Ronwol196061
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Thanks that was confirmation of Pochs lack of nous.Just stuck in one discipline.He is a one trick pony.
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Thanks that was confirmation of Pochs lack of nous.Just stuck in one discipline.He is a one trick pony.
spursfan77
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Keane spot on here
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WiganSpur
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He will be back in the team upon his availability for selection, and there lies the problem.
mpickard2087
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Some of the complaints were crap - dropping deep and soaking up pressure is allowed, your striker might be isolated at times doing this, you wont have much possession and be forced to clear your lines often, etc. That wasn't the problem per se.
The problem was that after 15 mins we lost discipline and patience and focus. We started off with a 4-5-1 defensive shape spread across the pitch, Kane sat in providing an obstacle too so we had one nice unit behind the ball, with good spacing and Liverpool finding most attacking avenues blocked off. We'd nicked a goal and had a couple of counter opportunities, it was going alright.
Then we just abandoned it. Kane stopped getting in behind the ball more and more. Son and Eriksen either got too narrow and/or caught wandering away from their stations. Alli zoned out of proceedings. All of them fucked around with the ball and barbecued any openings that came our way. And, crucially, the relationships and communication between our wide defenders and midfielders were non-existent in managing the threat..... And from then on we just leaked far too many decent chances and passages of play to hold out.
But do you blame individuals for their faults, or Poch for just going through the motions? he's neither making changes or getting at those players on the pitch to focus and do their job. Personally I'd have got Ndombele on for Eriksen and just shunted Sissoko wider against Robinson, he'll do some defending and be able to burst forward to help counter. But whatever your preference, nothing changed and we just left Eriksen to get done again and again and again (and Son wasn't any better on the other side either).
There was a late rally and a spell of pressure in the last few mins, but the game, falling behind, kind of dictates you have a go at that point. Unfortunately this was one of those days, we've seen these in previous seasons, where Poch freezes and just does....... nothing..... as things slowly and predictably unfold in front of us. At times like this though, under pressure, its one of those days he cant really afford to have.
The problem was that after 15 mins we lost discipline and patience and focus. We started off with a 4-5-1 defensive shape spread across the pitch, Kane sat in providing an obstacle too so we had one nice unit behind the ball, with good spacing and Liverpool finding most attacking avenues blocked off. We'd nicked a goal and had a couple of counter opportunities, it was going alright.
Then we just abandoned it. Kane stopped getting in behind the ball more and more. Son and Eriksen either got too narrow and/or caught wandering away from their stations. Alli zoned out of proceedings. All of them fucked around with the ball and barbecued any openings that came our way. And, crucially, the relationships and communication between our wide defenders and midfielders were non-existent in managing the threat..... And from then on we just leaked far too many decent chances and passages of play to hold out.
But do you blame individuals for their faults, or Poch for just going through the motions? he's neither making changes or getting at those players on the pitch to focus and do their job. Personally I'd have got Ndombele on for Eriksen and just shunted Sissoko wider against Robinson, he'll do some defending and be able to burst forward to help counter. But whatever your preference, nothing changed and we just left Eriksen to get done again and again and again (and Son wasn't any better on the other side either).
There was a late rally and a spell of pressure in the last few mins, but the game, falling behind, kind of dictates you have a go at that point. Unfortunately this was one of those days, we've seen these in previous seasons, where Poch freezes and just does....... nothing..... as things slowly and predictably unfold in front of us. At times like this though, under pressure, its one of those days he cant really afford to have.
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Ronwol196061
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Its true but the fact that Poch set us up defensively gave them licence to push forward and the pressure was great from them generally.
The goal gave Poch hope that his decision was right and you know how he would have been stuck up his own arse with the idea his system was working when it clearly wasn't and we saw it as the game went on and he was too late making changes.With saying that Keane is right,I just don't think it was the whole thing about the game itself
There is a big big big job to do at Spurs.
Rose, Eriksen, Toby, Alli and Winks from today’s team and then Wanyama and Dier ... all simply not good enough at PL top-4 level any more.
As long as these players remain in the squad nor will we be.
That’s a huge overhaul - too huge to be solved in the next two transfer windows, especially if Poch is right and we won’t sign anyone in Jan.
Then there’s Poch himself. It must be frustrating for him - he knows key players either don’t want to stay or aren’t good enough to compete for top-4 but there’s nothing he can do about it. we just don’t have the quality because morale in the squad won’t be solved until those key uninterested players leave. He isn’t helping himself with his usual crazy team selections like playing Eriksen and keeping N’Dombele on the bench after his fantastic performance in the week though.
Now we find ourselves 4pts off the relegation zone with Everton next, who are also struggling big time. It’s effectively a 6-pointer for us.
Sheffield United who are good defensively after that.
Bogey team the Spammers after that.
The next three games could define our season because if we’re in a relegation fight by December I'm not convinced this team has the bottle to get out of it. We’ve been accused of being bottle jobs at the top of the table for 5 years remember, how would we fare with the pressure being at the bottom?
Rose, Eriksen, Toby, Alli and Winks from today’s team and then Wanyama and Dier ... all simply not good enough at PL top-4 level any more.
As long as these players remain in the squad nor will we be.
That’s a huge overhaul - too huge to be solved in the next two transfer windows, especially if Poch is right and we won’t sign anyone in Jan.
Then there’s Poch himself. It must be frustrating for him - he knows key players either don’t want to stay or aren’t good enough to compete for top-4 but there’s nothing he can do about it. we just don’t have the quality because morale in the squad won’t be solved until those key uninterested players leave. He isn’t helping himself with his usual crazy team selections like playing Eriksen and keeping N’Dombele on the bench after his fantastic performance in the week though.
Now we find ourselves 4pts off the relegation zone with Everton next, who are also struggling big time. It’s effectively a 6-pointer for us.
Sheffield United who are good defensively after that.
Bogey team the Spammers after that.
The next three games could define our season because if we’re in a relegation fight by December I'm not convinced this team has the bottle to get out of it. We’ve been accused of being bottle jobs at the top of the table for 5 years remember, how would we fare with the pressure being at the bottom?
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The thing is that Liverpool are very settled and have had the same team for almost 2 seasons. We will get better when the players we bought come into the team. It’s a very difficult time at the moment for us. I wouldn’t play Eriksen again because he doesn’t deserve to play. Hasn’t for a while. Ali was poor but ran and covered. Eriksen just wasn’t bothered. If it happened once you should be annoyed but 5 or 6 times it’s your fault surely.
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What are you even talking about?? There is nothing he can do about players wanting to leave....er stop playing them for players who actually want to play for the club.
This year yes. In total not even close
spids
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The bottom line is, and even Poch has said this in the summer, that we need to build a new team. Poch is clearly not the man to do this based on today’s team selection. He simply has to discard the players who want out and pick the team on form. He clearly does not acknowledge that the problems started back in February. I hoped that his team selection would follow on from what seemed a breakthrough against Red Star, but sadly not.
And Ndombele has been under Poch’s regime for over 2 months now, if he’s not match fit then Poch and his coaches are not doing a very good job.
And Ndombele has been under Poch’s regime for over 2 months now, if he’s not match fit then Poch and his coaches are not doing a very good job.
I agree with you that he doesn’t help himself, I said that in my post RE Eriksen / N’Dombele - but we have to take into account that he has a champions league campaign to ready squads for too.
From next Sunday we have three games in 6 days, he’s clearly having to take that into account when playing the likes of Rose over Davies for example.
Aurier over KWP and/or Foyth is very strange too.
But my point is the current squad situation would be frustrating for anyone in his position. He doesn’t have a massive amount of quality strength in depth as it is, let alone with your entire defence wanting to leave.
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Mattspurs1982
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To think we’re possibly two games away from a relegation fight (Everton / sheff United). The same team who reached the CL final. Poch has to go, and now.
Yes true would like to have seen Alli and Eriksen off at that point..
ILS
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But why does he have to swap full backs? Does Andy Robertson get swapped around every other game? He has created this whole you can't play players in two consecutive matches mentality.
He wants to be loved by the players and it just doesn't work. What other excuse does he have when starting Kane over Moura apart from the fact he wants to be Harry's mate. It's the same with Eriksen going out for a meal with him. It's pathetic.
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DenverSpur
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It’s not Winks that was the problem in the Mid 3 but Dele. Don’t understand the stick people give Winks. He always puts a shift in which is more than could be said for others. As long as I’ve followed Spurs - which is a long time - when we are playing badly it’s nearly always a homegrown player who becomes the scapegoat. Pathetic reflex attitude
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I never wanted to say this but I want a new manager now. Too many weird things happening.
stevenurse
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Son should have scored too. Just putting that out there
