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SUIYHA

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I’m surprised we’ve never seen Sissoko used there.
Upside: He strong, he’s relatively quick. He’s better on the right than in the middle. He’s good when overlapping.
Downside: He can’t cross. He doesn’t appear to be trusted to hold a position.

I think we did a few times earlier in the season when Aurier got suspended - more of a RB role to be fair though.

Moura at right wing back ?????

if you thought it was bad with teams targeting serge then you ain’t seen nothing if well played Moura there!



Chelsea literally won the title with Victor Moses at RWB. Antonio Valencia and Ashley Young became two of the best full-backs in the country after dropping deeper. It's not unheard of, and could fit our system much better than getting another "solid" defensive player that offers zero attacking support.
 

Goobers

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Celik seems to be highly rated by people. Anyone watched much of him or can compare him to the other right backs we have been linked to ?
 

allpaths

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It’s not even that simple!
SC- Walker makes too many errors, we need a RB who can create....
SC- not trippier! Someone who can defend a bit as well...
SC- but not aurier! Someone who doesn’t dive in!
SC- but not a Davies equivalent, he’s too steady...
SC- but not Aarons, he’s too raw..
SC-but not Castagne, he’s only played as a wingback...
SC- but not Zeki Celik, he cant dribble...
SC-but not an expensive, complete RB, he’s going to blow our budget...

Now, I might be exaggerating, and I might have read “i wrote to the zoo” as a bedtime story for my 3 yr old, but I think we need to take a risk here...
We didn't know how good we had it with walker.
 

Dirtysanchez6

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I quite like Aurier. He’s not hacked anyone down for a penalty in ages, looks less error prone and has generally been more solid in his defending.
This guy sounds ideal to rotate with Serge.
As someone else said, it sounds like he would work well with using sessegnon on the left. Though having Lucas and Sissoko on the right allows for serge to be more attacking. Winks and Son aren’t going to quite do the same job for sessegnon.
Less error prone ? Take it you haven’t watched games since the re start, has made at least 1 error min each game
 

bbunc

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We didn't know how good we had it with walker.

I mean, pretty good, but if Levy/Poch/Scouts had made the simple choice and bought Ricardo for 17M that summer instead of Aurier we wouldn’t be thinking twice about it.
 

Joshua

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Do people realise as well that there’s literally only a handful of players who fit the bill of this mythical “modern fullback” i.e a fullback who can defend, has pace and stamina, and is productive in the final third. Liverpool struck gold with theirs but past them barely anyone in the division even has one. Look at the money City have blown on fullbacks only to have Walker prove worth it. United spaffed £50million on Wan-Bissaka who’s only half the package (good defender, bang average going forward) and Chelsea’s options are hardly spectacular either. This is the case throughout Europe as well. Each top league has maybe 2 or 3 fullbacks at most who are truly complete. When we’re linked to these players I think we don’t have to focus so much on what they’ve can’t do but rather what they can do and how that’ll fit into our system. This lad seems to fit the remit of a Mourinho fullback. Good size, aggressive in defence, competent with the ball. I think he’d be a decent addition. Especially since the Meunièr ship has sailed and Jose doesn’t seem overly keen on Aarons.
 

Montalbano

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Do people realise as well that there’s literally only a handful of players who fit the bill of this mythical “modern fullback” i.e a fullback who can defend, has pace and stamina, and is productive in the final third. Liverpool struck gold with theirs but past them barely anyone in the division even has one. Look at the money City have blown on fullbacks only to have Walker prove worth it. United spaffed £50million on Wan-Bissaka who’s only half the package (good defender, bang average going forward) and Chelsea’s options are hardly spectacular either. This is the case throughout Europe as well. Each top league has maybe 2 or 3 fullbacks at most who are truly complete. When we’re linked to these players I think we don’t have to focus so much on what they’ve can’t do but rather what they can do and how that’ll fit into our system. This lad seems to fit the remit of a Mourinho fullback. Good size, aggressive in defence, competent with the ball. I think he’d be a decent addition. Especially since the Meunièr ship has sailed and Jose doesn’t seem overly keen on Aarons.
Just as you've mentioned, we were blessed to have a "complete fullback" with Kyle Walker for so many seasons, so it is understandable that the standards have been set high for many fans. Ricardo Pereira has proven to be amongst the elite ranks you've mentioned.. it's a real shame we passed on him for Aurier.
 

Snarfalicious

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Celik seems to be highly rated by people. Anyone watched much of him or can compare him to the other right backs we have been linked to ?

I read an article about him so I consider myself to be an expert on this particular topic: he’s probably the most well-rounded RB we have been linked to. Basically, a jack-of-all-trades/master of none type. So, when he doesn’t get 10 assists/40 defensive contributions a match, it’s likely many around here will desire to have better at the position.
 

midoNdefoe

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Less error prone ? Take it you haven’t watched games since the re start, has made at least 1 error min each game

Yes, less error prone. What were these clusterfucks which I must have missed?
 

joey55

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Chelsea literally won the title with Victor Moses at RWB. Antonio Valencia and Ashley Young became two of the best full-backs in the country after dropping deeper. It's not unheard of, and could fit our system much better than getting another "solid" defensive player that offers zero attacking support.

Personally I would want to keep Moura on the RW. But generally speaking, I wish players would change positions more often. I don't understand why managers don't do it more often, particularly at the top of the league, when often very talented players can't get a game in their current position, but are often, attribute wise, more suited to a different role in the team than that clubs transfer targets in that position.

To me Sissoko is a born right back. Foyth looks perfect for the DM role. Gedson would make a good CM.
 

Colonel Dax

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Celik seems to be highly rated by people. Anyone watched much of him or can compare him to the other right backs we have been linked to ?

For me he is potentially world class. A combination of prime Cafu, Carlos Alberto and Lillian Thuram. Skill, speed, power, panache. A monster of a defender with bewildering endurance and majestic crossing ability. Apart from that, I've never seen him play.
 

Japhet

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I’m surprised we’ve never seen Sissoko used there.
Upside: He strong, he’s relatively quick. He’s better on the right than in the middle. He’s good when overlapping.
Downside: He can’t cross. He doesn’t appear to be trusted to hold a position.

Fullback (or wingback) has become a very technical and demanding position. There's a lot more to it than just having a good engine and making a few tackles. It's a position where you have to be fully in tune with the rest of the back line and that's where I'd have serious doubts about Sissoko. Apart from that, he really was atrocious when he first came and was used predominantly wide on the right. I think it would take a heap of work and time to turn him into a functional RB. Better off bringing in somebody who knows the position and has spent plenty of time playing there IMO.
 

THFCSPURS19

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Jan 6, 2013
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Do people realise as well that there’s literally only a handful of players who fit the bill of this mythical “modern fullback” i.e a fullback who can defend, has pace and stamina, and is productive in the final third. Liverpool struck gold with theirs but past them barely anyone in the division even has one. Look at the money City have blown on fullbacks only to have Walker prove worth it. United spaffed £50million on Wan-Bissaka who’s only half the package (good defender, bang average going forward) and Chelsea’s options are hardly spectacular either. This is the case throughout Europe as well. Each top league has maybe 2 or 3 fullbacks at most who are truly complete. When we’re linked to these players I think we don’t have to focus so much on what they’ve can’t do but rather what they can do and how that’ll fit into our system. This lad seems to fit the remit of a Mourinho fullback. Good size, aggressive in defence, competent with the ball. I think he’d be a decent addition. Especially since the Meunièr ship has sailed and Jose doesn’t seem overly keen on Aarons.
Agreed. TAA is one of the best attacking full-backs of all time but even he can be suspect defensively.
 
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