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Michey · May 7, 2010

Coyboy said:
Calm down Michelle no need to be a girl about it. My point is pretty clear, these unequivocal predictions are pretty pointless and not what I indulge in much less in January. There are too many variables. Is it that hard to be a man, and say you were wrong rather than try to wriggle out of it. Come on get some perspective, this is a football forum.

I always thought we had a great chance, but would never say one way or the other so adamantly and unequivocally. It's guess work. You are essentially guessing on about 30 games at that point. I was also pointing out that it may say something that those writing us off so clearly are the very same ones that don't like our manager.

Get a life instead of lookin into old threads

Since you seem to get a boner when looking back in old threads to get back on members on the forum i can help you with this one; http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1757408&postcount=75

A tip......make fun of those in that thread that didn't get it correct. It will give you something to do during the weekend.

Is there any idea of having a forum if members can't speculate on results etc? Fucking pathetic though when losers go back several months to try and be smart

Coyboy · May 7, 2010

Just calm down, how hard is to say 'I was wrong'. That link doesn't prove much and you were still wrong.

There is no point in just saying unequivocally that 'this is going to happen' because it is just guess work, especially in January. If you do do that and you do that with the certitude that you did, at least have the stones to just hold your hands up and say 'I was wrong, Spurs superceded by expectations, Redknapp has proven me wrong and we were superior to City and Liverpool without changing much in the window'.

You said 'we will not finish fourth'. We have finished, at least, fourth. Ergo you were wrong, or is there some inverted Swedish logic you are employing whereby you are in fact right.

Aren't you happy we did so much better than you forecasted? You seem irritable, an odd feeling that I can't empathise with right now.

Leachie · May 7, 2010

Coyboy said:
Just calm down, how hard is to say 'I was wrong'. That link doesn't prove much and you were still wrong.

There is no point in just saying unequivocally that 'this is going to happen' because it is just guess work, especially in January. If you do do that and you do that with the certitude that you did, at least have the stones to just hold your hands up and say 'I was wrong, Spurs superceded by expectations, Redknapp has proven me wrong and we were superior to City and Liverpool without changing much in the window'.

You said 'we will not finish fourth'. We have finished, at least, fourth. Ergo you were wrong, or is there some inverted Swedish logic you are employing whereby you are in fact right.

Aren't you happy we did so much better than you forecasted? You seem irritable, an odd feeling that I can't empathise with right now.

There are football fans and there are internet fans. Therefore, some emotions take priority over others as some support and are more involved with SC than Spurs itself. Hence the emphasis on defence of forum reputation over elation at Spurs achievements.

Or something like that. I am currently studying consumer behaviour so...yeah.

Coyboy · May 7, 2010

Indeed.

Bus-Conductor · May 7, 2010

Coyboy said:
Calm down Michelle no need to be a girl about it. My point is pretty clear, these unequivocal predictions are pretty pointless and not what I indulge in much less in January. There are too many variables. Is it that hard to be a man, and say you were wrong rather than try to wriggle out of it. Come on get some perspective, this is a football forum.

I always thought we had a great chance, but would never say one way or the other so adamantly and unequivocally. It's guess work. You are essentially guessing on about 30 games at that point. I was also pointing out that it may say something that those writing us off so clearly are the very same ones that don't like our manager.

If you told him in january that he was wrong and you were convinced that all those stupid points fucked away wouldn't matter because you were sure we'd beat Chelsea, Arsenal & ManC away etc then fair play to you, you deserve to be giving it large now.

If not then it's bit easier being a wise-arse after the event has actually happened isn't it.

Wolves, Stoke, Hull were football. Tactical mistakes were made but they were minor ones. Everton and Birmingham we largely influenced by tactical errors. They have potentially cost us automatic CL football. But, to balance that I think it is fair to say that Redknapp has also impressed me lately with some of his tactics. Bringing Crouch in on Wednesday was match winning. His subs on wednesday and a lot lately have been spot on.

But it's fucking easy to shoot down people when they put their head above the parapet, but at least they have the courage of their convictions and the bollocks to state them.

StartingPrice · May 7, 2010

Bus-Conductor said:
If you told him in january that he was wrong and you were convinced that all those stupid points fucked away wouldn't matter because you were sure we'd beat Chelsea, Arsenal & ManC away etc then fair play to you, you deserve to be giving it large now.

If not then it's bit easier being a wise-arse after the event has actually happened isn't it.

Wolves, Stoke, Hull were football. Tactical mistakes were made but they were minor ones. Everton and Birmingham we largely influenced by tactical errors. They have potentially cost us automatic CL football. But, to balance that I think it is fair to say that Redknapp has also impressed me lately with some of his tactics. Bringing Crouch in on Wednesday was match winning. His subs on wednesday and a lot lately have been spot on.

But it's fucking easy to shoot down people when they put their head above the parapet, but at least they have the courage of their convictions and the bollocks to state them.

I pretty much did, BC - can't be bothered looking for old posts or anything. But I did say, several times, that the Goon and Chav games were home games, and we have either beat or pushed these teams over recent years, with a younger and, in many ways, inferior, squad. I maintained all along that we would beat Citeh at (B)Eastlands. I maintained, all along, that all seasons have there ups and donwns and jostlings for position...and that the occasional disappointing result, especially unexted ones, even happen to the eventual Champ.
Can I rep myself:shrug:

BringBack_leGin · May 7, 2010

Back when this thread started was perhaps the one point in the season where my faith that we'd finish fourth did waver a touch. Glad that it was just a blip.

Bus-Conductor · May 7, 2010

Ironically I though our performance at Liverpool was outstanding, the best I'd seen in the league in many, many years up there. I said so at the time.

When Modric & Palacios were dropped for the away game at Wolves and we lost was probably when I really doubted that we'd do it. The great run we went on from Wigan onwards started to give me some faith though. When we beat Chelsea I think all of us must have started to believe that we were actually on the verge of achieving something great.

I cannot remember the last time we beat Liverpool, Arsenal & Chelsea in the same season since they became the four to beat.

Coyboy · May 7, 2010

Bus-Conductor said:
If you told him in january that he was wrong and you were convinced that all those stupid points fucked away wouldn't matter because you were sure we'd beat Chelsea, Arsenal & ManC away etc then fair play to you, you deserve to be giving it large now.

If not then it's bit easier being a wise-arse after the event has actually happened isn't it.

Wolves, Stoke, Hull were football. Tactical mistakes were made but they were minor ones. Everton and Birmingham we largely influenced by tactical errors. They have potentially cost us automatic CL football. But, to balance that I think it is fair to say that Redknapp has also impressed me lately with some of his tactics. Bringing Crouch in on Wednesday was match winning. His subs on wednesday and a lot lately have been spot on.

But it's fucking easy to shoot down people when they put their head above the parapet, but at least they have the courage of their convictions and the bollocks to state them.

No because predicting like that is just folly. In January, it's just guesswork you cannot account for 30 odd games between three teams, or maybe four, injuries etc. I constantly said that we could still finish fourth and those of you who were writing us off when we were still in fact fourth were wrong to do so early. This forum, as I see it, is not a lottery competition.

If he, and you and others, had the bollocks and courage you would hold your hands up. But instead people have this strange complex where they cannot do that on an internet forum. I don't get it.

I don't make predictions on outcomes but on our potential to win, draw or lose. My gut instinct has always been, as you may know, that Redknapp is good enough to get us where we want to be, that he is a terrific manager and that he is right for this football club. That has been proved right. I knew we could finish fourth but I didn't have the crystal ball to say we would with such false certainty.

Let's say for one minute that I don't have the right to 'shoot him' down, if he has the courage to make such predictions why doesn't he have the courage to admit that they were wrong instead of trying to wriggle out of it.

He said 'we won't finish fourth'. We will finish fourth, or higher though very unlikely. He was therefore wrong. I believe I also remember seeing you say we had pissed away our chances back in Feb/March.

Bus-Conductor · May 7, 2010

I believed we had, no question. I admit it. I've not ever tried to deny it. But what exactly do you want me to put my hands up to ? That I was wrong when I thought we'd pissed away our chance of fourth ? I put my hands up. I was wrong. Beautifully, blissfully, orgasmically wrong. Do I think that I was completely wrong about Redknapp's tactical nouse ? No. But has some of his actions impressed me. Yes. Do I think that fate has often smiled kindly on Redknapp. Hell fucking yes. Ekotto getting injured. Rose's wonder goal per minutes played per season, Fabregas, Arshavin, VP all being non starters, Terry being a stupid fuck etc etc.

But I have also been impressed by some of Redknapps teams and in game tactics ? Yes, more so than I thought I would be and definitely more than I ever was with Jols. There have been time when the fickle hand of fate didn;t smile on Redknapp either like at Liverpool, Wolves, Stoke etc.

But one place I did put my head above the parapet confidently was in being bullish about the quality of our squad of players, and constantly maintained that this was the best squad we'd had for decades and in my opinion was better than Liverpools and ManC's.

I also stated that I believed in this squad when it was bottom of the league last year.

I would at some point when I have time like to revisit the "The Harry Effect" and discuss the merits/otherwise of Redknapp's tenure.

Coyboy · May 7, 2010

Fair enough, but I can't get why someone can say outlandishly that we won't do it, wethen do it and somehow he isn't wrong. And I think it telling that it was from one of Harry's biggest critics to put it mildly.

Michey · May 7, 2010

Coyboy said:
No because predicting like that is just folly.

He said 'we won't finish fourth'. We will finish fourth, or higher though very unlikely. He was therefore wrong.

My god, you're a bigger nutcase than i ever imagined, completely rabid! Eek

WTF do you want?? That i shall say that i was wrong when i didn't think that we would make fourth several months ago? Is that your mad will with this posts against 2 members on the forum?

Why is there anything wrong with making predictions? It is what happens on the forum......before games, before seasons and sometimes a few games into a season. Is this something that bothers you so much? What happens when pundits make their predicions before the seasons, are you gettin' foamed at the mouth with rage..?

Why am i the only one among thousands that has made the wrong prediction around something that you are hunting like a dog with rabies? Just because i haven't got any respect for our manager? Is that still bothering you so much..?

Ok....this is so your crazy mind can go to rest; Several months ago in a thread were members posted their prediction on the rest of the season i got it wrong. In difference to for exemple Coyboy i didn't think that we would win against Arsenal and Chelsea to make up for lost points at home against Wolves, Stoke and Hull.

Does this make you feel better Coyboy? Was that what you were after..?

BringBack_leGin · May 7, 2010

When we were bottom of the league last year, I wagered my house that we'd be out of the bottom 3 by our tenth game. It took one game longer. I now type this from a cardboard box outside the Spurs Ground, having not changed out of my Spurs shirt and pink polkadot boxes in 20 months. You can't have missed me, I'm outside the Paxton Road ticket office.

Coyboy · May 7, 2010

Michey said:
My god, you're a bigger nutcase than i ever imagined, completely rabid! Eek

WTF do you want?? That i shall say that i was wrong when i didn't think that we would make fourth several months ago? Is that your mad will with this posts against 2 members on the forum?

Why is there anything wrong with making predictions? It is what happens on the forum......before games, before seasons and sometimes a few games into a season. Is this something that bothers you so much? What happens when pundits make their predicions before the seasons, are you gettin' foamed at the mouth with rage..?

Why am i the only one among thousands that has made the wrong prediction around something that you are hunting like a dog with rabies? Just because i haven't got any respect for our manager? Is that still bothering you so much..?

Ok....this is so your crazy mind can go to rest; Several months ago in a thread were members posted their prediction on the rest of the season i got it wrong. In difference to for exemple Coyboy i didn't think that we would win against Arsenal and Chelsea to make up for lost points at home against Wolves, Stoke and Hull.

Does this make you feel better Coyboy? Was that what you were after..?

Just calm down pal, aren't you happy that we finished so well?

There is nothing wrong with making predictions but as I have said I see it as merely guesswork, as there are so many variables. When you said with 100% surety that we wouldn't do it, did you take into account injuries, form, cup losses, other team's form, other team's injuries, mentality, rearranged fixtures etc? Or did you just do a knee jerk reaction and say we wouldn't do it so that if we didn't, you could run the whole told you so waffle? If you are going to do so at least have the balls to admit you were wrong which you seemingly have done through gritted teeth and head banged against the wall.

I was merely multi quoting a couple of comments that have been proven wrong. There was also a sig of mine from DC Boy saying we had blown it back in Jan/Feb.

Why did you drag your feet so much? Why did you call me a loser for dragging up an old thread which I didn't, then drag up another old thread to try unsuccessfully to prove yourself right.

The bolded sentence makes no sense.

Raxscallion · May 7, 2010

Raxscallion said:
We'll finish 6th.

When I posted this, I was secretly hoping I'd have to eat my words.

And I am now, with a big silly grin on my face!

It's my self-defence mechanism. I'd rather have a pessimistic attitude towards Spurs and be happily surprised than an optimistic one and be disappointed, iyswim.

COYS!

(We'll be knocked out in the CL quallies btw, and then be relegated. And Bale will turn out to be half-robot and thus banned from ever playing again. And King will give birth to a bouncing baby girl at half time against Ars*nal.)

Michey · May 7, 2010

Coyboy said:
The bolded sentence makes no sense.

Yes it does;

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1811954&postcount=46

You're creaming yourself when saying that: Two of Harry's biggest critics wrote of our season.

Amazing that it bothers you so much that i have the balls and courage to have no respect for our manager.

And last but not least....i'm fuckin' happy for finishing fourth. Have said so since the ref blew his whistle. Why shouldn't i be happy about beeing fourth??

Beni · May 7, 2010

I can't understand any Spurs fan that still can't give credit when credit is due, or still don't have any respect for a manager that is responsible for our best league finish in years, making the Champions League for the 1st time, and Euro cup competition since 1962 and has just managed to get manager of the season award.
Wait until we have had a bad start or a few bad results, then its them that will start banging on about, bringing stuff they've said in the past.

Michey · May 7, 2010

Beni said:
I can't understand any Spurs fan that still can't give credit when credit is due, or still don't have any respect for a manager that is responsible for our best league finish in years, making the Champions League for the 1st time, and Euro cup competition since 1962 and has just managed to get manager of the season award.
Wait until we have had a bad start or a few bad results, then its them that will start banging on about, bringing stuff they've said in the past.

In my case i can see the results and give credit for that

But as a man i'll never have any respect for him

Coyboy · May 7, 2010

Michey said:
Yes it does;

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1811954&postcount=46

You're creaming yourself when saying that: Two of Harry's biggest critics wrote of our season.

Amazing that it bothers you so much that i have the balls and courage to have no respect for our manager.

And last but not least....i'm fuckin' happy for finishing fourth. Have said so since the ref blew his whistle. Why shouldn't i be happy about beeing fourth??

I genuinely don't understand what this means:

Is that your mad will with this posts against 2 members on the forum?

Anyway, if you think you are courageous for constantly slating our manager and that it takes courage not to respect him then fine; odd line of logic there. It's not courageous or cowardly to not respect someone you don't know but it is cowardly to not hold your hands up which you have reluctantly done so fine.

You just get in such a hissy fit all the time mate, just chill out. I made a a few light hearted quotes from you and sunny D and you end up calling me a loser, a nutcase and imply I have no life. You don't seem that happpy that you were wrong, if I were wrong like you were wrong, I would happy that I was so wrong.

Beni · May 7, 2010

Michey said:
In my case i can see the results and give credit for that

But as a man i'll never have any respect for him

To be honest couldn't give two shits what Redknapp is like as a person, I don't look at other managers and think "Oh, we should get this manager, because he is so nice to people and people respect him"
He can be like Zola and be so nice and have loads of respect and do absolute bugger all.
Redknapp is respected in the game, by the majority of people from managers, players and media.
To be honest he can be a complete nob and hated by everybody for all I care, as long as he takes Tottenham forward, and thats all that matters and he deserves credit for that, and respected for taking a club that many previous managers have come and failed.

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