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SpursDave88

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Gb160 said:
He had an injury...did u miss that bit?
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Then play Jan there and put Wimmer in or go to a back 4. Chelsea had injuries too.

I think it's important to focus on what we did with the options we had, rather than the options we didn't.

Rose was injured, as was Davies (apparently).

Given this, could we have set up better than we did?

I would say yes.
 
spursfan77

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TaoistMonkey said:
carragher has nailed it to be fair. Not much more to be said....

"Spurs the better team but Chelsea have a ruthless streak that Spurs lack to get over the line in big games. #CHETOT"
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It's called experience. Poch said so this week when he mentioned that they have World Cup winners in their squad.

Lots of posters have asked for experience signings 2 of the last summer Windows. We need one now.
 
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Having saw the line up initially I thought Jan was at left back the way it was listed as Trippier, Toby, Dier, Jan with Wanyama and Dembele in the two Son Eriksen Alli behind Kane moving around as they do.

I was concerned when Davies wasn't in the starting XI, even more so when Walker came on and Trippier went to the left.
 
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SpursDave88 said:
Then play Jan there and put Wimmer in or go to a back 4. Chelsea had injuries too.

I think it's important to focus on what we did with the options we had, rather than the options we didn't.

Rose was injured, as was Davies (apparently).

Given this, could we have set up better than we did?

I would say yes.
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Was Davies injured?
 
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scottlag10

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No one to blame but ourselves for yesterday. MP had a big decision to make yesterday regarding Son, does he drop him to play a system that worked well when we beat CFC in Jan or does he play him and stick with the 4 at the back as of late where we have looked imperious playing it. What he chose to do is what cost us the game....

IF Davies was injured, as some have speculated, then either MP had to bring in Wimmer to play left hand side of the 3 with Vertonghen playing LWB or we go to a flat 4 with Vertonghen playing LB. To play a attacking midfielder/striker, with no defensive mind to his game, as a LWB was a accident waiting to happen. I don't blame Son for giving that pen away as he's not a bloody defender and he's made a attackers challenge. Moses may have made a meal of it but the way Son went to ground he made Moses decision easy for him. If the boot was on the other foot you don't think Alli would have bought us a pen in that same situation?
Our lapses in concentration at the back also cost us the game just like they have all season in the big games. We get away with them in the lesser games against the dross but when you play the better teams they will punish you just like they have done all season. It is no coincidence we have failed to win any big game away this season and almost all of them defeats have been down to defensive lapses.

Our one true chance of winning a trophy this season thrown away by a suicidal team selection and lack of concentration at the back. By next season it will be TEN YEARS since we won a trophy, dress that how you want but that is just not good enough. Nobody remembers losers and for all the good we have done the last 20 months that is just what we still are,but don't stress next year will be our year right.......

p.s. Before you lot start bitching about other teams fans/pundits calling us legends think to yourself have we given them any reason for not thinking that....?
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We are all bitterly disappointed and frustrated mate but at least this Spurs team is seriously challenging for honours and playing some great football. If like me you've had to watch some of the shit we've had to put up with over the last 20+ years including watching the likes of kerslake, scott, cundy, Vega, Dominguez, saib, berti, dozzell, nethercott,bunjevcecic, Reid, Doherty, Thatcher, acimovic, pamarot, atouba, Edman, mido, ghaly, Rocha, tramezzani etc. you'd appreciate just what we've got now.
However I do feel/concede that we need to win something soon to keep this team together.
 
Spurzinho

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sunnydelight786 said:
No one to blame but ourselves for yesterday. MP had a big decision to make yesterday regarding Son, does he drop him to play a system that worked well when we beat CFC in Jan or does he play him and stick with the 4 at the back as of late where we have looked imperious playing it. What he chose to do is what cost us the game....

IF Davies was injured, as some have speculated, then either MP had to bring in Wimmer to play left hand side of the 3 with Vertonghen playing LWB or we go to a flat 4 with Vertonghen playing LB. To play a attacking midfielder/striker, with no defensive mind to his game, as a LWB was a accident waiting to happen. I don't blame Son for giving that pen away as he's not a bloody defender and he's made a attackers challenge. Moses may have made a meal of it but the way Son went to ground he made Moses decision easy for him. If the boot was on the other foot you don't think Alli would have bought us a pen in that same situation?
Our lapses in concentration at the back also cost us the game just like they have all season in the big games. We get away with them in the lesser games against the dross but when you play the better teams they will punish you just like they have done all season. It is no coincidence we have failed to win any big game away this season and almost all of them defeats have been down to defensive lapses.

Our one true chance of winning a trophy this season thrown away by a suicidal team selection and lack of concentration at the back. By next season it will be TEN YEARS since we won a trophy, dress that how you want but that is just not good enough. Nobody remembers losers and for all the good we have done the last 20 months that is just what we still are,but don't stress next year will be our year right.......

p.s. Before you lot start bitching about other teams fans/pundits calling us legends think to yourself have we given them any reason for not thinking that....?
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Son was not playing left back or left wing back. He was not given a defensive brief, quite the opposite. He was in the side to specifically to drive into the final third and pin Moses back into Chelski's right back zone where Moses does not want to be. Did Son do a good job? no, not really, but Moses is one of the most form wingers/wing backs in the country right now. We were not outplayed, we were not out thought, we were not out fought, we did however lack composure when it mattered in both final thirds. Its something we've needed to work on for the longest time. We require a lot of chances to score, we waste a hell of a lot of chances. This is partly because of the tempo at which we play and secondly because our numbers in the final third often lead to congestion. We're fine against sides like Stoke who are ragged and we can pull them apart leaving gaps but a lot of sides like Chelski will not meaning its a sea of bodies back there and a lot harder to get a clean shot on target. The same cannot be said down at our end. On the rare, and it is rare, occasions that an opposition gets at our defence we always look vulnerable. our strength is stopping teams getting at us but we're shockingly poor when they do because our system leaves us so short handed. The Opposition find themselves with time and space to get a shot at goal, quality players can make us pay. That was story of yesterday. Chelski packed their defensive third and we created but wasted a lot of half-chances. Chelski created hardly anything but had 4 clear cut chances and took all four. Did they miss any, I can't remember one.
 
TheHood

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Led's Zeppelin said:
You can't blame the players or the manager in today's game for the failings of the previous 26 years.

They are a better team than any other in the country with the possible exception of Chelsea, one of the two richest clubs in the world, and they put the shits up them for long periods of today's game and much of the season. And they are improving.

They are demonstrably better than teams that cost many tens of millions more to assemble, who draw far higher wages across the board, play in much larger stadia, hire the world's most expensive managers and have far more experience and yet would happily trade league positions with Spurs and would probably swap all their best players for ours given half a chance.

We are improving steadily each year. More points, fewer defeats, score more, concede less year on year.

Yes. We lost a match.
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Who is blaming them for the failings of the last 26 years?The criticism is that they are adding to this especially when the talent is there to reverse this. That is the point here, we have failed to take the opportunity during the Redknapp era and we are rapidly doing the same again.

The club has had 2 sides sides that included Modric, Bale, King, VDV, Ali, Loris, Ali, Kane, Eriksen to name a few in the last decade and has no silverware to show for it ( and hasn't looked like winning anything that period).

There is a trend here and questions should be asked as to why that is? Why should we have little to no expectations about winning things and be so blaise about that when we have such a talented side? The whole wealth argument keeps on being wheeled out but competently ignores the fact that the increased capacity of the elite clubs isn't translating onto the pitch at present.

We have arguably the best playing side in the league so the likes of City, Chelsea and United having greater resources is irrelevant at this moment. And besides I don't remember anyone criticising the club when Leicester, a clubs whose resources are well below us finished above us last season. I haven't heard anyone question how Sevilla a club with significantly less resources wins 5 UEFA cups but we cannot get past the second round stage of that tournament. Absolute silence then.

This side will break up in the next few years, that is what consistently happens to clubs of our standing so we have to take advantage of what we have now so no it not just us losing a game. It is about us missing out on a massive opportunity to capitalise on what we have at this time.
 
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TheHood said:
Who is blaming them for the failings of the last 26 years?The criticism is that they are adding to this especially when the talent is there to reverse this. That is the point here, we have failed to take the opportunity during the Redknapp era and we are rapidly doing the same again.

The club has had 2 sides sides that included Modric, Bale, King, VDV, Ali, Loris, Ali, Kane, Eriksen to name a few in the last decade and has no silverware to show for it ( and hasn't looked like winning anything that period).

There is a trend here and questions should be asked as to why that is? Why should we have little to no expectations about winning things and be so blaise about that when we have such a talented side? The whole wealth argument keeps on being wheeled out but competently ignores the fact that the increased capacity of the elite clubs isn't translating onto the pitch at present.

We have arguably the best playing side in the league so the likes of City, Chelsea and United having greater resources is irrelevant at this moment. And besides I don't remember anyone criticising the club when Leicester, a clubs whose resources are well below us finished above us last season. I haven't heard anyone question how Sevilla a club with significantly less resources wins 5 UEFA cups but we cannot get past the second round stage of that tournament. Absolute silence then.

This side will break up in the next few years, that is what consistently happens to clubs of our standing so we have to take advantage of what we have now so no it not just us losing a game. It is about us missing out on a massive opportunity to capitalise on what we have at this time.
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You should blog about it, what any of this has to do with Spurs losing yesterday is beyond me.
 
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jimmy-jojo

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I said Danny Rose being injured is the difference between wing and losing that match and so it proved, can't really blame Poch for trying to utilise something different, he can online use the tools at his disposal I guess.

We need to get Rose back on the pitch though.
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The problem is that he didn't use the tools at his disposal appropriately. If Davies was injured, the tool to use at LB/LWB was Vertonghen.

I'm not even sure Davies was injured as I get the feeling that Poch was trying to shoehorn Dier, Demblele, Wanyama and Son all into the same team.

I'm sure he will learn from this...he got outsmarted by Conte yesterday. It was the equivalent of 'rope a dope'.

We've got to move forward quickly and ensure CL for next season as soon as posssible. If that happens then it will still be an excellent season!
 
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TheHood said:
Clearly
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You just keep repeating the same stuff over and over in a rehashed way each time saying the exact same thing in a different order. Quality narritive, do you write for the Mirror in your spare time?
 
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jimmy-jojo said:
The problem is that he didn't use the tools at his disposal appropriately. If Davies was injured, the tool to use at LB/LWB was Vertonghen.

I'm not even sure Davies was injured as I get the feeling that Poch was trying to shoehorn Dier, Demblele, Wanyama and Son all into the same team.

I'm sure he will learn from this...he got outsmarted by Conte yesterday. It was the equivalent of 'rope a dope'.

We've got to move forward quickly and ensure CL for next season as soon as posssible. If that happens then it will still be an excellent season!
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So you're saying he wasn't injured?
 
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