Hoddle&Waddle
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Can only think we cant afford to get rid as to why hes still in a job.
Jose Mourinho
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I dont buy all this " our players are crap " I do buy into the one guiding them and telling them what system to play and how to play is not the right man for our club . A Daily Mail article is saying that some are behind Jose and some are not but it seems all are not happy with his tactics . When you have a team that can play as well as we have in some games and then play like the Zagreb and Arsenal games something is drastically wrong . It portrays a team of Jekyll and Hyde proportions and myself for one do not believe a squad of 25 players mostly internationals has morphed into a group of championship players . It is all so unclear but what is clear is if you do not go with his stated way to play a game you will at best be out of the side at worst you will be out of the side and publicly outed by Jose .
So it seems many say it is not the manager but most of the players have become crap or it is the manager who is at fault who has previous
Chelsea and United . It all seems so eerily familiar . Myself for one am not going to turn on the players but put the blame for where the fault truly belongs the manager .
So it seems many say it is not the manager but most of the players have become crap or it is the manager who is at fault who has previous
Chelsea and United . It all seems so eerily familiar . Myself for one am not going to turn on the players but put the blame for where the fault truly belongs the manager .
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I think there’s a bunch of people who could get more out of the squad, it’s the players themselves. If we really going to believe they are as good as they can be, then they should be able to deliver in any system regardless of who the coach is or what tactics they employ.
Which tactics suit them better is definitely up for debate if that’s what you’re getting at though.
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I’m conflicted with what should happen regarding Jose and the players. What is better for spurs? To get rid of Jose or the players because I can’t see both happening.
If Jose goes at the end of the season, which without CL (is very likely) will happen imo, a new manager will come in probably someone who has convinced the board that we have a talented squad and we can challenge with minimal spending and will want to have a look at the players before shipping them out and then 6 months down the line come to the conclusion we need a mass overhaul like the last 2 managers have realised.
Or stick with mourinho, let him oversee a mass clear out and let him rebuild the squad, something he has never done before and I’m not sure he can tbh.
Without spending a lot of money (paying off Jose and buying a lot of new players) I can see some tough years ahead
If Jose goes at the end of the season, which without CL (is very likely) will happen imo, a new manager will come in probably someone who has convinced the board that we have a talented squad and we can challenge with minimal spending and will want to have a look at the players before shipping them out and then 6 months down the line come to the conclusion we need a mass overhaul like the last 2 managers have realised.
Or stick with mourinho, let him oversee a mass clear out and let him rebuild the squad, something he has never done before and I’m not sure he can tbh.
Without spending a lot of money (paying off Jose and buying a lot of new players) I can see some tough years ahead
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I don’t think anyone is saying the players are crap, except for a minor group, I think everyone is saying their attitudes are crap. That’s the point.
There’s no way the same set of players who were 1st after 12 games, are now all of a sudden mid table level. They are definitely acting like it though, that’s what we’re looking at right now.
Hoddle&Waddle
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I think most would like a rebuild but to play some nice football in the meantime.
Jose wont ever tick that second box.
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Against Arsenal and Zagreb are we now questioning the style of play and the tactics? Are we saying the manager set them up incorrectly or to play in a reserved system. Or did almost ever member on here agree with the team that started on Sunday and very few disagree with who started on Thursday? If we're asking who could do a better job and talking about Pep and Nagelsman's tactics then we're saying the players executed Jose's plan correctly.But we have the captain coming out and saying that's not the case.
The matches were lost and the performances an embarrassment because the players had not enough desire, effort and drive to perform at their best. Clearly when they realised they were losing they stepped it up in the last 10 minutes of both matches. It was a lazy performance and for me that is not a tactical issue. You can try to blame the manager but he's not on the pitch with them. If they worked hard and were overrun I'd say he's responsible but they didn't work hard they were awful in terms of effort and work. A new manager is not going to affect that.
My position is that Jose should stay and in the summer we clear out those players that don't want to perform. I'd even rather promote academy players to first team status than wait for ready made replacements before selling. I genuinely don't want to see half that bench play for us after the summer.
And I would also want Levy to come down to training this morning and tell the players that the manager stays and he's got the full support of the club. Any player that wants to leave the club should say now and we'll start looking for buyers for the summer whilst they play out the season in the U23s
The matches were lost and the performances an embarrassment because the players had not enough desire, effort and drive to perform at their best. Clearly when they realised they were losing they stepped it up in the last 10 minutes of both matches. It was a lazy performance and for me that is not a tactical issue. You can try to blame the manager but he's not on the pitch with them. If they worked hard and were overrun I'd say he's responsible but they didn't work hard they were awful in terms of effort and work. A new manager is not going to affect that.
My position is that Jose should stay and in the summer we clear out those players that don't want to perform. I'd even rather promote academy players to first team status than wait for ready made replacements before selling. I genuinely don't want to see half that bench play for us after the summer.
And I would also want Levy to come down to training this morning and tell the players that the manager stays and he's got the full support of the club. Any player that wants to leave the club should say now and we'll start looking for buyers for the summer whilst they play out the season in the U23s
I think to be fair the problem is a combination of manager and players. Both are letting the club down. We need a new manager who can get more from the players we have and we also need some new players.
For comparison sake when Pochettino first arrived at the club there seemed to be a core who were causing disharmony within the group and he quickly acted to free them out. However many of the players who went onto become key players during the Poch pre-existed Poch's arrival: Lloris, Rose, Vertonghen, Walker, Dembele, Eriksen and Kane for example. I'm sure there are more that I'm forgetting. The key point is a lot of these guys looked like disgruntled and/or disinterested trouble makers when playing under AVB and Sherwood but their attitude totally changed under Pochettino. Indeed in his early days Pochettino had a reputation for improving players.
What concerns me about Mourinho is not that the usual suspects continue to disappoint - the likes of Winks, Sissoko etc - but the fact that most of the players in the squad seem to have stagnated under his management. Even the new guys we brought in this summer that we were all excited about look clueless as a team when we face anyone half decent. I agree that expecting Mourinho to get a tune out of some of the lesser quality players in this squad is probably asking too much. But that he can't get more from a team with the likes of Lloris, Reguilon, Højbjerg, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bale, Son, Kane etc should set alarm bells ringing.
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This sounds like a contradiction to me. So there’s plenty of other coaches that could get this squad playing better but it’s the players fault?
Moirinho is meant to be our leader and all I can see is that he’s overseeing a fractured squad that has no confidence, is playing with loads of fear and is generally playing well below its capabilities.
No doubt the players share responsibility on this too but the buck stops with the manager.
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It doesn't work like that. Players need coaching and guidance. They need to buy into the manager, and run through walls for him.
You'll be absolutely shocked when you see the upturn in form when a new coach comes in.
That said, we've seen certain players for what they really are, and those players need to be sold.
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And so will you be when in 18 months time those same players start delivering the same shit again. That's two managers running this has happened to and unless there's a clearout and changes to the whole attitude of the club, it'll happen to the next guy too.
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I’ll take an 18 month upturn in results for it then to go to shit. Better than it just getting shitter and shitter under Mourinho for the next 18 months.
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Enjoying the football then I take it?
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the manager is the fall guy for sure. but these players downed tools for poch as well. you can fault Jose for his dinosaur tactics and his fossil football. however you can't doubt his nous and his ability and desire to win.
what have these lot won? zilch. if they show half the desire of Jose. we wouldn't be in this sort of predicament now.
what have these lot won? zilch. if they show half the desire of Jose. we wouldn't be in this sort of predicament now.
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You'll get a bounce but the players will just default back to this after a while.
I have my reasons why I don't think that Jose is the man to take us forward but if you think the players are just gonna start to put in world beating performances consistently then you're in for a shock.
These are some the same players who got fed up with Poch and his training methods, now they are fed up with Jose, when the shit hits the fan for the new manager it's probably gonna happen again which more or less points to the attitude and mentality and culture of the club.
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I said in the same post that we need to clear out the wasters. It's the wasters who contribute to the whole attitude of the club. Players who are too big for their boots, who think they should be in the first team yet never ever put in a performance. It is imperative that is done, it is more important than a new manager, but both need to be done. One is useless without the other.
If the likes of Alli, Winks, Sissoko and Dier are still all here in 18 months, it will be obvious that as a club we are completely mismanaged.
It is very clear what needs to be done, but will the club (Levy) do it? The unique issue we have is the crucial english core at our club are the actual biggest problem.
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E17yid
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Poch was with us 6 years. Big difference between things reaching there natural conclusion and shit going stale after so long and it all going south after you’ve been through the door after a couple of seasons.
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I still can’t get my head round why he went with Dier and Sanchez at CB and a midfield of Winks and Sissoko from the start... And in such a crucial game to our season. That is unforgivable. Go out there with your strongest team, get that goal and then you can defend from there. It’s clear now that he’s lost the support of half of the squad and yet he still decided to go with those very same players on the night. Baffled by him and hugely frustrated, ‘twas a genuinely missed opportunity and he only has himself to blame imho.
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