He's failing alright! We're failing as a club. We can see it on the pitch. There may be some weak-minded and entitled stuff going on with Jose too here; also, his refusing to put his own wants and desires below those of the wider objective. He's also the manager! The problems go deeper than Jose and the squad/players obviously.He may be failing, but he's failing because the group he has are weak-minded and entitled and they refuse to put their own wants and desires below those of the wider objective and no manager will be able to get them to do the work.
Bloody hell, I think about 80% of posts are from the same 5 or 6 people repeating the same stuff - is this what furlough does?
But if one applies just the tiniest amount of logic, it suggests the opposite of what you're saying about patterns of play and so forth.Yeah really. I could always see a plan with Poch’s team, even if the players weren’t always able to implement it. Beyond sitting deep and looking for Kane to Son I see no plan from Jose. Even when we were picking up results the football was awful. It just leaves me empty and numb. I never had these feelings with a Poch team - it was more just frustration that players would miss a final pass or get caught on the counter after a sustained attack. Now we just look like lambs to the slaughter.
Players looking shit scared with no fans in the stadium can only come from the manager. He’s created a culture where players are scared to make mistakes through fear of being dropped or thrown under the bus in the media. Yes, people can say the players shouldn’t be so weak minded, but there is a reason a lot of the modern day managers aren’t so hard line. You need to adapt and realise this style of man management doesn’t work as well now a days.
Saying all this I still don’t want Mourinho sacked, yet. If we fail to get a win against West Brom then I think his position will be untenable.
What year are you living in? ‘Turning boys into men’? You have about five international captains in the first team. Is it them or the dinosaur in charge leading them astray and sapping their creativity.
Would you be happy at work if you did nothing but spreadsheets all day?
He's the manager. It's his job to decide what the wider objective is. Not to agree on it by committee. A football club isn't a democracy. It's not supposed to be a fucking pluralistic commune with an Adjunct Subcommittee on Attacking Tactics that meets quarterly as long as it's quorate, for crying out loud!He's failing alright! We're failing as a club. We can see it on the pitch. There may be some weak-minded and entitled stuff going on with Jose too here; also, his refusing to put his own wants and desires below those of the wider objective. He's also the manager! The problems go deeper than Jose and the squad/players obviously.
I'd just like to see some good football, which this squad is capable of, despite its deficiencies...in all areas of the pitch. I'm not seeing enough evidence of Jose adapting to those realities to help us as a team. There could be many reasons for that.
I totally agree, it just makes reading through the thread a bit of a chore.I think the huge, gigantic gulf in people's expectations of what Mourinho would bring, which has existed since he came to the club, fuels a highly divisive atmosphere in here. You literally have people who believe he is the best, most ambitious managerial appointment we have ever made versus people who think he is one of the very worst managerial appointments we have ever made. And some people are so invested in their own position that almost nothing that could ever happen will change their view. That doesn't make for a very nuanced discussion.
This exactly. I always felt that Jose deserved a chance and despite the grumblings over tactics and player selections, people should remember that at the end of the day, he bears ultimate responsibility so therefore people should accept that those are his decisions.Is it Jose's fault? or the players fault? in the end its a sub plot. Its Jose's responsibility. The Manager always goes before the players.
Again, we had been on top for more than a week so what you said is still factually incorrect.
The point I made was that it obviously worked for a while from the start of the season until end of the year. I understand your frustration with Jose but please don’t tried to change the fact.
If it's the same 5 or 6 posters and to boot it's a chore, why bother reading, you'll know what you'll get, no?I totally agree, it just makes reading through the thread a bit of a chore.
Maybe we should hire Trump next then. Hear he's not working right now. This is getting silly.He's the manager. It's his job to decide what the wider objective is. Not to agree on it by committee. A football club isn't a democracy. It's not supposed to be a fucking pluralistic commune with an Adjunct Subcommittee on Attacking Tactics that meets quarterly as long as it's quorate, for crying out loud!
He sets the direction of travel, they obey. It is as simple as that.
How could I be a Spurs fan if I wasn't an eternal optimist? Like with Spurs I keep hoping for better and just like Spurs. . .If it's the same 5 or 6 posters and to boot it's a chore, why bother reading, you'll know what you'll get, no?
I generally agree with this. However, I was in neither. I wasn't thrilled initially but after thinking about it I could see the idea behind the important and really started to believe we might win something.I think the huge, gigantic gulf in people's expectations of what Mourinho would bring, which has existed since he came to the club, fuels a highly divisive atmosphere in here. You literally have people who believe he is the best, most ambitious managerial appointment we have ever made versus people who think he is one of the very worst managerial appointments we have ever made. And some people are so invested in their own position that almost nothing that could ever happen will change their view. That doesn't make for a very nuanced discussion.
Uh-huh. Right. Moving on.Maybe we should hire Trump next then. Hear he's not working right now. This is getting silly.
Hope springs eternal.How could I be a Spurs fan if I wasn't an eternal optimist? Like with Spurs I keep hoping for better and just like Spurs. . .
It's fine people, need to vent and it was a mistake of mine to read through the last 6 or 8 pages - I should just learn to skip.
Because of new rules you cannot approach a manager of another club mid season . So that leaves the interim manager as a way forward .
My choice would be Harry Redknapp at least it would not be like watching paint dry .
You raise some good points. I agree that what Poch did will be a contributory cause, as I've stated myself elsewhere.
The problem isn't what's causing them to do it - the problem is that they do it at all. This group has characters in it that feel it's appropriate to act in a fashion that will get the manager fired, damaging their own prospects of success as well as the manager's and the club's. No matter what's gone on, there's a line that can't be crossed.
Dele's been 'mistreated'? Because he got a bollocking? Alex Ferguson assaulted David Beckham during a half-time team talk. Remember the boot incident and the plaster over the eye photo? Beckham went for Ferguson in the dressing room and had to be held back. Did the rest of the squad down tools? No. They won the league that season.
He may be failing, but he's failing because the group he has are weak-minded and entitled and they refuse to put their own wants and desires below those of the wider objective and no manager will be able to get them to do the work. If I had my druthers, all the pre-Mourinho players would be shipped out and replaced, because it's all them.
EDIT: Also, isn't it funny how no one mentions Danny Rose and his freeze-out? No one weeps for Danny's career (not that I feel anyone should). No one questions Mourinho's man-management style when it comes to him.
West Ham play better football than us ffs