Match Threads Arsenal vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 28

rez9000 · Mar 14, 2021

HedgieSpur said:
Its pretty simple actually. As the guardian of our club, does Levy believe Jose's performance as the manager of the team is commensurate with his remuneration? The nature of remuneration is almost always linked to skills, experience and performance. So his salary IS relevant when gauging his performance, because we can benchmark him against other managers who are paid less.

Even if you disagree, does my answer make sense?

The way you framed the statement suggests that because he's being payed so much, he is automatically going to get results. Thats' the not the case and so your statement bears no relevance.

Let me ask you in return - would you be more forgiving if Mourinho was doing the job for £1 million a year rather than £15 (which isn't even the amount he's being paid as that amount includes a shedload of performance bonuses)?

Locotoro · Mar 14, 2021

I'm fully supporting Mourinho. We went 5 wins on the bounce and all the critics are quiet. We lose one match against our rivals in arsenal where we are subject of a dodgy penalty and a dodgy red card and where the players clearly not at the races and once again people saying he's not the man for us. I wonder if those comments were made when we were steamrolling teams these last few weeks.

Either way, if Mourinho fails then Kane will be gone, he's not sticking around for another project, that's for sure. So I am unquestionably 100% behind Jose.

YB123 · Mar 14, 2021

People on here happy with Sanchez even though his rash challenge (pen or no pen) has cost us a goal.
Absolutely baffling. not sure if I admire the loyalty or question the delusion.The latter I think....

HedgieSpur · Mar 14, 2021

sebo_sek said:
Reading the "average players" comments, after we'd just won 5 in a row and only conceded one, after narrowly losing a game to a dubious penalty, I can only say that there is a whole pack of people just biting at the bit for us to lose so they can come out and have their tirade.

We were second best for large spells, and we controlled for large spells. They hit the woodwork twice, we hit the post and had a narrowly offside goal disallowed, they got a dodgy penalty - the difference that settled it. In all their control they really didn't create more than us.

I'm so sick of the neagtivity. Yes, Doherty is struggling massively, but we have a reborn Lamela and Moura. Some people will never be happy unless we win the quadruple.

....or it could be that some fans aren't happy when we lose having put in an abject performance.

Its really not splitting the atom stuff is it?

Sheesh...

ardiles · Mar 14, 2021

WiganSpur said:
I can tell you now we are not finishing 4th

3rd?

SpursTillIDie1882 · Mar 14, 2021

DarwinSpur said:
FUCK OFF FOOTBALL GODS

They've been ***** for decades

WiganSpur · Mar 14, 2021

Locotoro said:
I'm fully supporting Mourinho. We went 5 wins on the bounce and all the critics are quiet. We lose one match against our rivals in arsenal where we are subject of a dodgy penalty and a dodgy red card and where the players clearly not at the races and once again people saying he's not the man for us. I wonder if those comments were made when we were steamrolling teams these last few weeks.

Either way, if Mourinho fails then Kane will be gone, he's not sticking around for another project, that's for sure. So I am unquestionably 100% behind Jose.

I think that’s the point though isn’t it. The negative correlation between the magnitude of the game and the level of performance. Why weren’t the players at the races for a game like this?

chrissivad · Mar 14, 2021

yidboy123 said:
People on here happy with Sanchez even though his rash challenge (pen or no pen) has cost us a goal.
Absolutely baffling. not sure if I admire the loyalty or question the delusion.The latter I think....

Over 90mins he is having good games, but same category as Dier for me.

Can have a good game, but there is usually an error that costs us each game.

nico97531 · Mar 14, 2021

yidboy123 said:
People on here happy with Sanchez even though his rash challenge (pen or no pen) has cost us a goal.
Absolutely baffling. not sure if I admire the loyalty or question the delusion.The latter I think....

I have been pretty critical of Sanchez previously but he’s not the reason why we lost the game today

ralphs bald spot · Mar 14, 2021

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rez9000 said:
Which is precisely what he did. By bringing Sissoko on, it provided more cover on the right and that allowed for Doherty to move up the flank. That made sense. It made sense to choose Doherty and Bale initially as Tierney's adventurousness would leave that flank more vulnerable to Bale's threat. That Bale didn't present any threat bar that one magical cross (which came to nothing anyway), and with Arsenal looking more and more threatening in our defensive third, it was the perfect substitution. The problem with it was that the only player we could bring on was Sissoko.

Sissoko didn't change the pattern of the side he was a straight swop for where Ndombele was playing with the intention to give us more of a defensive pivot and more defensive nous in the middle - we had managed to stop some of the overload in the second half largely after they went in front when they didn't need to push on. The perfect substitution well we didn't have a grip on the game and created next to nothing. If he had to make changes they needed to be offensive and tactical. They weren't sadly

HedgieSpur · Mar 14, 2021

rez9000 said:
The way you framed the statement suggests that because he's being payed so much, he is automatically going to get results. Thats' the not the case and so your statement bears no relevance.

Let me ask you in return - would you be more forgiving if Mourinho was doing the job for £1 million a year rather than £15 (which isn't even the amount he's being paid as that amount includes a shedload of performance bonuses)?

Yes I would and Ill tell you why. Id be asking myself "for the money Im paying, is this the best I can get?". Given how we have been performing, the answer to the question is more likely no at £15m (i.e. we CAN get better) than at £1m.

rez9000 · Mar 14, 2021

yidboy123 said:
People on here happy with Sanchez even though his rash challenge (pen or no pen) has cost us a goal.
Absolutely baffling. not sure if I admire the loyalty or question the delusion.The latter I think....

It was one challenge. Some points to consider:

There's a debate to be had about the softness of the penalty;
Even if one hold him responsible for the challenge, he'd been playing well up till that point and continued to do so after;
He's been playing very well in the last few games alongside Toby.

rossdapep · Mar 14, 2021

ardiles said:
And he also said that some players were hiding today. I guess Bale would be one of those players that he was referring to.

...we need to keep Bale happy and focused. Calling him out isn't going to do a lot.

ardiles · Mar 14, 2021

rez9000 said:
Could be any number of reasons, but the selection makes perfect sense. The fact that Bale and Doherty had linked up very well in the last couple of games suggests that perhaps JM was relying on them creating on the right even if Tierney was a threat on that flank. Having Tierney may give Arse some pep higher up their left flank but it also exposes that flank at the back. With their sketchy centre backs being pulled in all sorts of directions by Bale, Kane and Son, it should have allowed us to carve them open time and again.

Instead what happened is that we went at it limp as a week-old fish, didn't give them anything to think about until they had taken control of the game and then Sonny went off and Bale seemed to disappear. Totally against the run of play we score a and instead of pulling our cojones up and actually going for the throat, we again go all limp and give them the chance to come back into the game.

Game over.

I think that if we had a more attacking (and pacier ) RB like Aurier, Tierney might not have been so adventurous attacking our right flank.

rez9000 · Mar 14, 2021

ralphs bald spot said:
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Sissoko didn't change the pattern of the side he was a straight swop for where Ndombele was playing with the intention to give us more of a defensive pivot and more defensive nous in the middle - we had managed to stop some of the overload in the second half largely after they went in front when they didn't need to push on. The perfect substitution well we didn't have a grip on the game and created next to nothing. If he had to make changes they needed to be offensive and tactical. They weren't sadly

That's precisely what I've said, ralph - what is it that you're arguing? I said that Sissoko was brought on to provide cover for the right so that Doherty could forward more. I didn't say he was brought on to be a right back, but to provide cover on the right so that Doherty could be more adventurous going forward and present some form of threat that Bale hadn't.

YB123 · Mar 14, 2021

rez9000 said:
It was one challenge. Some points to consider:

There's a debate to be had about the softness of the penalty;

Even if one hold him responsible for the challenge, he'd been playing well up till that point and continued to do so after;

He's been playing very well in the last few games alongside Toby.

But he makes a huge error in most games, as weve seen over the years. He simply cant be trusted.

Qualsonic · Mar 14, 2021

We started off so slowly and passively that I was saying to myself this is going to be explosive once they actually start pressing, countering and

ralphs bald spot said:
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Sissoko didn't change the pattern of the side he was a straight swop for where Ndombele was playing with the intention to give us more of a defensive pivot and more defensive nous in the middle - we had managed to stop some of the overload in the second half largely after they went in front when they didn't need to push on. The perfect substitution well we didn't have a grip on the game and created next to nothing. If he had to make changes they needed to be offensive and tactical. They weren't sadly

You can argue with Mourinho's approach to the game today, but not his substitutions.

rez9000 · Mar 14, 2021

ardiles said:
I think that if we had a more attacking (and pacier ) RB like Aurier, Tierney might not have been so adventurous attacking our right flank.

Ifs and buts. It's certainly possible, I happily acknowledge. But at the same time, it's very easy to say that after the game. Before the game, every single one of us was wetting our pants over the prospect of Bale tearing them a new one. Didn't happen. Does that mean that Mourinho was wrong to select him?

ardiles · Mar 14, 2021

stormfly said:
Luckily I missed huge chunks of the game today. What happened with Son and how bad is it?

It looked like he did his hammie. Luckily the International week is just around the corner.

SpursSince1980 · Mar 14, 2021

Dougal said:
Never his fault, obviously...

Now, now. No need for the sarcasm. I am not 100% foisting all the blame on the players, cos of course, the coach has a role to play in every game. But did you see how many misplaced passes there were? How passive Bale and Kane were? How puddled Tanguy looked? How we lost one of our key strikers 16 mins in? They had a rough go of it today. Some were clearly not up for it.

As my cousin just texted me:
’Was bale on qualudes?’

Just a strange game.

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