levy getting involved and if he can be trusted to keep his word on things. I swear sky sports wrote something a month or so ago saying that they wanted to replace levy as chairman? Maybe I dreamt it?

Just glad we got in a good few players we can be happy with whilst also shifting on a couple.

isaac94 · Sep 2, 2021

any chance we will get a free agent in?

KingNick · Sep 2, 2021

Or maybe when DL really interrogated them prior to signing-off they weren’t convincing in their argument that Traore was significantly better than the existing players to justify the high expenditure (and consequent risk).

It is not be so long ago that Hitchin will have been persuading DL as to how SB was the player the club had to recruit.

All ITK will always be lacking in context, tone and minutiae of specific meetings.

Hazelton · Sep 2, 2021

It is quite curious why Levy covets the DOF model so much when he's so clearly reluctant or unable to give up control. On one hand he obviously wants it because he's tried it on a few occasions now, yet he consistently proves that it's not suited to him. He's never going to truly step back.

Rob · Sep 2, 2021

KaribYid said:
This.

There a quite a few posters on here who defend everything ENIC does. Meanwhile they label everyone who has any legitimate criticism of the club as negative, bedwetters etc. They then complain how the quality of SC has decreased and how it's so negative around here when the only thing that's changed from previous years is that DL has been making more bad decisions than good ones, the club has declined from CL finalists to conference league and hence, he's rightly bearing the brunt of that criticism as the major decision maker at the club.

And as someone mentioned in this thread, when confronted with real examples of Levy's downsides (like his interefence in the Traore deal as outlined by you, JJ and Herc), they stay silent and dish out passive aggressive ratings or run to the ENIC thread to wallow in self pity about how they are just trying to be neutral and being labelled as BSoDL.

Blindly supporting and rationalizing everything every decision Levy makes does not make you "balanced or neutral". It makes you just as bad at the hardcore "anti-Levy" posters.

or as I said a few days ago, "fucking Levy"

Col_M · Sep 2, 2021

Tiffers said:
Just read on Facebook Aurier in talks with Arsenal ?

I'd be surprised if we didn't have a clause in the contract that ties him in financially from joining another club immediately particularly if its one we had recently negotiated with. Unless of course the terms were favourable to both parties

Dakes · Sep 2, 2021

Hakkz said:
I want him gone from the football side of things. Set a budget and then fuck off to his spreadsheets again. People on here know as much about football as he does.

Can't winner this enough.

Nanky_1988 · Sep 2, 2021

Trix said:
And that right there is why you are ok with it. You are completely Ignoring the precedent it sets, how it undermines the senior recruitment team, and the fact it was the only player the head coach wanted. You'll be the first to jump on it when it's a player you like though.

Imagine if Vlahovic was £50m cash and Levy said no, Scarlett is as good or better! Everyone would be going mental!
It’s not about who the player is it’s about the precedent it’s now set! DoF was undermined and this could happy again at any time so effectively Don Fabio is just a scape goat for Levy and he’s still basically in charge of the transfers!

what an absolute shambles of a situation that is but some people don’t see it because “They weren’t convinced by Traore”?

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

Spud82 · Sep 2, 2021

I don't think anybody really knows what's going on here and if it was Levy that didn't want to spend 50mill on traore well then fair play to him because he aint worth it!

It's on Fab to bring in a backup striker and make sure we have balance and cover throughout the squad and he failed 100% so it's on him and nobody else.

Trix · Sep 2, 2021

Col_M said:
I'd be surprised if we didn't have a clause in the contract that ties him in financially from joining another club immediately particularly if its one we had recently negotiated with. Unless of course the terms were favourable to both parties

I kind of hope Serge goes to Arsenal from the banter pov.

Telling Gooners they've gone from steeling our home grown club captain from under our noses when there was literally nothing we could do about it, to sniffing round the bins to see what we've chucked out will bring me sooooo much joy.

McFlash · Sep 2, 2021

Spud82 said:
I don't think anybody really knows what's going on here and if it was Levy that didn't want to spend 50mill on traore well then fair play to him because he aint worth it!

It's on Fab to bring in a backup striker and make sure we have balance and cover throughout the squad and he failed 100% so it's on him and nobody else.

No, it's up to Paratici and Nuno to improve the squad in any way that they see fit, as long as its within their given budget.
Levy should not be getting involved in team matters, in any way, shape or form.

That's supposed to be why he hired Paratici, otherwise, what was the point.

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