Leicester Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Good Doctor M · Aug 22, 2015

ShaunL84 said:
We didn't play well against Stoke, they had more clear cut chances and should have won.

We completely outplayed Stoke for the majority of the game. How anyone could think otherwise is beyond me and frankly, sense. Stoke could have won, but we should have. Stoke taking all three points last week would have been daylight robbery.

Spurger King · Aug 22, 2015

Grey Fox said:
Hope I am wrong but think we will get beat today, it's all about mentality of the players as someone has already mentioned we have no leaders and that worries me. If we do lose I can see us heading for a 2 or 3 points from 8 scenario and some ugly reactions from the fans.

You probably are wrong so no need to worry.

Good Doctor M · Aug 22, 2015

yusrisafri said:
I still believe bentaleb will come good and lead the team one day. He is captain material.

So is dier

2 mediocre games and some people give up on him. He's still a kid, still hasn't played two seasons of football yet. Bents is going to be gold.

Sweech · Aug 22, 2015

lukadownthelane said:
Call it experience then. We need to become better under pressure if we want to meet our ambitions. I accept that it hard for young player to do that as they lack the experience of how to see out those situations, but this is exactly why we need one or two players with experience.

This is also why I think Poch has mainly been buying players from the Prem. I fully agree with you when it come to pave though. However I think this is one of the things our squad needs, not the only thing.

Is experience really what prevents goals in those situations though?

Did Leicester not give up goals from winning positions when they had Cambiasso in? Me thinks they did.

shelfboy68 · Aug 22, 2015

Sweech said:
Ah yes, the whole "lack of confidence" a totally unquantifiable measurement.

Even though when the game was 2-2 we started generating some pretty nice chances, especially from Dembele. Didn't look like a lack of confidence to me.

But we do this in a number of games last year and the year before plus Our heads dropped after we went behind at Utd, so there is a problem maybe its an unquantifiable one perhaps.

Flashspur · Aug 22, 2015

i wonder how you lot are going to cope with Leicester beating us today....i hate to think...so I hope to hell we win as the moaning will be insufferable....COYS (y)

mpickard2087 · Aug 22, 2015

Francis Gibbs said:
Complete opposite for me, all about the system and the interchanging positions ... looks like he totally forgets to tell players we have to express themselves and doesn't appear to look for any expressive/creative players to add as he can't accommodate them in this very structured system that lacks the fluidity it is supposed to bring

I don't think players roaming around doing their own thing is the problem. Eriksen/Dembele/Chadli/Lamela and you can even add Kane in to the mix have mostly free license to roam around and take up the positions they want to, and have a fair amount of slack cut to them. It's the balance that is wrong more than anything. Too many samey players who want the ball to feet and who don't stretch the game.

The whole unit itself is struggling to come together, rather than being so great it is stifling individuals. Take the pressing game for instance, in like 60 games we have seen a consistent, coordinated press as a unit in about a handful of them. More often than not its individuals chasing down on their own. We also get too stretched between the lines, usually because we haven't stayed compact as a team. Then there are the many small components that go into putting together a style of play. Such as the understanding of how you play in your little 'sub-units' and interact with others on your team, as I mentioned before we often have three players making the run to the same place wanting it to feet, rather than one dragging a marker away and then the other darting into the space created. It's seen in how the wide players link up, Walker in particular has great trouble in reacting to how the player in front of him has moved on the pitch so if Dembele say has drifted inside he should be on his bike hugging the touchline into the space created, but he's often found tucked inside as well. I could go on with a number of these little things that make up a performance......

So I'd definitely say there is a lack of direction somewhere along the line. We struggle to pass and move.

Bobbins · Aug 22, 2015

Good Doctor M said:
Leicester looked very good last week. Vardy was unplayable. Walker could have serious problems today with him.

Expect a tough game to be honest. I'd take a scrappy one nil win to be honest.

I'd be delighted with a draw TBH.

Sweech · Aug 22, 2015

shelfboy68 said:
But we do this in a number of games last year and the year before plus Our heads dropped after we went behind at Utd, so there is a problem maybe its an unquantifiable one perhaps.

Yet we conversely had plenty of comeback games didn't we?

Two way street isn't it?

Spurger King · Aug 22, 2015

Thanks @Singayid for your wonderful contribution to this site. Guess it had to happen eventually.

Good Doctor M · Aug 22, 2015

shelfboy68 said:
But we do this in a number of games last year and the year before plus Our heads dropped after we went behind at Utd, so there is a problem maybe its an unquantifiable one perhaps.

How can you say there is a problem when we won more points last year from losing positions than any other team? The problem is not confidence, the problem is and was, conceeding too easily, switching off and lacking concentration. It's to be expected in the youngest starting 11 in the league. This squad has a huge future and great potential. Fans disecting every poor result and attempting to find a root cause for their own frustration is pointless. Every game is followed now with a kind of kneejerk post mortem where every result is diagnosed with some completely unfounded "cause". We're a young team. Playing in the premier league. We're going to lose games, get bad results... it's going to happen. It has to be accepted. But the future, if everyone stays the course and fans pull their heads out of their arses and not get on the team's back at every available opportunity is very, very bright.

Good Doctor M · Aug 22, 2015

Bobbins said:
I'd be delighted with a draw TBH.

Delighted? It's not Chelsea away mate. I'd be disappointed with a draw. But I wouldn't be heartbroken. Leicester are decent. But we are better and we should win.

Sweech · Aug 22, 2015

Good Doctor M said:
How can you say there is a problem when we won more points last year from losing positions than any other team? The problem is not confidence, the problem is and was, conceeding too easily, switching off and lacking concentration. It's to be expected in the youngest starting 11 in the league. This squad has a huge future and great potential. Fans disecting every poor result and attempting to find a root cause for their own frustration is pointless. Every game is followed now with a kind of kneejerk post mortem where every result is diagnosed with some completely unfounded "cause". We're a young team. Playing in the premier league. We're going to lose games, get bad results... it's going to happen. It has to be accepted. But the future, if everyone stays the course and fans pull their heads out of their arses and not get on the team's back at every available opportunity is very, very bright.

We need to sticky this to the beginning and end of every matchday thread.

max cady · Aug 22, 2015

lose today and I can see a repeat of two from eight with our only other point coming away to sunderland.

Good Doctor M · Aug 22, 2015

max cady said:
lose today and I can see a repeat of two from eight with our only other point coming away to sunderland.

You're insane. Have you watched us play yet. We've played better in the last two games than we did most of last season.

shelfboy68 · Aug 22, 2015

Good Doctor M said:
How can you say there is a problem when we won more points last year from losing positions than any other team? The problem is not confidence, the problem is and was, conceeding too easily, switching off and lacking concentration. It's to be expected in the youngest starting 11 in the league. This squad has a huge future and great potential. Fans disecting every poor result and attempting to find a root cause for their own frustration is pointless. Every game is followed now with a kind of kneejerk post mortem where every result is diagnosed with some completely unfounded "cause". We're a young team. Playing in the premier league. We're going to lose games, get bad results... it's going to happen. It has to be accepted. But the future, if everyone stays the course and fans pull their heads out of their arses and not get on the team's back at every available opportunity is very, very bright.

See this is the problem with some of you on here Im not getting on anyones back player wise.
All Im saying is that we do have a tendency to fold up far too easily imo, but yes Im aware that we have a young team but not all the errors are made by Young players.
For what its worth i think we will struggle a bit this year due to various reasons, we might come in around 8/9th but so be it.

max cady · Aug 22, 2015

Good Doctor M said:
You're insane. Have you watched us play yet. We've played better in the last two games than we did most of last season.

Yes and we have lost one and drawn the other. Leicester are no dozy bunch they will give us a good game and iirc we didn't have it easy with them last season. I like everyone else will be delighted if we win.

Ironskullll · Aug 22, 2015

Sweech said:
Don't agree with this whole "no leaders" meme that gets bandied out time to time.

We have a national team captain for a very good national team here.

We have several players who were formerly captains on their previous teams.

Then we have players who stand the fuck up when called upon like Kane or Mason whether it's digging a boot in or standing up for a teammate.

We frequently out-foul the opposition these days. Two or three years ago that was seldom the case. For example we out-fouled Stoke by 15 to 11. That's surely a sign of a team toughening up.

lukadownthelane · Aug 22, 2015

Sweech said:
Is experience really what prevents goals in those situations though?

Did Leicester not give up goals from winning positions when they had Cambiasso in? Me thinks they did.

It's not about giving up goals from winning positions. It's going to happen to everyone. It's the manner of the way we stop playing when something goes wrong. Watching Newcastle in that first half on the rack, but they didn't look panicked like we do when something goes wrong and kept hold of the ball better than we did at OT. We've got to show more character and react better to difficult situations.

I'm not happy with the start to the season and am surprised so many people don't seem bothered. We've had a softness to us for too many years and I for one am desperate for it to change (and am frustrated that I am not seeing it changing at present).

Good Doctor M · Aug 22, 2015

shelfboy68 said:
See this is the problem with some of you on here Im not getting on anyones back player wise.
All Im saying is that we do have a tendency to fold up far too easily imo, but yes Im aware that we have a young team but not all the errors are made by Young players.
For what its worth i think we will struggle a bit this year due to various reasons, we might come in around 8/9th but so be it.

Of course not all the errors are made by the youngsters. But our tendency to panic certainly is brought on by the team as a collective being fairly inexperienced. Fortunatly, with them being so young, they tend to show very little fear. That's what the difference was last year for me against Chelsea and Arsenal. The kids went on to that field completely up for it. Harry Kane didn't give a fuck who he played, he was going to try to tear everyone a new arsehole.

We haven't got the balance right. I'd like to see an older, more experienced CM come in. We do need a leader. Scott Parker was probably the best signing Harry every made. We need a new Parker.

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