Player Watch: Victor Wanyama

Annekcma · Jun 7, 2016

Wanyama cost Southampton 12.5mill when he had 2 years left on his contract at Celtic. Now add 3 years of good premiership performances and experience, factor in the percieved relationship between the 2 clubs, how other clubs are interested in him(eg. Leicester), the rise in transfer prices, the rise in TV money and that it's a move to a PL rival, and I highly doubt he'll be a price below £15mill. Personally I think it'll be closer to £20mill

$hoguN · Jun 7, 2016

THOWIG and BC I would be interested to hear who you think would better suit us noting that Wanyama would be signed as a DM who we wouldn't be expecting to dictate play

jurgen · Jun 7, 2016

Hoopspur said:
If Poch does genuinely want him (we were rumoured to be interested 12 and 6 months ago after all), then it's because he thinks he could do a good job for Spurs. It is also a testament to Poch's philosophy and he thinks Wanyama fits this. He knows first hand what the player's attitude is like - something none of us probably do. That is where the argument about having played for him before mounts up.

According to certain people, Poch doesn't even know his own philosophy and how much Wanyama doesn't fit in it. It reminds me of the media professor in that bit of Annie Hall misinterpreting Marshall McLuhan's writing in front of the man himself - I'm sure were Poch to browse this site he'd be very surprised that some people know infinitely more about his approach than he does...

Shadydan · Jun 7, 2016

Nigel Spinal said:
If we sign Wanyama, my 10 would be

--------Dier------------Dembele
----(Wanyama)------(Bentaleb)

-Lamela-------Alli-------Eriksen
-(Njie)------(Mason)----(Son)

with Winks and Onomah as 5th/7th choice

and Chadli, Carroll, Pritchard, Ball and Ward moved on.

Dafuq is going on here?

Nigel Spinal · Jun 7, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
It's Southampton, who hate us. If it was any other player, then I wouldn't even expect us to sign them. But because Wanyama only has 1 year left on his contract, in this scenario it makes more sense to sell, so on this occasion I think it could happen.

But be assured, Southampton will probably make it as difficult as possible for us to get him, especially with Koeman leaving. I am 99% sure a transfer of a first-team player between 2 PL clubs who have qualified for Europe is not going to cost below £10m. £15m at least in my opinion, we all know fees are so high for PL clubs, and this is increased when it is between 2 PL clubs.

Also- Wanyama couldn't sign a pre-contract with any other PL club in January.

England is just one country out of about 206. I appreciate he's native English-speaking

CoopsieDeadpool · Jun 7, 2016

Shadydan said:
Dafuq is going on here?

Drexl · Jun 7, 2016

We need to be going for players with Premiership experience who are proven performers, going for a foreign flavour of the month with no experience in EPL is too risky, Wanyama ticks enough boxes

theShiznit · Jun 7, 2016

coopsieyid said:

Is that a picture of Europe if we leave?

(or an NHS waiting room if we stay

)

EQP · Jun 7, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
Wanyama's not going to be cheap.

They can try and spite us by requesting a high transfer fee but they won't. The fear of him leaving for free in twelve or so months is a reality. They will negotiate with Levy and get fair value for him all things considered. Then probably confirm the deal when they have a new coach and can claim his sale was in relation to the new coach not rating him, having a better prospect in mind or they'll buy a replacment and then sanction his sale.

THFCSPURS19 · Jun 7, 2016

SlumDilla said:
They can try and spite us by requesting a high transfer fee but they won't. The fear of him leaving for free in twelve or so months is a reality. They will negotiate with Levy and get fair value for him all things considered. Then probably confirm the deal when they have a new coach and can claim his sale was in relation to the new coach not rating him, having a better prospect in mind or they'll buy a replacment and then sanction his sale.

My estimation of £15m is actually based on the fact that several articles say Southampton want £25m- I agree that eventually they would reduce that as they know they need to sell, but it's not going to be 'low'.

Spurrific · Jun 7, 2016

Annekcma said:
Of course it isn't. Which is why multiple times throughout this thread it has been mentioned that he was signed by Poch (indicates Poch rated him), he played well under Poch(indicates Poch liked him), he played regularly under Poch(indicates Poch rated his performances). Then when you factor in how he has continued to play well following Poch leaving, his low price, his age and experience, all of these point to him being a positive signing.

All of these things listed fall under the having played for Poch before umbrella. The "continued to play well" is subjective. I don't think he's played that well, I don't think he'd be that cheap either. He is young and experienced though, and I will trust Poch's judgement over mine at the end of the day. Doesn't mean I rate Wanyama though.

McArchibald · Jun 7, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
My estimation of £15m is actually based on the fact that several articles say Southampton want £25m- I agree that eventually they would reduce that as they know they need to sell, but it's not going to be 'low'.

Absolutely. With the new TV money it'd be cheaper to get one more good year with him in the squad and then lose him for nothing than flog him for 5 million now. Those days have gone for good.

They would sell, but we won't see any change from 15 million...

Hoopspur · Jun 7, 2016

SlumDilla said:
They can try and spite us by requesting a high transfer fee but they won't. The fear of him leaving for free in twelve or so months is a reality. They will negotiate with Levy and get fair value for him all things considered. Then probably confirm the deal when they have a new coach and can claim his sale was in relation to the new coach not rating him, having a better prospect in mind or they'll buy a replacment and then sanction his sale.

Other people seem to know (or guess) his worth

. As it happens the market itself will determine his value. If Southampton say they don't want to sell him to us initially then he would still probably be available to other clubs - certain paper stories have suggested others have expressed an interest. At this stage he then says he is only interested in going to Spurs and they'll then sell to us. Tactical but it will get there.

I'll probably get another doh, but whatever.....

CornerPinDreamer · Jun 7, 2016

coopsieyid said:

fuck me, is it friday already?

THOWIG · Jun 7, 2016

$hoguN said:
THOWIG and BC I would be interested to hear who you think would better suit us noting that Wanyama would be signed as a DM who we wouldn't be expecting to dictate play

Sorry don't understand what you mean?

Bus-Conductor · Jun 7, 2016

wrd said:
Be honest you just don't like players like this do you, I remember you complaining early in the season that we were too defensive with Dier. I do think we need players like this and 20 points dropped from winning positions this season, it wouldn't hurt to have Wanyama on the bench to bring on late in a game.

If by "this type of footballer" you mean a bit one dimensional, then no, I guess I'm not a huge fan.

In a CM3 it might be different, the central player can be more one dimensional and positionally disciplined, but in a cm2 I think cm's have to be more multi faceted and in a system that is supposed to be very transition orientated at least one needs to have some urgent incision about them.

mill · Jun 8, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
If by "this type of footballer" you mean a bit one dimensional, then no, I guess I'm not a huge fan.

In a CM3 it might be different, the central player can be more one dimensional and positionally disciplined, but in a cm2 I think cm's have to be more multi faceted and in a system that is supposed to be very transition orientated at least one needs to have some urgent incision about them.

I think you're problem is with the system rather than the player

Bus-Conductor · Jun 8, 2016

mill said:
I think you're problem is with the system rather than the player

When you say system, do you mean formation, tactical application or both?

Bus-Conductor · Jun 8, 2016

$hoguN said:
THOWIG and BC I would be interested to hear who you think would better suit us noting that Wanyama would be signed as a DM who we wouldn't be expecting to dictate play

Like @THOWIG, I'm not sure exactly what you mean? Do you mean who would we rather have as a pure DM who wouldn't be expected to dictate play? Or just who would we rather have?

Personally I don't really want us to spend money on a one dimensional DM. Especially for the type of money quoted for Wanyama.

I would rather we looked for a player who is defensively diligent and dynamic but can also move the ball with a bit of alacrity. Someone like Tolisso or Witsel maybe? Or I'd be equally happy with Poch just working with people like Mason and Onomah to develop their defensive game as he did with Schniederlin.

Failing that, if we are going to just look for a busy ****, I would genuinely rather we gave Lesniak a chance. Playing novices like Kane, Mason, Bentaleb, Dier & Alli has proved to be no hindrance to success over the last couple of years, so I would hope we've learnt that lesson now and can stop assuming that the best option is always at the end of a chequered book.

mill · Jun 8, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
When you say system, do you mean formation, tactical application or both?

The role of the deeper cm, dropping in to the back 3. I appreciate there are better ball players out there that can fill that remit but I doubt there's many that fit our budget, are available and want to come.

I know you'd prefer to use players we already have rather than buy but I don't think any of our other midfielders fit that role

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