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Hotspur33

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when you consider that Liverpool have gone from Europa league qualification to real title contenders and back to back CL finalists in one transfer window, it must be a source of frustration for Pochettino.
And he will look at the way Pool got the business done early and he will want that kind of backing.
Also I'm sure he will be putting pressure on Levy to boost wages.
 

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We have a debt of £638m to pay back. That was last summer. Fuck knows what it is now.
There was money to spend last Summer, there was money to spend in January, there will be 100% money to spend this Summer. Will it be as much as some of our rivals? Probably not, which is why we have to think very carefully about who we go after. if our only options are those who are wanted by Real, Barca etc we'll come up very short again.
I certainly hope we have money available. But history suggests otherwise.
No it just means we didn't buy for one reason or another.

My big hope is that the stadium and our status change for reaching the CL final could be the pull for the players Poch wants, but if it's not we could well be in trouble again.
 

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He wants to put pressure on levy and the board to match his ambition. Obviously feels he needs to.

I don’t quite buy that, we as Spurs fans go on about how they have such a good working relationship blah blah. I think we all know that you can’t strong arm Levy. Poch a year ago was singing from the same song sheet, “we have to do things differently”, “it means more for us as we do it the right way”. I hope I’m wrong but it seems either Poch has had his head turned or he suddenly sees his career somewhere else.
 

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There was money to spend last Summer, there was money to spend in January, there will be 100% money to spend this Summer. Will it be as much as some of our rivals? Probably not, which is why we have to think very carefully about who we go after. if our only options are those who are wanted by Real, Barca etc we'll come up very short again.
No it just means we didn't buy for one reason or another.

My big hope is that the stadium and our status change for reaching the CL final could be the pull for the players Poch wants, but if it's not we could well be in trouble again.

We sneed to be smarter for sure, we were linked to Maddison, he went for what £20m? Value is there and as much of a Levy fan I am, he needs to take a few educated risks. How much would Chilwell and Wan Bassa cost? Would be immediate improvements IMO.
 

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We sneed to be smarter for sure, we were linked to Maddison, he went for what £20m? Value is there and as much of a Levy fan I am, he needs to take a few educated risks. How much would Chilwell and Wan Bassa cost? Would be immediate improvements IMO.

Have no idea how much wan bassa would cost. Never heard of him. Neither has google it seems.
 

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There was money to spend last Summer, there was money to spend in January, there will be 100% money to spend this Summer. Will it be as much as some of our rivals? Probably not, which is why we have to think very carefully about who we go after. if our only options are those who are wanted by Real, Barca etc we'll come up very short again.
No it just means we didn't buy for one reason or another.

My big hope is that the stadium and our status change for reaching the CL final could be the pull for the players Poch wants, but if it's not we could well be in trouble again.


There are players out there that can make a difference for us that aren't wanted by Barcelona and Madrid. Salah? Firminio? Wijnaldum? Fabinho? Van Dijk?

There is quality out there. If we had the Leicester City fullbacks who were very affordable, we would instantly become a much stronger squad. The key is being clever and smart with our money but our scouting and eye for a player seems to have fallen off a cliff the last two years. Beggars belief we can't seem to identify and sign players who can improve our team.

I know it's boring, but Klopp and Liverpool are exactly what we should have been doing. They've hardly spent the earth. Klopp seems to see potential, and takes a punt, and it pays off. Poch seems to be unable to commit to taking a punt on a player, so we end up signing noone.
 

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Nothing's going to change unless ENIC sell to owners who have deeper pockets and prepared to really back the manager. Stadium, CL run etc are secondary unfortunately nowadays. If you don't pay up the money to agents to grease the wheels to get a move done in this highly competitive market, they'll go to someone who does - simple. Someone like N'Dombele might cost 65m-70m which the club may be prepared to spend if they get a big fee for Eriksen. However when you add on wages, signing on fees and probably a big agent fee, it suddenly starts looking very expensive and ENIC will walk away.

Truth is we will have money to spend this summer because we are likely to lose first team players who are actually worth something and wanted by other clubs. On top of that, we'll shift those that are clearly not good enough. However as I've said before, they'll never be a major net spend under ENIC.
 

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Thats just as concerning. I know there has been a fair bit on everyones plates particularly with the focus on the stadium and CL but I would have thought these things would have been discussed already. If you chat about it in June and they decide to part ways, then we already start off at a disadvantage.

If Poch and Levy agree a way forward then we are still at a disadvantage in getting players in etc.

Stuff like this takes time and discussions not just one meeting for an hour or two.

Either way - my view is something like a forward plan or strategy should be discussed on an ongoing basis and not just wait till June where whatever happens we could be at a disadvantage.
Levy and Poch are always in discussion which is why people shouldn't be worried. It's the end of the 5 year plan which is why Poch said they'll talk about what's the next plan. They were always going to discuss the next step at the end of the season. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.
 

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when you consider that Liverpool have gone from Europa league qualification to real title contenders and back to back CL finalists in one transfer window, it must be a source of frustration for Pochettino.
And he will look at the way Pool got the business done early and he will want that kind of backing.
Also I'm sure he will be putting pressure on Levy to boost wages.

how do you work that as 1 window, Klopp has been building his squad for nearly 4 seasons, and made a few wrong choices when it comes to keepers.

he got it right over the last 3 windows
 

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There’s a lot of posts in this thread about taking risks like Liverpool and making expensive signings. I think the one thing with Liverpool signing expensive players is it becomes less of a risk. Why? Because they have one of the best coaches in the world. This is also true of poch. Klopp, Poch and Guardiola are IMO the best at improving players in this league if not the world.

I think if poch is backed he will make a success of whoever he chooses.

There are constant claims that money was available for poch to spend but he refused. Surely this can only be because the money sanctioned is only to buy players like GKN or Jansen who haven’t worked out. I think poch has taken the approach that if he can not get the players he wants, he won’t buy.

Sounds to me like it could be a big summer. I’ve just read the interview poch did with some European paper a few days back where he claims that there were a few players in the summer that wanted to leave. That’s concerning but I’m sure we all know who they are. My only other worry is that poch is talking about sitting with levy after the champions league final but surely talks about funds and signings have already taken place if we are going to move for early for some of our targets?

True.

You'd like to think that Levy and Poch have a meeting every couple of weeks tbh.
 

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There was money to spend last Summer, there was money to spend in January, there will be 100% money to spend this Summer. Will it be as much as some of our rivals? Probably not, which is why we have to think very carefully about who we go after. if our only options are those who are wanted by Real, Barca etc we'll come up very short again.
No it just means we didn't buy for one reason or another.

My big hope is that the stadium and our status change for reaching the CL final could be the pull for the players Poch wants, but if it's not we could well be in trouble again.

That sounds a bit ominous... :unsure:
 

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There was money to spend last Summer, there was money to spend in January, there will be 100% money to spend this Summer. Will it be as much as some of our rivals? Probably not, which is why we have to think very carefully about who we go after. if our only options are those who are wanted by Real, Barca etc we'll come up very short again.
No it just means we didn't buy for one reason or another.

My big hope is that the stadium and our status change for reaching the CL final could be the pull for the players Poch wants, but if it's not we could well be in trouble again.

That doesn't sound great. The stadium and getting to the CL final won't be enough IMO.

We need to be smarter than we've been in the past. Everton, Wolves and Leicester have all bought good players in the last few years for comparatively affordable prices, who would have really improved the squad.

I get that we need to be bold, but we also need to be a little more creative
 

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There are players out there that can make a difference for us that aren't wanted by Barcelona and Madrid. Salah? Firminio? Wijnaldum? Fabinho? Van Dijk?

There is quality out there. If we had the Leicester City fullbacks who were very affordable, we would instantly become a much stronger squad. The key is being clever and smart with our money but our scouting and eye for a player seems to have fallen off a cliff the last two years. Beggars belief we can't seem to identify and sign players who can improve our team.

I know it's boring, but Klopp and Liverpool are exactly what we should have been doing. They've hardly spent the earth. Klopp seems to see potential, and takes a punt, and it pays off. Poch seems to be unable to commit to taking a punt on a player, so we end up signing noone.
Bring back Damian Comolli then :cautious:
I think we do need to change our scouting system though
 

dimiSpur

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I don't think Poch particularly cares about doing a Liverpool. By that, I don't mean he doesn't want to win the League by buying £50m+ players, I mean it's not the bottom line to him staying.

What he doesn't want, is the expectations to rise and the budget to remain the same, as he then feels frustrated and unfairly treated. How can you judge him in the same way as Pep or Klopp, when he has a shoestring budget compared to theirs? That's his issue I think. He dislikes the notion that he has to win something.

And that's where the quotes about leaving after the CL have come from. I think he's thought the expectations will be sky high after a CL win, when realistically, if we carry on with a reasonably low budget compared to our rivals, then a top four finish next season would be a realistic and good achievement in the real world, however people will fail to see it like that as we'll be Champions of Europe (my god the hairs on the back of my neck stood up just typing that).

So it's all about expectations with Poch and perception. He wants to be perceived as an over-achiever and rightfully so.
 

vegassd

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I don't think Poch particularly cares about doing a Liverpool. By that, I don't mean he doesn't want to win the League by buying £50m+ players, I mean it's not the bottom line to him staying.

What he doesn't want, is the expectations to rise and the budget to remain the same, as he then feels frustrated and unfairly treated. How can you judge him in the same way as Pep or Klopp, when he has a shoestring budget compared to theirs? That's his issue I think. He dislikes the notion that he has to win something.

And that's where the quotes about leaving after the CL have come from. I think he's thought the expectations will be sky high after a CL win, when realistically, if we carry on with a reasonably low budget compared to our rivals, then a top four finish next season would be a realistic and good achievement in the real world, however people will fail to see it like that as we'll be Champions of Europe (my god the hairs on the back of my neck stood up just typing that).

So it's all about expectations with Poch and perception. He wants to be perceived as an over-achiever and rightfully so.
I agree with the expectations thing. The big take away I got from his recent comments were that he would like it if the media and fans were aware of the actual objectives that he had been set by the club. He was tasked with getting us in the CL when the new stadium opens, so all the talk about "he hasn't won a trophy" is pointless because that wasn't a part of his official job designation. I can imagine it would be grating if you were out-performing what your boss asked of you but the rest of the world talked about you as some sort of failure.

Poch has talked before about speaking with Levy pretty much every day so my guess would be that they have a decent idea of their plans already. But there will still be parts of that plan which were contingent on how we finish the season (eg. qualify for CL) and what happens with Toby and Christian so it seems fair to not have everything in stone just yet.

I'm personally on board with the idea of not buying for the sake of it and focusing on players who will not just improve our squad but will improve our results. The Toby/Christian situation will dictate part of that just as our CL run will have hopefully helped it. But my feeling is that Poch wants to avoid a situation where we buy a big name player and then everyone believes we should instantly be winning the league. It would be unfair to judge him on that sort of achievement in that sort of timescale.
 
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