New Stadium Details And Discussions

widmerpool said:

Probably a stupid question but I'll ask, anyway. Why are the first two tiers made of concrete and the third of meccano? Is there a varying trade-off between stability and weight at different heights in a superstructure, or is there some other reason?

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The Scarecrow said:

I'm hardly an expert, but i have some background in structural engineering, so I'll give you my take on it.

The most basic thing is stability. If you stack coins, you want the heavier coins at the bottom and the lighter at the top.

Secondly, there's a difference between compressive and tensile stress. My assumption is that there's a higher share of compressive stress at the bottom than at the top, and concrete has an incredible compressive capacity. Its tensile strength, on the other hand, is next to nothing, which is why reinforcements are needed.

Now reinforced concrete is, generally speaking, the best, cheapest and most applicable construction material there is. That's why it's so widely used. But it's also very heavy, which means that the dead load from the concrete contributes a lot to the total load on the structure. So if there's a high share of tensile loads in a part of the construction, the use of concrete might actually make things worse. This is why you rarely see concrete in cantilever beams that support a roof. Steel, on the other hand, is equally strong both ways.

Thirdly, there's the cost point of view. You basically want a construction to be as close to its capacity as possible. The loads go all the way from the top, through the construction and down to the foundation, so quite simply the loads will be higher at the bottom than at the top. Which means two things:

1. You want to reduce the cumulative loads at the bottom as much as possible.
2. The upper part of the construction can be weaker than the bottom.

Based on that, it makes a lot of sense to have a heavier, more solid construction at the bottom, and a lighter construction at the top.

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TaoistMonkey said:

Looks like the stadium is curving in too soon. Surely its longer than that?

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tottenmal said:

I'm not sure how you mean, but the pitch area around where the north stand is, so there isn't much length View attachment 28933 really left. This picture gives a good idea of how it will look.

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The Scarecrow said:

I'm hardly an expert, but i have some background in structural engineering, so I'll give you my take on it.

The most basic thing is stability. If you stack coins, you want the heavier coins at the bottom and the lighter at the top.

Secondly, there's a difference between compressive and tensile stress. My assumption is that there's a higher share of compressive stress at the bottom than at the top, and concrete has an incredible compressive capacity. Its tensile strength, on the other hand, is next to nothing, which is why reinforcements are needed.

Now reinforced concrete is, generally speaking, the best, cheapest and most applicable construction material there is. That's why it's so widely used. But it's also very heavy, which means that the dead load from the concrete contributes a lot to the total load on the structure. So if there's a high share of tensile loads in a part of the construction, the use of concrete might actually make things worse. This is why you rarely see concrete in cantilever beams that support a roof. Steel, on the other hand, is equally strong both ways.

Thirdly, there's the cost point of view. You basically want a construction to be as close to its capacity as possible. The loads go all the way from the top, through the construction and down to the foundation, so quite simply the loads will be higher at the bottom than at the top. Which means two things:

1. You want to reduce the cumulative loads at the bottom as much as possible.
2. The upper part of the construction can be weaker than the bottom.

Based on that, it makes a lot of sense to have a heavier, more solid construction at the bottom, and a lighter construction at the top.

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TaoistMonkey said:

Looks like the stadium is curving in too soon. Surely its longer than that?

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Bulletspur said:

I have been thinking the same for some time now

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Spurger King said:

I think it's a visual illusion caused by the HQ building. The HQ is aligned with the road, so not perfectly straight with the stadium. It doesn't face it head on, but slightly askew. Not something noticeable at ground level, but stands out from above.

Also worth remembering that the curvature of that end of the stadium is slightly different to accommodate the slide-in pitch.

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• They have sold 92 of the 104 Tunnel Club memberships at an eye watering £50k for 2 seats in year 1. Then £20k per season.
• The best premium seats on half way line are pretty much sold out but plenty available at the £5k per seat category.
• They confirmed that the highest point of stadium roof will be just under the cabs of the cranes.
• Roof will only be erected 3-4 months before completion.
• Fit out commences shortly
• They hope to offer hard hat tours next season and have recently installed an internal viewing platform

dovahkiin said:

justspurs on coys:
Few snippets following VR tour.

• They have sold 92 of the 104 Tunnel Club memberships at an eye watering £50k for 2 seats in year 1. Then £20k per season.
• The best premium seats on half way line are pretty much sold out but plenty available at the £5k per seat category.
• They confirmed that the highest point of stadium roof will be just under the cabs of the cranes.
• Roof will only be erected 3-4 months before completion.
• Fit out commences shortly
• They hope to offer hard hat tours next season and have recently installed an internal viewing platform

ps The stadium is going to be unbelievable.

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Spurger King said:

I find the whole idea of Tunnel Club weird and creepy, and the prices sickening.

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Spurger King said:

I find the whole idea of Tunnel Club weird and creepy, and the prices sickening.

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Roynie said:

It doesn't look as though there will be much room left to the south of the stadium for much of a hotel. I would guess that that planning permission has been in outline only, rather than any actual designs having been submitted. I suppose that means that they can alter their ideas to suit the available space? So maybe there will be room .... WTF do I know!

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Spurger King said:

I find the whole idea of Tunnel Club weird and creepy, and the prices sickening.

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absolute bobbins said:

Wouldn't mind being invited though, right?

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