The Mauricio Pochettino thread
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He's saying that with this team and level of signings, its as far as he can take us.
I'm sure that with the next level of signings, Poch would be able to take us to the next level.
Phomesy
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I still don't understand or really believe a word of what you're writing.
If you are really a Spurs fan whose Grandad sat and told you about Bill Nich then you'd be over the fucking moon about the Poch years because it's the closest we've ever been since then to being a true powerhouse. You'd have lived through the 80's and the wasted Clive Allen 49 goal year when we truly did bottle the title.
Everything since then has been utter mediocrity - until Bale/Modric/King/VDV - and even that fizzled out with a whimper and DOES NOT COMPARE to what Poch has achieved these last 5 years.
Fucking hell. People just make history up these days...
Black
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Do you believe that?
I’m sure with the team we have we can challenge for the title
And we have our manager talking about another ten years
If Harry had this team..
CoopsieDeadpool
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What if Harry had this team?
He had VdV, Bale, Ekotto, King, Lennon, Modric, Walker, Kranjcar, Corluka, Crouch, Kaboul.....
And still didn't finish as high as we've managed recently, or qualify for CL footy as consistently.
However, he could slump equally as well as we're doing right now.
Lighty64
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you left out the WC and lack of preseason
I don't see this being mentioned enough, most of our squad have had to play on average 2 games a week since September with the exception of an FA Cup weekend break. yes some have had time off due to injuries but that's not really a break. Sonny has had the WC, the Asia Games, and the Asia Cup as well.as mentioned in the top4 thread, and might be mentioned in the next 5 to 6 pages, we haven't had a settled squad all season, and I'm not sure we have played our strongest XI with a decent bench for consecutive games. Liverpool where flying when they had a settled XI, Chelsea and Leicester both won the league playing the same starting XI week in, week out. Man City is very different because the depth they have, but they are also owned by 1 of the richest countries in the World.
Get real. Our starting eleven and squad is not good enough to challenge for the title. Do you think players like Winks, Sissoko and Trippier, Aurier etc. would get much playtime in Liverpool and Manchester City? The answer is no. We have some good players, that's for sure. But our starting eleven is weaker than the likes of Liverpool and Man City. With better CM:s and and better WB:s we would challenge for the title.
Lighty64
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if your that old, then you'll of noticed how football has changed. Both Chelsea and Man C have dominated much of football because of the money they have thrown at it from owners that want instant success, and can afford to do so without it effecting them as a business, though that might change with the investigations in to City, and the possible rule change for loaning players out.
our owners have invested into a stadium that hopefully means we will be able to match Liverpool, and Arsenal when it comes to wages. if we hadn't built the stadium we wouldn't be able to compete on the wages front. we was in the wrong place when football changed "PL & CL", and because of the money involved we have had to commit to trying to qualify for the CL ahead of winning an FA Cup or CoC, which will be even more important now with the new stadium.
We never signed payers in the last 2 windows, because we failed to sell enough players in the last 2 windows. we are suffering this season due to the lack of the transfer windows, a squad that are pretty much burnt out due to most of them not having a break between seasons, and struggled with injuries all season.
if you are that desperate for a trophy then you better hope UEFA and FIFA find a way to punish City and Chelsea under FFP, something Levy would never ever get close to breaking. the reason Poch came out with his 5-10yrs is because he knows that until the stadium is paid off, it's going to hinder us in the market, and also knows that this squad is going to need a rebuild in that time. in the summer Toby and Eriksen might be off, and will be hard to replace, he knows Lloris and Jan (only 1 year left on his contract) are now getting to an age where it will be harder. he knows we no longer have the strength in our FB/WB's, he knows we need a CM & CDM, he knows that Lamela and Lucas are not the level we need, and he knows it will be very difficult to buy a cover for Kane when/if he gets injured.
he knows we need investment, but he also knows that investment can't be done in 1 or 2 windows, and might take sometime to do it. yes not great for players like Kane and Alli who want to win trophies too, but I'm sure even they know to win trophies you need to have that bit of luck/fortune in the way the draw goes, to have a season where injuries aren't going to make it such a strain on all the team. no way could Liverpool or City coped with all the injuries we have had.
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Krule
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With all due respect selecting a team is one thing....getting them motivated to play is another. I doubt OGS would say Sir Alex told me to pick you so go out and win.
CoopsieDeadpool
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Oh of course. But Fergie has been making regular visits to the changing room before games, and is a regular at their training ground.
The guy is footballs equivalent of a horse whisperer.
Although the bulk of the blame for yesterday’s loss should be on the players that were involved in the match, however Poch should also shoulder part of the blame.
We’ve just had only a single point from a possible twelve from our last four PL games and we will be having a three week break (from club duties) after yesterday’s match and I’d have expected Poch to put out his strongest available side out or at least on the bench, and available if needed . According to some reports, Toby & Aurier we’re neither ill nor injured. We should have made an attempt to stop the recent poor run of PL results by using our strongest available squad. Toby should have started and Aurier maybe started or on the bench.
I really like Poch and would want him to be at this club for a long time but he should practise what he preaches and ‘be brave’. Stop being so rigid with the systems he uses and don’t be afraid of dropping players (even for only a game or two) if they have not been performing at their best levels in the last few games.
We’ve just had only a single point from a possible twelve from our last four PL games and we will be having a three week break (from club duties) after yesterday’s match and I’d have expected Poch to put out his strongest available side out or at least on the bench, and available if needed . According to some reports, Toby & Aurier we’re neither ill nor injured. We should have made an attempt to stop the recent poor run of PL results by using our strongest available squad. Toby should have started and Aurier maybe started or on the bench.
I really like Poch and would want him to be at this club for a long time but he should practise what he preaches and ‘be brave’. Stop being so rigid with the systems he uses and don’t be afraid of dropping players (even for only a game or two) if they have not been performing at their best levels in the last few games.
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Everlasting Seconds
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Pochettino’s user this?
Monkey boy
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It’s worse than that, it’s 1 from 12
Its just unbelievable how we have performed in the league last four games. Had we even dug in and got a draw out of Burnley, Chelsea and Southampton we b big favourites for top 4.
Oh yes, my mistake. Will edit my last post. Thanks.
Spot on! His tactical substitutions are too late in the games to have any major impact.
I’m pretty confused how to feel at the moment. Yes the last 4 have been disappointing. But on the whole I think we’ve actually played ok. With a reasonable draw on Friday there’s every chance we could go into the international break still 3rd and a realistic pop at a CL semi final.
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He looks completely deflated. He is coming across as a man who has had enough. There are lots of excuses being made and he is contradicting a lot of his previous statements.
While some of the excuses he is making are valid, I don’t think it is something he should be doing in public particularly as it is having an impact on the team.
I’ve never understood his public statements about his lack of desire to win cups or that we are 10 years away from winning the league. Very odd thing to do. Also this flirting with other jobs and not committing to us is a little frustrating and unsettling.
I love Poch. He has been amazing. And he has been working in difficult circumstances throughout his tenure.
However, year afte year, the team has fallen away late in the season or missed huge opportunities. We are consistently good but you would never back us to win a game we needed to in either a cup or the league. That mentality comes from the top (you could include a levy at that).
I think he needs to work out in his own mind what he wants. If that is with us, give 100% and reset his own mindset and a wholesaled refresh of the squad. If not, then leave and go and achieve what you need to elsewhere.
I want him to stay. I think he is right for the club long term. But if he doesn’t want to be here, we may find someone else who can deliver what we want.
While some of the excuses he is making are valid, I don’t think it is something he should be doing in public particularly as it is having an impact on the team.
I’ve never understood his public statements about his lack of desire to win cups or that we are 10 years away from winning the league. Very odd thing to do. Also this flirting with other jobs and not committing to us is a little frustrating and unsettling.
I love Poch. He has been amazing. And he has been working in difficult circumstances throughout his tenure.
However, year afte year, the team has fallen away late in the season or missed huge opportunities. We are consistently good but you would never back us to win a game we needed to in either a cup or the league. That mentality comes from the top (you could include a levy at that).
I think he needs to work out in his own mind what he wants. If that is with us, give 100% and reset his own mindset and a wholesaled refresh of the squad. If not, then leave and go and achieve what you need to elsewhere.
I want him to stay. I think he is right for the club long term. But if he doesn’t want to be here, we may find someone else who can deliver what we want.
Poch blames the players for being arrogant, but if Poch had instilled enough urgency in the players before the game, or at the very least had a firm half time talk about how they might come out a stronger side in the second half, I don't think the players would have been quite so casual or overconfident. Also Poch didn't choose his best XI at his disposal, and this might have also sent the wrong message to our players or affected their mentality on a subconscious level that this was going to be an easy win.
Yes, I know that this shouldn't have affected their performance regardless, I am not giving them an excuse, but this shows Poch was just as much part of the "mentality" issue we have, in that he was arrogant enough to leave out certain key players, starting academy/young players who haven't had substantial game time, by choosing not to be more proactive even after they made two subs at HT, etc.
And his biggest mistake yesterday was switching to the diamond and hoping that we would still turn it around when we don't exactly have a good track record.
Also I can't shake off the feeling that all these negative comments Poch has been making are hurting our team morale. Certainly, something has to change, but wouldn't it be more effective if he approached the issue less publicly?
Yes, I know that this shouldn't have affected their performance regardless, I am not giving them an excuse, but this shows Poch was just as much part of the "mentality" issue we have, in that he was arrogant enough to leave out certain key players, starting academy/young players who haven't had substantial game time, by choosing not to be more proactive even after they made two subs at HT, etc.
And his biggest mistake yesterday was switching to the diamond and hoping that we would still turn it around when we don't exactly have a good track record.
Also I can't shake off the feeling that all these negative comments Poch has been making are hurting our team morale. Certainly, something has to change, but wouldn't it be more effective if he approached the issue less publicly?
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