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Opinion of AVB in hindsight?

SUIYHA

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In his second or third game we played Norwich at home, who were clearly going to stick ten men behind the ball and play for the draw, and he started a 4-5-1 with Sandro and Livermore as two defensive midfielders hoofing long balls up to Defoe who was playing on his own up front and being marked by the entire Norwich team. From that moment on I had major doubts about him.

The one thing he did VERY well was get the best out of Bale. But otherwise he was atrocious. We've had some dreadful tacticians running our club at times and he was arguably the worst of all. He kept picking his "system" regardless of who was fit and available and whether they were suitable to play in it. We'd go 1-0 up and be dominating a game and then he'd sub off all our best attacking players for defensive ones and shut up shop, hand the momentum back to the opposition who would score and then he'd sit there gormlessly wondering why the defensive players couldn't get a goal back. Our players stopped making off the ball runs, they just stood there and passed it sideways across the pitch amongst each other before eventually someone got bored and tried a long shot from 30 yards. Bale aside, the rest of the players left over from the Redknapp era badly regressed under him. It wasn't his fault that he lost Modric, VdV and Bale, but it was his fault to get rid of Kranjcar and Huddlestone as well and to replace them all with slow players that couldn't play pass and move football instead of anyone with any real creative flair.

From all of the other managers that Levy has sacked, I felt a tinge of regret for all of them except Sherwood who was clearly only meant to be a temporary fix so I felt nothing, and Graham, even though I thought he should have seen off the cup semi-final first. I punched the air when I heard AVB had been sacked. Christian Gross has won a lot of trophies in tinpot leagues too, I wonder if anyone can argue why if he'd had AVB's squad whilst AVB had had to rely on Vega, Sinton, Wilson, Calderwood, Fox, Walker and co, they'd have faired any differently?
 

guy

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His second season was the first time I was close to boycotting watching Spurs games due to how dull we played.

For me that is the best indicator.

Ps
:Dat the "achievement" of a 1/4 final EL loss
 

Xeeleeyid

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His first season was good. There was a lot there to build on. Unfortunately i think he probably grew frustrated over what appears to be a significant separation between who he expected us to sign and the reality of who we could or were willing to sign. I think as at Chelsea he let any boardroom frustrations spill over onto the training pitch and affect his relationship with the players. It created a bad unsustainable atmosphere resulting in deteriorating performances and his eventual sacking.

Contrast that to our successful recent managers, Redknapp and Poch. Levy is Levy and his transfer committee is the transfer committee. I think Poch signed off on Sissoko, NKoudou and Janssen but i can tell he's hardly convinced by them. But he's not kicking up a fuss or blaming anyone or getting bitter or resentful he's just getting on with it.
 

Mullers

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i think it is pretty hard to argue that we haven't
If we ignore the gray and look at success as purely winning the prem trophy and any other trophy then we have been failures for most of our history along with many other clubs, it certainly doesn't belong to the domain of AVB.
 

Mullers

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It's the 1/4 final.
He got there above others because he tried and he still ONLY got to the 1/4 final, only to lose to some shit from Switzerland.

It's embarrassing!
Well that some shit side from Switzerland beat Chelsea home and away later on that year.

The last time we beat Chelsea home and away was 86 - 87.

Now that's embarrassing.
 

Mullers

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His second season was the first time I was close to boycotting watching Spurs games due to how dull we played.

For me that is the best indicator.

Ps
:Dat the "achievement" of a 1/4 final EL loss
Losing isn't what I am saying is the achievement, the achievement is reaching the quarter final stage.
What do you recognize as achievement?
 

Sarsipius

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His second season was the first time I was close to boycotting watching Spurs games due to how dull we played.

For me that is the best indicator.

Ps
:Dat the "achievement" of a 1/4 final EL loss

This. AVB was the only time in 30 years of supporting THFC that I felt it just wasn't worth it anymore.

The football was terrible, the very antithesis of to dare is to do. He became completely reliant on the brilliance of Bale but generally we stagnated as a club.

I wouldn't be surprised if that contributed to Gareth wanting to leave.

Anyway thank fuck we have Poch now. If we had Bale in this team we'd be winning the league at a canter (and the rest).
 

guy

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Losing isn't what I am saying is the achievement, the achievement is reaching the quarter final stage.
What do you recognize as achievement?

Winning trophies is the only proper achievement.

Qualifying for the champs league is the next best thing
 

kaz Hirai

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He did have a hard time changing the way we play, a whole season in fact. and a lot of that I think were from bad habits picked up under AVB.

AVB wasn't a terrible manager, but he was dull.


Can we also nip two myths in the bud.

He didn't make our defense better. In 2011-12, with that famous CB paring of Kaboul and Gallas we coincided 41 goals.
In fact In the whole harry Redknapp era (including 8 games under Ramos)the stats read.

2008-2009 - 43 goals con. (finished 8th)
2009-2010 - 41
2010-2011 - 46
2011-2012 - 41

Under AVB

2012-2013 - 46
2013-2014 - 22 in 16 games (projected total under AVB, 52)

So in other words, AVB's defense was equal to the worst season under Redknapp in his first season, and was seemingly getting worse. Not exactly a better defense.

Secondly, that losing VDV was a mitigating circumstance.

AVB didn't really fancy him. I quote;

"It was private things, but also when what's his name [Andre Villas-Boas] came he said to me 'you're not my number one' and I had played two years, like, unbelievable, so for me it was really strange that he said that to me. So then I said, well, it's better to leave and that is what happened.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rafael-van-der-vaart-exclusive-6113007

Good decision imo.

Vdv was close to done at this level. Barely lasted 50 mins before he was spent or pulled a muscle.

It was time to bring in the fresh blood of siggurdson. If Raph wasnt comfortable with the idea that he wasn't guaranteed a start anymore and didn't want to fight sig for that spot then too bad

AVB also made it clear to Dawson he wasn't his number 1. What did Michael do, didn't bitch and run off, worked hard and made himself a key player again.

Wonder how long Vdv would have lasted with Poch with that attitude... Exile or death!
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I remember a home game v hull we won 1-0 with a dodgy penalty our performance was very bleak

I was at that game.
Hull time wasted from the kick off. The only highlight was scoring late on meaning suddenly they were rushing. Ball went out for a GK to them but a fan in the south stand wouldn't give the ball back.
Their keeper, the worst offender for time wasting was going metal.

Then that **** AVB blamed the fans for the dull performance. I was losing faith before then but that killed it dead to me. Utter prick.
 

guy

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Do you recognize reaching the quarter final of the CL as an achievement?

Certainly more of an achievement that 1/4s of the Europa.

Really though, reaching any 1/4s is hardly going to be remembered in 10 years is it?
 

tototoner

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My feelings for him are pretty simple. The results were OK, the performances were awful and he came across as a thoroughly unpleasant little man who thought a lot more of himself than anyone else did. I call that last part Alan Pardew syndrome.
 

TwanYid

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Everyone can talk, argue and present their facts (or alternative facts in the case of AVB supporters). The only thing I have to say is this: at the end of Andre Villas-Boas' tenure, so awful was the level of football that- for the first time ever in my 15 years of supporting Spurs- I was beginning not to care. I remember literally watching games by having them on in the background but hardly even looking up at the screen. I felt zero affinity for the club because what I saw on the pitch was so thoroughly toilet. Yes, I loved the great wins (the victory at Old Trafford being the best imo), but in the last year of his reign I started thinking about adopting a League 2 team.
 

Mullers

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Certainly more of an achievement that 1/4s of the Europa.

Really though, reaching any 1/4s is hardly going to be remembered in 10 years is it?
Of course it is, it's the top competition.
You acknowledge it's an achievement though. So if that is an achievement so is the quarter final of the Europa.

I think the CL 1/4 will be remembered by us. The rest of football forgot that long time ago.
 

Mullers

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I think not getting Moutinho and or Willian was a massive blow to him. Replace a world class player like Modric with Dembele any team would suffer. He couldn't get rid of Adebayor either. So that was another milstone around his neck.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Results-wise AVB did a really good job. Especially considering the fact he lost 3 key players in King, Modric and VDV(who wouldn't accept having to fight for his place like any other professional). He also had most of the media against him after the Chelsea debacle. And on top of that he was following the media's favourite gobshite Redknapp. So he was really up against it. But despite all this his first season we marginally missed out on the top four and even when he was sacked we were top 6.

I feel the way he was constantly hammered in the press had a knock-on effect to fans who then tended to exaggerated how bad our performances were under him. In my opinion I don't think we played anything better than functional football but I don't know what anyone was expecting with Dempsey, a disinterested Adebayor and a lead footed Siggurdson as our attacking options. Building the team around Bale was absolutely the right thing to do in that situation. In fact, I doubt Redknapp would have faired any better with that team - especially as he was insistent on listening to the fans chants of 'he plays on the left' in regards to Bale.

In the end I don't think AVB was great but there were a lot of mitigating circumstances that fans seem to forget when lining up to slate him.
 

whitesocks

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... He couldn't get rid of Adebayor either. So that was another milstone around his neck.
AVB wanted Adebayor in the first place!

I used to wonder if Harry would have signed him permanently. He specialised in getting another lease of life from troubled players as he knew what made them tick.
I think he knew Adebayor on loan and keen to prove a point would be good value, and indeed he so nearly helped get us CL footy again. But I don't think he would have risked making him permanent.

Adebayor created havoc with far more experienced managers than AVB, but he was certainly naive and a bit arrogant to think he could tame him.
 
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