Tottenham Vs Fulham: Match Thread

rupsmith · Apr 19, 2014

mattstev2000 said:
Its not just AVB, id happily take anyone else at the moment. Hell, I think Sandro would do a better job for the remaining few games. Sherwood actually makes it difficult to enjoy these victories because he won't just shut-up and show a bit of dignity in front of the cameras.

I have no sympathy for him at all, he's created this shitstorm himself by publicly disrespecting players every chance he gets. I don't normally agree with players voicing grievances in public but when you've got Sherwood doing it every opportunity he gets what are the players supposed to do? I'm glad Sandro stood up for himself.

Just off the top of my head in the short time he's been in charge we've had... players not good, lack guts, top 4 no chance, players can't be relied on, Lamela hasn't proved himself, Sandro not good enough, 'the goalie' and Adebayor the only two outstanding ones, the players much of a muchness, Eriksen only just reaching the Adebayor/Lloris level, don't know Capoue, didn't realise Paulinho was capable of that, etc. etc. And that's just the obvious ones I can remember!

He's publicly kicked pretty much every player in the squad, outside of his youth team promotions in the short time he's been in charge and I honestly can't blame any of the players for sticking up for themselves in public.

So what you are saying is Tim is getting us the wins and the results but his media skills are so poor he should be sacked.

greaves · Apr 19, 2014

Really pleased that we won today.

rupsmith · Apr 19, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
I can argue that Sandro was just assuring his fans that he's okay (i.e. not injured) and simply exercising his free speech rights. It was BT Sport who put Sherwood in a tough spot, where Sherwood simply blew it. Sure, being honest is one thing, but as a professional you need to also exercise discretion and handle matters internally. This was just disastrous.

Free speech rights?!? So would you go to a national newspaper and announce that your boss is a prick? And call it free speech?

ilikeost · Apr 19, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
I can argue that Sandro was just assuring his fans that he's okay (i.e. not injured) and simply exercising his free speech rights. It was BT Sport who put Sherwood in a tough spot, where Sherwood simply blew it. Sure, being honest is one thing, but as a professional you need to also exercise discretion and handle matters internally. This was just disastrous.

Sherwood didn't blow it in any way. He only said that he isn't on the same fitness level as the other players in the squad and untill he gets to the same level he isn't good enough to be in the squad. Perfect reason to leave him out of the squad.

ilikeost · Apr 19, 2014

greaves said:
Really pleased that we won today.

Hahaha, there was a game?! I just thought all we had was the Sandro tweet and the post match interview!

thinktank · Apr 19, 2014

THFC 1882 said:
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Reports claim Goalkeeping coach Tony Parks and left back Danny Rose had a spat at full time. #THFC pic.twitter.com/lROyrlrJOl

Parks: "You're shit, danny!!"

Rose: "I'm not, ffs...I'm good...I'm good!!!!!" :cry:

Parks: *Mouths* "S-H-I-T"

rupsmith · Apr 19, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
You need to do more research on how the 100M was spent. By the way, last season AVB brought in the highest points total of any Spurs manager EVER in a season. The fact that other teams edged us out has little to do with him - also keep in mind that was his first season as well, but I guess that doesn't count for squat.

It helps when you have the world most expensive player in your squad directly responsible for about 25 points. And the only managerial genius thing you have to do is tell the rest of the team to give the ball to him.

Good Doctor M · Apr 19, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
I can argue that Sandro was just assuring his fans that he's okay (i.e. not injured) and simply exercising his free speech rights. It was BT Sport who put Sherwood in a tough spot, where Sherwood simply blew it. Sure, being honest is one thing, but as a professional you need to also exercise discretion and handle matters internally. This was just disastrous.

You can argue that he was reassuring fans if you like, but it would take a fairly healthy dose of naivety to believe that it was just that. He clearly tweeted this once he found out he hadn't made the match day squad. I don't like Sherwood, I want him out of the club, but I"m not going to let that cloud the fact that the guy was placed in a position that was embarrassing for us by one of his own players.

Yes BT Sport asked the question, but they were always going to. It's not Tim's fault they did, it was SAndro's. He gifted them a story, or at least, a line of questioning that they could very easily manipulate into something damaging for the club and uncomfortable for Sherwood.

nidge · Apr 19, 2014

ilikeost said:
Sherwood didn't blow it in any way. He only said that he isn't on the same fitness level as the other players in the squad and untill he gets to the same level he isn't good enough to be in the squad. Perfect reason to leave him out of the squad.

He didn't mention fitness levels at all in the BT interview. He said Sandro wasn't good enough to be in the squad at the moment.

allatsea · Apr 19, 2014

ilikeost said:
Sherwood didn't blow it in any way. He only said that he isn't on the same fitness level as the other players in the squad and untill he gets to the same level he isn't good enough to be in the squad. Perfect reason to leave him out of the squad.

Perhaps it is justifiable for leaving him out of the starting line up but not the bench as well. He regularly picks players who are not fully fit for the bench see Dembele today but he is using it as his excuse for not selecting Sandro. The man is an idiot and should be sacked before he does anymore damage to the club.

Dinghy · Apr 19, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
No I don't want AVB back, at least not with the current setup. A setup where he's not given the players, the latitude or the support to implement his plans. A setup where board members and jackasses like Alan Sugar can piss all over the guy, despite calling himself a supporter and the Harry loving press just run riot on him. A setup where Sherwood can completely bitch the guy out to Levy and undermine everything he's trying to build despite the bullshit he's getting and having to watch his back every day.

Well, if that setup is something you're good with, then fine - have at it. Tim's not got any of those issues, he rode on the success of AVB's working the players in his initial run of games and now he's destroyed just about everything: A top four finish, ALL cup exits and now pissed off senior players to the point where he insults them on national tv.

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thinktank · Apr 19, 2014

Good Doctor M said:
Sandro put Sherwood in a tough spot with that tweet. Sandro not playing isn't embarrassing for the club. Airing personal displeasure at not starting games and then reacting to your manager's explanation with a childish "lol lol lol" I find massively embarrassing for the club. And Sandro created that embarrassment.

The only embarrassment going is Tim Sherwood.

greaves · Apr 19, 2014

ilikeost said:
Hahaha, there was a game?! I just thought all we had was the Sandro tweet and the post match interview!

I'll catch those last two on MoTD.

Good Doctor M · Apr 19, 2014

rupsmith said:
Free speech rights?!? So would you go to a national newspaper and announce that your boss is a prick? And call it free speech?

Exactly. Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak. You can say whatever the hell you want. I can call my own mother a dozy ****, but I can't then defend it by claiming I'm exercising my right to freedom of speech. You have the right to speak, but I don't have to listen, like it or not protest against it if what you've said is fucking daft.

Gaz_Gammon · Apr 19, 2014

Dannyspur said:
Sandro not good enough to be in the squad

I thought that he said "at this moment"? But if someone has the actual quotes and can post them (not edited) then it would be much appreciated as i cannot find a link?

spursbhoy67 · Apr 19, 2014

Good Doctor M said:
I agree with this. It was a scummy bit of "journalism". Tim really couldn't have said much else other than what he did. He could have dodged it better and simply stated that it was a tactical choice. The context of the question was pretty much "So Tim, what's the beef you have with Sandro?" Bit of an arsehole you reckon? That's how it looks. Care to comment?"

Sherwood was put in a tough spot. Sandro put him there.

TS could have responded:

I haven't seen the Tweet so will respond when I have seen it in its full context. I would prefer to talk about the team I picked which just won 3-1.

CrazyHeart · Apr 19, 2014

rupsmith said:
Free speech rights?!? So would you go to a national newspaper and announce that your boss is a prick? And call it free speech?

No, I would exercise professional discretion - something Sherwood is evidently incapable of.

chinaman · Apr 19, 2014

beats1 said:
Only Tottenham can turn a 3-1 win in to a media/PR disaster

You're off the mark, mate. Only Deadwood could turn a win into a disaster.

ilikeost · Apr 19, 2014

allatsea said:
Perhaps it is justifiable for leaving him out of the starting line up but not the bench as well. He regularly picks players who are not fully fit for the bench see Dembele today but he is using it as his excuse for not selecting Sandro. The man is an idiot and should be sacked before he does anymore damage to the club.

I think you are the idiot if you think sacking him now will benefit the club.

mattstev2000 · Apr 19, 2014

rupsmith said:
So what you are saying is Tim is getting us the wins and the results but his media skills are so poor he should be sacked.

1. Tim isn't getting the wins/results the squad deserves.
2. He could win every game, lift the premier league and be awarded the noble peace prize and I'd still want him gone if he kept acting like a **** in every interview he does.

I'd rather lose a few games than be continually embarrassed by the manager's interviews and the behind the scenes infighting that they seem to engender.

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