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Albertbarich · May 15, 2021

Shadydan said:
I understand the right to these protests but they're ultimately not going to do much, there's no camera's for one so it won't be seen on TV or across the world and it looks like a bit of a piss up and day out, fair play to the ones that are going there in good faith I suppose.

Keep saying this but the best way to protest is to organise fans to leave the ground on a certain minute, Liverpool did that when they walked out the ground on the 75th min I think and the team lost focus and they conceded, that would get far more coverage than a few hundred people standing on Tottenham High Road chanting Spurs songs.

Honestly though they are just borne out of frustration because we're a bit shit right now and currently going backwards, I think that we wouldn't be seeing anywhere near the numbers that we're seen now if we were sitting in the top 4 and had a final to look forward to but that's the nature of football fans just very fickle and reactionary.

I agree with the last paragraph.

I also think more effective ways could be used but none of us are doing much about it so I'm not going to sit here and knock them for trying something.

I think levy does deserve a bit of a shock as too many things aren't acceptable.

Personally hopes he takes it on board, makes a couple of changes and we can move on.

bat-chain · May 15, 2021

Thick as mince that lot.

shelfboy68 · May 15, 2021

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
I can’t speak for what happened at the end of Sugar’s reign but wishing death onto somebody, especially during Covid, is utterly disgusting. The “fans” at that protest are embarrassing us and the football club.

Covid or not wishing death ain't right and that can't be accepted.
However some of their claims and gripes are probably justified but it's how you deliver it, I am not a levy fan but I wish no harm on him other than stepping aside and let someone else have a go.

Shadydan · May 15, 2021

Albertbarich said:
I agree with the last paragraph.

I also think more effective ways could be used but none of us are doing much about it so I'm not going to sit here and knock them for trying something.

I think levy does deserve a bit of a shock as too many things aren't acceptable.

Personally hopes he takes it on board, makes a couple of changes and we can move on.

Not everyone wants ENIC out though, I think some people have realised that it's probably better the devil you know - We haven't really regressed during their ERA, only in the last 2 years but that seems like a bit of an anomaly which means over the years since they've been in charge they've been doing something right.

It's too easy to shout ENIC out without looking at the wider context though and realise where they've taken us from and to and what kind of new owner we'd potentially attract and whether they'd have the good of the club to it's heart. I know Levy has done some general fuckeries but you have to say they've always been in the best interest of the club whether we agree with them from a moral or financial perspective or not.

I think we're all in agreement when we say that Levy should step away from the football side (whatever that's meant to mean) but that's never going to happen, the guy is a control freak but it's hard to argue against that because he's responsible for putting us in this position in the first place.

vuzp · May 15, 2021

IMHO yes ENIC have done a few things bad like the non signing seasons but the club and players have had chances to win things in the last few years more so under Poch but lost in Semi Finals when we really should have won and of course the CL,
the Club have really improved in the last 10 years it has only been the last year or so we have under preformed but in them 2 years we have been to 2 finals.
Yes i understand people are upset with ENIC but at the end of the day its only Football that i have no control over and there is so much more important things in life.

dontcallme · May 15, 2021

Albertbarich said:
Here's the thing I dont know what I want from enic as I'm on the fence . Done some good, done some bad .

What I do think though is you say it's pointless but they're doing something about it, what they're doing is more productive than moaning about it on a forum as most of us do. Every protest will be called out as every protest will ha e over zealous people but their message shouldn't be lost

What are you doing ? If you think enic are holding us back then organise something which you believe will be effective. Cancelling your ticket is pointless as there will be someone else to take it , the main income is sky , can't stop that. The only way to be effective is to mobilise, protests ate usually the start of movements.

Most of us have better things to do so I don't think we're in a position to knock those that are trying to do something.

One last point . The man utd protest got far worse than a couple of silly songs and they have already got a massive sponsorship deal cancelled so it can be effective even if at times it feels unpalatable.

The main reason I do nothing is because I don’t really feel the need to.

My protest chant would be:

“I feel Levy is not that good at running the football side of things.
I feel Levy made an error in the way he fired Joel and handling of our potential involvement of the Esl.
I think at times we should have spent a little more to secure a target.
I think Levy should consider stepping back from the football side of things and implement a scouting system in line with the manager with a long term plan in place.
I feel it should be acknowledged that Levy did a good job at taking us from lower mid table to top 5.”

It’s not the catchiest protest and there’s not a very strong message. Hence I will do nothing.

If others want to something then good for them. But people are always entitled to their opinion.

Mine is a protest to get the board out is futile and things aren’t so bad as to protest for such a thing. I also don’t want anyone dying over a game or sport.

vuzp · May 15, 2021

dontcallme said:
The main reason I do nothing is because I don’t really feel the need to.

My protest chant would be:

“I feel Levy is not that good at running the football side of things.
I feel Levy made an error in the way he fired Joel and handling of our potential involvement of the Esl.
I think at times we should have spent a little more to secure a target.
I think Levy should consider stepping back from the football side of things and implement a scouting system in line with the manager with a long term plan in place.
I feel it should be acknowledged that Levy did a good job at taking us from lower mid table to top 5.”

It’s not the catchiest protest and there’s not a very strong message. Hence I will do nothing.

If others want to something then good for them. But people are always entitled to their opinion.

Mine is a protest to get the board out is futile and things aren’t so bad as to protest for such a thing. I also don’t want anyone dying over a game or sport.

Well said Sir, agree 100%

King of Otters · May 15, 2021

A bit of heat on Levy isn’t a bad thing imo. He’s generally been a force for good at Spurs, but he’s got some major calls wrong in the past couple of years which has led him (and us) to this reduced state.

Like a lot of others here, I’m no great fan of ENIC, but it’s difficult for me to imagine us being in a better position should they decide to sell. We’ll either end up the play thing of human rights abusers or added to some American billionaire’s sports portfolio. At least Levy cares about the club.

Best case scenario is he learns from the mistakes that have been made and gets someone in to help him manage the football side of the business who isn’t Steve Hitchin.

Metalhead · May 15, 2021

Albertbarich said:
I agree with the last paragraph.

I also think more effective ways could be used but none of us are doing much about it so I'm not going to sit here and knock them for trying something.

I don't know about that. I've seen some strongly worded posts on here.

wrd · May 15, 2021

Shadydan said:
I understand the right to these protests but they're ultimately not going to do much, there's no camera's for one so it won't be seen on TV or across the world and it looks like a bit of a piss up and day out, fair play to the ones that are going there in good faith I suppose.

Keep saying this but the best way to protest is to organise fans to leave the ground on a certain minute, Liverpool did that when they walked out the ground on the 75th min I think and the team lost focus and they conceded, that would get far more coverage than a few hundred people standing on Tottenham High Road chanting Spurs songs.

Honestly though they are just borne out of frustration because we're a bit shit right now and currently going backwards, I think that we wouldn't be seeing anywhere near the numbers that we're seen now if we were sitting in the top 4 and had a final to look forward to but that's the nature of football fans just very fickle and reactionary.

Isn't it amazing how so many posts you see that fans are "disillusioned" and never felt more disconnected from the club when we happen to not be playing all that well :LOL:

My dad constantly went on about being behind the team through thick and thin, not just when the club happens to be winning. Seen so many people say they're finished or some other bollocks if we don't appoint a manager to their standard, it's utter shit. If you wanna walk away from football because of certain issues surrounding the sport or club fine but don't use those things as a façade because you're unhappy that we're not having a good go of it on the pitch at the moment and then suddenly you love the club when we inevitably turn things around.

Albertbarich · May 15, 2021

dontcallme said:
The main reason I do nothing is because I don’t really feel the need to.

My protest chant would be:

“I feel Levy is not that good at running the football side of things.
I feel Levy made an error in the way he fired Joel and handling of our potential involvement of the Esl.
I think at times we should have spent a little more to secure a target.
I think Levy should consider stepping back from the football side of things and implement a scouting system in line with the manager with a long term plan in place.
I feel it should be acknowledged that Levy did a good job at taking us from lower mid table to top 5.”

It’s not the catchiest protest and there’s not a very strong message. Hence I will do nothing.

If others want to something then good for them. But people are always entitled to their opinion.

Mine is a protest to get the board out is futile and things aren’t so bad as to protest for such a thing. I also don’t want anyone dying over a game or sport.

I pretty much agree.

I dont protest as I don't think they're all bad.

I just feel like those that are protesting are at least standing up for change and I respect.

spursfan77 · May 15, 2021

wrd said:
Isn't it amazing how so many posts you see that fans are "disillusioned" and never felt more disconnected from the club when we happen to not be playing all that well

My dad constantly went on about being behind the team through thick and thin, not just when the club happens to be winning. Seen so many people say they're finished or some other bollocks if we don't appoint a manager to their standard, it's utter shit. If you wanna walk away from football because of certain issues surrounding the sport or club fine but don't use those things as a façade because you're unhappy that we're not having a good go of it on the pitch at the moment and then suddenly you love the club when we inevitably turn things around.

Yep. It’s no coincidence Man Utd and arsenal fans are the most loud, it’s because their teams have had the largest fall from grace. It’s all to do with teams being rubbish.

Metalhead · May 15, 2021

wrd said:
Isn't it amazing how so many posts you see that fans are "disillusioned" and never felt more disconnected from the club when we happen to not be playing all that well

My dad constantly went on about being behind the team through thick and thin, not just when the club happens to be winning. Seen so many people say they're finished or some other bollocks if we don't appoint a manager to their standard, it's utter shit. If you wanna walk away from football because of certain issues surrounding the sport or club fine but don't use those things as a façade because you're unhappy that we're not having a good go of it on the pitch at the moment and then suddenly you love the club when we inevitably turn things around.

I must say that I don't take the 'i am finished if so and so doesn't happen' posts seriously. I wouldn't take the time to check but I'd be willing to bet that it's more in the heat of the moment than likely to happen.

SirNiNyHotspur · May 15, 2021

Can talk about lack of trophies and on field ambition, ESL and Stratford, ticket prices and the greed, NFL and property development priorities over football or fan, THST and the deceit etc etc so much to talk about and gain momentum with and get more on board, as much as I can’t stand levy wishing his death is just wrong and not part of my football agenda. I can see it also feed into a narrative where ENIC can actually gain more support...

JUSTINSIGNAL · May 15, 2021

wrd said:
that’s really fucking shit, I think there’s a few things to be disgruntled about and disagree with but that to me is about a difference in vision for what’s best For the club, not a single Iota does that justify protesting in this kind of manner.

Thing is most of these idiots are just pissed off we’re not spending money like Chelsea/Man City to win things. Nothing more than that. The whole ESL thing is just an excuse. Because it’s telling Chelsea and Man City fans haven’t been as vocal in their protests...

Wsussexspur · May 15, 2021

The protest sounds and from the pictures looks pretty embarrassing.

Bobbins · May 15, 2021

RickyVilla said:
Live at the beer drinking..... I mean protest.

Oh not this big nosed **** from WeAreTottenhamTV again - this idiot fuck needs to stop getting so much air time.

Imagine pitching up outside the stadium to sing songs about how you wish Daniel Levy dies. Imagine thinking for one second that's how any sane, normal person would or should behave themselves. Grown men doing this. Grown **** chav men.

Football is infected with these types of pricks, still to this day. We might have less of them than the likes of West Ham or Millwall, but these protests are just confirming that we as a fanbase still have a core of absolute thick ****s, the types who go on stag do's to trash foreign towns, or sing songs about "German Bombers" etc. Just the worst kind of ignorant twats.

And it's still inexplicable how fit this big nosed prick's girlfriend is.

Shadydan · May 15, 2021

spursfan77 said:
Yep. It’s no coincidence Man Utd and arsenal fans are the most loud, it’s because their teams have had the largest fall from grace. It’s all to do with teams being rubbish.

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Thing is most of these idiots are just pissed of we’re not spending money like Chelsea/Man City to win things. Nothing more than that. The whole ESL thing is just an excuse. Because it’s telling Chelsea and Man City fans haven’t been as vocal in their protests...

Yup and look at Liverpool's protest, FSG have done Liverpool dirty before with raising the ticket prices and joining project big picture without consulting their fans but they just won the league and the CL and are generally on an upward curve hence why not many people turned out for their protests.

Utd fans have been protesting about the Glazers for ages but I've never seen it this fierce to the point where they've stormed the stadium and have had to get a game called off because of it - Fans of the clubs who are going backwards are just using the ESL thing as a convenient excuse a frustration to get at their owners IMO.

It's funny West Ham had a protest last year in February when they were in the bottom 3...where's the energy for it now? lol

JCRD · May 15, 2021

Wsussexspur said:
The protest sounds and from the pictures looks pretty embarrassing.

I mean kits so friendly it feels like its just a gathering. All that is missing is a bbq and a coupel of strippers and you got yourself a party

wrd · May 15, 2021

spursfan77 said:
Yep. It’s no coincidence Man Utd and arsenal fans are the most loud, it’s because their teams have had the largest fall from grace. It’s all to do with teams being rubbish.

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Thing is most of these idiots are just pissed of we’re not spending money like Chelsea/Man City to win things. Nothing more than that. The whole ESL thing is just an excuse. Because it’s telling Chelsea and Man City fans haven’t been as vocal in their protests...

I can at least understand United supporters because the clubs owners are actively taking money out of the club, though they have spent a billion or so since fergie left but there's been issue with the glazers since day 1 and the ESL has left them horrifically exposed.

We are not even in that dimension of ownership. I was arguably one of the most vocal people on here in regards to the ESL and in recent weeks I've posted on where I think the issues are for ENIC and where they and the fans ideologies go in different directions. However the decisions they've made have benefitted the club whether fans like to agree or not, they have. The decisions they've made should have huge benefits in the long term for the club and once those revenue streams come back then we can have the conversations about ENIC's motives because we will have clarity on it but right now we're in a position of the decisions they made should mean that the long term future of the club will be very successful off the pitch and should transfer to on the pitch.

As I say I've made posts in recent weeks on where I'm concerned in terms of making the most of those decisions but they are a far cry from the anger on display here and the vulgarity of it.

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