The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

IGSpur · May 1, 2019

Bryan-Waugh scored in the 2nd game for England u15s. He looks a lot shorter in comparison to his peers now think they've all caught up with him, still really stocky. Looks more like a RB as a result

ralphs bald spot · May 1, 2019

I know a little bit about the Roles situation but I can't say everything - the contract is up in the summer until about a month ago the situation was unchanged - there has been some interest from another club but a lot depends on them winning promotion that will now be through the play offs if at all - training and impressions made are almost as important as game time
I can't say anymore on a public forum we shall see

Tom Hep · May 2, 2019

ralphs bald spot said:
I know a little bit about the Roles situation but I can't say everything - the contract is up in the summer until about a month ago the situation was unchanged - there has been some interest from another club but a lot depends on them winning promotion that will now be through the play offs if at all - training and impressions made are almost as important as game time
I can't say anymore on a public forum we shall see

I know you can’t confirm nor deny, but that sounds like you could mean either Leeds, Portsmouth or Sunderland. It’s most likely Leeds I reckon.

al_pacino · May 2, 2019

Tom Hep said:
I know you can’t confirm nor deny, but that sounds like you could mean either Leeds, Portsmouth or Sunderland. It’s most likely Leeds I reckon.

Former Spurs coach Kenny Jacket is at Portsmouth.

guru · May 2, 2019

mark_2017 said:
Absolute madness.

I watched the game via Derby TV on Friday and all I can say is that I find it absolutely ludicrous that Roles has still not been offered a contract. What disturbs me even more is the lack of first team opportunities for him . The way he took his three goals the composure and the finish was remarkable for someone who seems to be so underrated at a club . Before anyone jumps down my throat and comes up with “maybe it’s his attitude “ , I and many others who follow youth have never heard a bad word said about Roles . I was actually told by someone Roles was top goalscorer for the under 16s , top goalscorer for the second year under 18s and top goalscorer for this years under 23s as a midfield player those are bloody good stats. I for one hope Roles is offered a new contract and he remains with us and is given first-team opportunities like others before him .

Spurzinho · May 2, 2019

guru said:
I watched the game via Derby TV on Friday and all I can say is that I find it absolutely ludicrous that Roles has still not been offered a contract. What disturbs me even more is the lack of first team opportunities for him . The way he took his three goals the composure and the finish was remarkable for someone who seems to be so underrated at a club . Before anyone jumps down my throat and comes up with “maybe it’s his attitude “ , I and many others who follow youth have never heard a bad word said about Roles . I was actually told by someone Roles was top goalscorer for the under 16s , top goalscorer for the second year under 18s and top goalscorer for this years under 23s as a midfield player those are bloody good stats. I for one hope Roles is offered a new contract and he remains with us and is given first-team opportunities like others before him .

Modern coaches are encouraged to have a philosophy. Long gone are the pragmatists (at the top of the game) who wing it, signing individuals and hoping that they deliver a bit of magic. For a philosophy to work you need to have a certain profile of the type of player that will fit into the squad. The fashionable phrase is DNA. A manager's philosophy and system are two different things. A philosophy is more general, more broad, than a system which is just the various tactical instructions seen as a whole. Through the various clues that we've had since he's been here Poch clearly sees determination for self-improvement - physical, mental and technical as an absolute prerequisite. He also values work ethic and a dedication to elite level fitness as vital. He also has a lot of trust in the opinions of his senior players. Youngsters are expected to earn the approval and respect of the seniors on the training ground. Its not enough to be a standout player at U18 or U23 level, you've got to train alongside the seniors, work as hard or harder than them and show that you can be trusted. Winks, Skipp and Marsh have all clearly shown themselves to be model professionals with the right balance of professionalism, respect and drive. You may like Poch's philosophy or you may not but we've got a significant sample size to be able to say that it is what it is and its likely to remain that way.

We could argue that it prejudices against attacking players but that needn't be the case. Maybe, Poch just wants his forwards to have, as a prerequisite, the same hunger and professionalism as the lads that play central midfield. Maybe Roles just hasn't shown the same level of dedication to improving his fitness and winning over the senior lads as he should have done. Who knows.

guru · May 2, 2019

Spurzinho said:
Modern coaches are encouraged to have a philosophy. Long gone are the pragmatists (at the top of the game) who wing it, signing individuals and hoping that they deliver a bit of magic. For a philosophy to work you need to have a certain profile of the type of player that will fit into the squad. The fashionable phrase is DNA. A manager's philosophy and system are two different things. A philosophy is more general, more broad, than a system which is just the various tactical instructions seen as a whole. Through the various clues that we've had since he's been here Poch clearly sees determination for self-improvement - physical, mental and technical as an absolute prerequisite. He also values work ethic and a dedication to elite level fitness as vital. He also has a lot of trust in the opinions of his senior players. Youngsters are expected to earn the approval and respect of the seniors on the training ground. Its not enough to be a standout player at U18 or U23 level, you've got to train alongside the seniors, work as hard or harder than them and show that you can be trusted. Winks, Skipp and Marsh have all clearly shown themselves to be model professionals with the right balance of professionalism, respect and drive. You may like Poch's philosophy or you may not but we've got a significant sample size to be able to say that it is what it is and its likely to remain that way.

We could argue that it prejudices against attacking players but that needn't be the case. Maybe, Poch just wants his forwards to have, as a prerequisite, the same hunger and professionalism as the lads that play central midfield. Maybe Roles just hasn't shown the same level of dedication to improving his fitness and winning over the senior lads as he should have done. Who knows.

Thank you for your response .
That maybe so , winning over the senior players , but let’s start by giving Roles a chance to do that , you can’t win people over unless given the chance and the point I am making here is that , there is not much indication that he has been allowed that chance . As someone recently quoted he has played with Jansen in some U23s games and seemed to have won his trust over , assisting each other’s goals . All I am saying is with those stats Why not give the lad a chance

Blake Griffin · May 2, 2019

shilow tracey was given a two year deal last summer, if he fits our "dna" but roles doesn't then i think we might have gone wrong somewhere.

Westmorlandspur · May 2, 2019

Spurzinho said:
Modern coaches are encouraged to have a philosophy. Long gone are the pragmatists (at the top of the game) who wing it, signing individuals and hoping that they deliver a bit of magic. For a philosophy to work you need to have a certain profile of the type of player that will fit into the squad. The fashionable phrase is DNA. A manager's philosophy and system are two different things. A philosophy is more general, more broad, than a system which is just the various tactical instructions seen as a whole. Through the various clues that we've had since he's been here Poch clearly sees determination for self-improvement - physical, mental and technical as an absolute prerequisite. He also values work ethic and a dedication to elite level fitness as vital. He also has a lot of trust in the opinions of his senior players. Youngsters are expected to earn the approval and respect of the seniors on the training ground. Its not enough to be a standout player at U18 or U23 level, you've got to train alongside the seniors, work as hard or harder than them and show that you can be trusted. Winks, Skipp and Marsh have all clearly shown themselves to be model professionals with the right balance of professionalism, respect and drive. You may like Poch's philosophy or you may not but we've got a significant sample size to be able to say that it is what it is and its likely to remain that way.

We could argue that it prejudices against attacking players but that needn't be the case. Maybe, Poch just wants his forwards to have, as a prerequisite, the same hunger and professionalism as the lads that play central midfield. Maybe Roles just hasn't shown the same level of dedication to improving his fitness and winning over the senior lads as he should have done. Who knows.

This philosophy stuff is quite amusing. We never heard this phrase in football until Louis Van Gaal arrived at Man Utd. Now everyone has a philosophy.

Spurzinho · May 2, 2019

Westmorlandspur said:
This philosophy stuff is quite amusing. We never heard this phrase in football until Louis Van Gaal arrived at Man Utd. Now everyone has a philosophy.

That's not true at all. Footballing philosophies are not new per se. They seem more modern to us because British managers were very slow to catch on but there have always been coaches who adhered to a philosophy. They may not have talked about it in public in quite the crass way that LVG did but it was there. Wenger had a philosophy, for example. (1) Scour Europe for the best youth and buy low, sell high. (2) Everyone should have the skillset of a no.10 and be able to play there. (3) Team ethic over individuality. By team ethic I mean an attitude conducive to keeping the ball and supporting your team mates in that endeavour. Players that took individual responsibility did not fit Wenger's DNA.

Locotoro · May 3, 2019

coys200 said:
Not sure what a deep playing forward is. But fowler was a an out and out striker. If anything I think Roles might have more chance as a poacher type striker he certainly knows where the goal is. I don’t think he’s really good enough to be competing with dele and eriksen as a 10 type.

Fowler's biggest quality was his movement and finishing. The expression out and out striker doesn't say anything about the style of the player other than that they shoot a lot. Deep playing forward would be someone like Scholes when he played as a forward. It wasn't quite a 10 but he'd having perfect timing to arrive into box and score

Westmorlandspur · May 3, 2019

Spurzinho said:
That's not true at all. Footballing philosophies are not new per se. They seem more modern to us because British managers were very slow to catch on but there have always been coaches who adhered to a philosophy. They may not have talked about it in public in quite the crass way that LVG did but it was there. Wenger had a philosophy, for example. (1) Scour Europe for the best youth and buy low, sell high. (2) Everyone should have the skillset of a no.10 and be able to play there. (3) Team ethic over individuality. By team ethic I mean an attitude conducive to keeping the ball and supporting your team mates in that endeavour. Players that took individual responsibility did not fit Wenger's DNA.

Westmorlandspur · May 3, 2019

Sol Campbell as a No 10. That would be quite something. Although he did play at centre forward in his youth.

Spurzinho · May 3, 2019

Westmorlandspur said:
Sol Campbell as a No 10. That would be quite something. Although he did play at centre forward in his youth.

That one was a bit of a free hit for Wenger and I'm not suggesting that AW's philosophy didn't change over time. It did. His first "group" was very different from the invincibles, was very different from his post Henry group and then his final group.

therhinospeaks · May 3, 2019

Blake Griffin said:
shilow tracey was given a two year deal last summer, if he fits our "dna" but roles doesn't then i think we might have gone wrong somewhere.

I have zero faith that any of our highly talented youth setup will get the opportunities required to become a first teamer. Roles needs to leave to forge his own path and somewhere like Pompey would be an excellent move for him.

coys200 · May 3, 2019

Walcott starts for England u17 I think at RB

shelfmonkey · May 3, 2019

Spurzinho said:
Modern coaches are encouraged to have a philosophy. Long gone are the pragmatists (at the top of the game) who wing it, signing individuals and hoping that they deliver a bit of magic. For a philosophy to work you need to have a certain profile of the type of player that will fit into the squad. The fashionable phrase is DNA. A manager's philosophy and system are two different things. A philosophy is more general, more broad, than a system which is just the various tactical instructions seen as a whole. Through the various clues that we've had since he's been here Poch clearly sees determination for self-improvement - physical, mental and technical as an absolute prerequisite. He also values work ethic and a dedication to elite level fitness as vital. He also has a lot of trust in the opinions of his senior players. Youngsters are expected to earn the approval and respect of the seniors on the training ground. Its not enough to be a standout player at U18 or U23 level, you've got to train alongside the seniors, work as hard or harder than them and show that you can be trusted. Winks, Skipp and Marsh have all clearly shown themselves to be model professionals with the right balance of professionalism, respect and drive. You may like Poch's philosophy or you may not but we've got a significant sample size to be able to say that it is what it is and its likely to remain that way.

We could argue that it prejudices against attacking players but that needn't be the case. Maybe, Poch just wants his forwards to have, as a prerequisite, the same hunger and professionalism as the lads that play central midfield. Maybe Roles just hasn't shown the same level of dedication to improving his fitness and winning over the senior lads as he should have done. Who knows.

Dele Alli seems to have binned all that.

Sweech · May 3, 2019

al_pacino said:
Former Spurs coach Kenny Jacket is at Portsmouth.

When was Kenny Jackett here?

Are you thinking of Wayne Burnett?

IGSpur · May 3, 2019

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/48105557
u17 game here, some talented players missing from the squad including Cirkin for some reason.

Btu still a lot of talent on show.

al_pacino · May 3, 2019

Sweech said:
When was Kenny Jackett here?

Are you thinking of Wayne Burnett?

Before he got the Pompey job, it was a few months only but he'd know Roles.

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