Your Spurs Squad for 24-25 Season

[Ron Burgundy]

I may get pelters for this but I think our squad is poor. Upon listening to Ange’s comments on the younger players, they clearly aren’t going to play a huge part this season. We’ve got a decent first 11 when everyone is fit and firing but beyond this it is extremely worrying. I still think we need major surgery and if we’re not going to put any trust in youth then I’d rather we didn’t keep making these types of signings and bloating the squad. I applaud us looking at acquiring young talent but I’d prefer we left them at their previous clubs to continue gaining experience. We need first team ready players now. We are light years away from Arsenal but look at the players they are signing. I know many will say we need time etc but as we have all seen before, tomorrow never comes. I’m starting to see the frustration creep in with Ange and when that happens at our club it never ends well. We need to back him properly, of our best 11 I think we need to improve at RW, ST, 10, 6 and maybe 8. Like I say, major surgery.

I think that goes too far personally, albeit to be fair, it depends on what you're shooting for, and how quickly you expect to get there.

There are some areas where it's clear what we have is either part of a longer term project/short fix, or just not good enough, but I don't think it's as bad as you say. Focusing on the (potentially) problem positions, which I wouldn't disagree with:

RW & LW: definite need of improvement
- Johnson needs time, but could come good. Wouldn't want to be overly judgmental at this point
- Son is on the way down and will need succession planning
- Deki isn't the answer
- we're definitely light here and need at least one this season, and I'd like to think this will be (in part) addressed

Striker: would benefit from improvement, but isn't in such a bad shape
- Richi isn't a bad player. In the prem, I'd only have the likes of Haaland, Watkins and Isak ahead of him (off the top of my head, am sure there are more), and from outside, its only the likes of Gyokeres, Osimhen, Sesko etc. that I'd obviously prefer, and they're very tricky to buy. I've excluded obviously unobtainable players
- with the back up players we have (Son, Deki, kids) I don't think we're really suffering there yet, though it will absolutely need addressing in the year(s) to come

10: Not overly worried but Maddison needs competition
- Some great kids coming through there
- Maddison was amazing at first
- I think Eze providing competition would be great
- but not too concerned

8: Not worried at all
- Have some good players there, with cover, and some kids
- Only if we don't believe Bentancur will get back to form would I feel the need to bolster

6: I think we're OK
- Gray is the long term bet there
- Bissouma is fine there
- think through a mix of options at 6 & 8 we're OK

I get where you're coming from, but realistically, we'd need to be spending a ton of money on players who are not necessarily available (in particular to a club outside of the CL) to genuinely improve some of those positions.

Eze and Neto would take us up a level. If we get them, I'm happy. Ideally we'd buy some cover elsewhere, but I'd be happy with those two.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

I think that goes too far personally, albeit to be fair, it depends on what you're shooting for, and how quickly you expect to get there.

There are some areas where it's clear what we have is either part of a longer term project/short fix, or just not good enough, but I don't think it's as bad as you say. Focusing on the (potentially) problem positions, which I wouldn't disagree with:

RW & LW: definite need of improvement
- Johnson needs time, but could come good. Wouldn't want to be overly judgmental at this point
- Son is on the way down and will need succession planning
- Deki isn't the answer
- we're definitely light here and need at least one this season, and I'd like to think this will be (in part) addressed

Striker: would benefit from improvement, but isn't in such a bad shape
- Richi isn't a bad player. In the prem, I'd only have the likes of Haaland, Watkins and Isak ahead of him (off the top of my head, am sure there are more), and from outside, its only the likes of Gyokeres, Osimhen, Sesko etc. that I'd obviously prefer, and they're very tricky to buy. I've excluded obviously unobtainable players
- with the back up players we have (Son, Deki, kids) I don't think we're really suffering there yet, though it will absolutely need addressing in the year(s) to come

10: Not overly worried but Maddison needs competition
- Some great kids coming through there
- Maddison was amazing at first
- I think Eze providing competition would be great
- but not too concerned

8: Not worried at all
- Have some good players there, with cover, and some kids
- Only if we don't believe Bentancur will get back to form would I feel the need to bolster

6: I think we're OK
- Gray is the long term bet there
- Bissouma is fine there
- think through a mix of options at 6 & 8 we're OK

I get where you're coming from, but realistically, we'd need to be spending a ton of money on players who are not necessarily available (in particular to a club outside of the CL) to genuinely improve some of those positions.

Eze and Neto would take us up a level. If we get them, I'm happy. Ideally we'd buy some cover elsewhere, but I'd be happy with those two.

I would agree with a lot of what you’re saying but I’ll give my assessment of the positions that I feel need addressing….

RW: I like Johnson but not as a regular starter. I don’t think he has the personality to dominate on the pitch at the moment and feel he would work best as an impact sub. I don’t think Kulusevski is suited to Ange’s style so feel that we need a starter here. Personally I would go for Chiesa.

ST: For me this is crucial. Again I like Richy but he’s just not reliable. I do like Kulusevski here as an option and I think Lankshear has great potential but a top class striker should be top of the list for me.

10: Maddison just doesn’t do it for me (sorry), he’s another that cannot be relied upon, even before we signed him I worried about his injury record. He also doesn’t offer enough of a goal threat. Eze please.

8: It does look like we’re stacked in this position, however I’m not sure Ange truly trusts the options he has. I’d be content with what we have but I don’t think Ange is, hence the constant links to Gallagher and Ramsey

6: Again I like Bissouma but he’s another that can be quite unreliable. I like Gray as a long term option but there are no guarantees that he will be the answer. If Ange is happy to run with his options then fine but my feeling is that we need another long term solution. Maybe if Bentancur can get back to his earlier form he could be good in this role.

This is what I mean by major surgery, I don’t expect this to be addressed right away but feel that we are a long way off challenging the top teams and at the moment I wouldn’t put us higher than 5th or 6th. I think Ange has lofty ambitions and he will want to be challenging sooner than perhaps our owners do. Let’s see where we’re at at the end of the transfer window, but I feel that we will be disappointed again.

 

[eddiebailey]

This is where I think we are.

Reguilon, Lo Celso, not wanted on voyage.

Spence, Emerson, Skipp, will only go if someone meets our asking price. With the latter two that probably happens. Not necessarily a need for direct replacements.

Richarlison if he goes he’s replaced.

Solomon, Phillips, Veliz, Scarlett need loans. (As do Keeley, Ashcroft, John and Soonsup-Bell).

If we bring in another keeper it’s at the expense of Forster rather than Austin.

Donley and Devine will stay unless we get really good loan offers. Lankshear stays to get CT status and Moore stays as part of first team squad.

Gunter, Hall and Abbott return to U21s with some first team involvement. See also Dorrington when fit.

This leaves us with:

CT: Austin, Whiteman, Skipp, Robson (4)

AT: Forster; Spence; Davies; Gray; Maddison; Johnson (6)

Non-HG: Vicario, Porro, Emerson, Dragusin, Romero, van de Ven, Bissouma, Bentacur, Sarr, Bergvall, Kulusevski, Richarlison, Son, Werner (15)

B-list: Devine, Donley, Moore, Lankshear, Gunter, Dorrington, Hall, Abbott.

So, unless we re-sign formerly CT players, any incomings are dependent really on shifting Emerson and Richarlison, or maybe Spence. Though it’s possible we could create extra space in the Europa squad by leaving out someone, probably Forster (who would still be eligible for PL since Gray and Bergvall will count as U21).

 

[golfspurs]

This is where I think we are.

Reguilon, Lo Celso, not wanted on voyage.

Spence, Emerson, Skipp, will only go if someone meets our asking price. With the latter two that probably happens. Not necessarily a need for direct replacements.

Richarlison if he goes he’s replaced.

Solomon, Phillips, Veliz, Scarlett need loans. (As do Keeley, Ashcroft, John and Soonsup-Bell).

If we bring in another keeper it’s at the expense of Forster rather than Austin.

Donley and Devine will stay unless we get really good loan offers. Lankshear stays to get CT status and Moore stays as part of first team squad.

Gunter, Hall and Abbott return to U21s with some first team involvement. See also Dorrington when fit.

This leaves us with:

CT: Austin, Whiteman, Skipp, Robson (4)

AT: Forster; Spence; Davies; Gray; Maddison; Johnson (6)

Non-HG: Vicario, Porro, Emerson, Dragusin, Romero, van de Ven, Bissouma, Bentacur, Sarr, Bergvall, Kulusevski, Richarlison, Son, Werner (15)

B-list: Devine, Donley, Moore, Lankshear, Gunter, Dorrington, Hall, Abbott.

So, unless we re-sign formerly CT players, any incomings are dependent really on shifting Emerson and Richarlison, or maybe Spence. Though it’s possible we could create extra space in the Europa squad by leaving out someone, probably Forster (who would still be eligible for PL since Gray and Bergvall will count as U21).

Refer Uefa Rules now Devine can’t register in List B
Because last season we send him on loan more than 1 time

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Refer Uefa Rules now Devine can’t register in List B
Because last season we send him on loan more than 1 time

I don't think that is true.

The loan qualification applies to the "or total of 3 consecutive years..."

Devine was with us for the 20/21 and 21/22 seasons - uninterrupted.

 

[eddiebailey]

I don't think that is true.

The loan qualification applies to the "or total of 3 consecutive years..."

Devine was with us for the 20/21 and 21/22 seasons - uninterrupted.

Agreed. In fact he was also with us for 22/23, so he is fully club trained now, meaning his club trained status won’t be affected by further loans.

 

[golfspurs]

I don't think that is true.

The loan qualification applies to the "or total of 3 consecutive years..."

Devine was with us for the 20/21 and 21/22 seasons - uninterrupted.

I know that he is the Club Trained now but not sure for the Rules 31.12 for the last 2 loaned will impact or not maybe I not read properly

Thanks for clarifying 🫡

 

[golfspurs]

I don't think that is true.

The loan qualification applies to the "or total of 3 consecutive years..."

Devine was with us for the 20/21 and 21/22 seasons - uninterrupted.

Another question that I would like to ask you for my understanding
Now Ashley Phillips can’t be Club Trained with us anymore because we send him on loan last season that correct?

thanks

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Another question that I would like to ask you for my understanding
Now Ashley Phillips can’t be Club Trained with us anymore because we send him on loan last season that correct?

thanks

When it comes to Phillips - I don't think he can become club trained - but its tricky.

The Rule:

A "club-trained player" is a player who, between the ages of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of the player's nationality and age, has been registered with the player's current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship) or of 36 months. In the context of this paragraph, the season immediately preceding a player’s 15th birthday may be counted if the player's birthday is after the last match of the relevant national championship but before or on 30 June (winter championships) or 31 December (summer championships), and the season immediately following the player's 21st birthday may be counted if the player's birthday is on or after 1 July (winter championships) or 1 January (summer championships) but before the first match of the relevant national championship.



When it comes to Phillips - he is 19 right now. In theory, he can be registered at Spurs for his age 19, 20, and 21 seasons - thus satisfying the 3 entire seasons.

The tricky part comes from what defines the start/end of the season. The key language is: "(or the end of the season during which the player turns 21)". Phillips birthday is June 26 - which is after the prior season ends - but before the next season starts - so what season counts as the season during which the player turns 21?

I suspect it will be the season just concluded before his birthday - thus - he will not get 3 years at Spurs - only 2.


I also think this could be a moot point, as it seems more likely that he is loaned out again this year - and thus we would be looking at him as an association trained player.

 

[golfspurs]

When it comes to Phillips - I don't think he can become club trained - but its tricky.

The Rule:

A "club-trained player" is a player who, between the ages of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of the player's nationality and age, has been registered with the player's current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship) or of 36 months. In the context of this paragraph, the season immediately preceding a player’s 15th birthday may be counted if the player's birthday is after the last match of the relevant national championship but before or on 30 June (winter championships) or 31 December (summer championships), and the season immediately following the player's 21st birthday may be counted if the player's birthday is on or after 1 July (winter championships) or 1 January (summer championships) but before the first match of the relevant national championship.



When it comes to Phillips - he is 19 right now. In theory, he can be registered at Spurs for his age 19, 20, and 21 seasons - thus satisfying the 3 entire seasons.

The tricky part comes from what defines the start/end of the season. The key language is: "(or the end of the season during which the player turns 21)". Phillips birthday is June 26 - which is after the prior season ends - but before the next season starts - so what season counts as the season during which the player turns 21?

I suspect it will be the season just concluded before his birthday - thus - he will not get 3 years at Spurs - only 2.


I also think this could be a moot point, as it seems more likely that he is loaned out again this year - and thus we would be looking at him as an association trained player.

Yes I think so

same as Yang (the new Korean Kid) he can’t be club trained quota when we decided him to joint us in January

thanks for clarify that

 

[Majick]

As far as I'm aware (and I'm happy to be corrected here) the UEFA season runs from July 1st-June 30th so Phillips' birthday comes at the end of the season rather than the start of the next one.

From rule 31.07 of the Conference League handbook (the first one I found - experience suggests the same language will appear in the other competition handbooks):

In the context of this paragraph, the season immediately preceding a player’s 15th birthday may be counted if the player's birthday is after the last match of the relevant national championship but before or on 30 June (winter championships) or 31 December (summer championships), and the season immediately following the player's 21st birthday may be counted if the player's birthday is on or after 1 July (winter championships) or 1 January (summer championships) but before the first match of the relevant national championship.

 

[spurs9]

When it comes to Phillips - I don't think he can become club trained - but its tricky.

The Rule:

A "club-trained player" is a player who, between the ages of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of the player's nationality and age, has been registered with the player's current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship) or of 36 months. In the context of this paragraph, the season immediately preceding a player’s 15th birthday may be counted if the player's birthday is after the last match of the relevant national championship but before or on 30 June (winter championships) or 31 December (summer championships), and the season immediately following the player's 21st birthday may be counted if the player's birthday is on or after 1 July (winter championships) or 1 January (summer championships) but before the first match of the relevant national championship.



When it comes to Phillips - he is 19 right now. In theory, he can be registered at Spurs for his age 19, 20, and 21 seasons - thus satisfying the 3 entire seasons.

The tricky part comes from what defines the start/end of the season. The key language is: "(or the end of the season during which the player turns 21)". Phillips birthday is June 26 - which is after the prior season ends - but before the next season starts - so what season counts as the season during which the player turns 21?

I suspect it will be the season just concluded before his birthday - thus - he will not get 3 years at Spurs - only 2.


I also think this could be a moot point, as it seems more likely that he is loaned out again this year - and thus we would be looking at him as an association trained player.

Unfortunately not. From UEFA:

"and the season immediately following the player's 21st birthday may be counted if the player's birthday is on or after 1 July (winter championships)"

 

[spurs9]

As far as I'm aware (and I'm happy to be corrected here) the UEFA season runs from July 1st-June 30th so Phillips' birthday comes at the end of the season rather than the start of the next one.

From rule 31.07 of the Conference League handbook (the first one I found - experience suggests the same language will appear in the other competition handbooks):

In the context of Home grown rules, a full UEFA season is 1st game of the season until 30th June.

 

[Tottenham_God]

When we line up Bentancur Bervall Gray our average midfield height will be 187cm . Very sexy

 

[karennina]

ST: For me this is crucial. Again I like Richy but he’s just not reliable.

Richy has never managed better than a 13 goal PL season, despite playing 27 or more PL games seven seasons in a row.

Relying on him would be quite crazy, but given he has a great attitude and is capable of purple patches of form, I think it'd be much better to keep him as a backup, maybe use him as a sub we could try to hit with crosses in the chaotic last quarter of games, than to ship him off. Then with Kulu as a third option we'd look rather strong there.

 

[eddiebailey]

Richy has never managed better than a 13 goal PL season, despite playing 27 or more PL games seven seasons in a row.

Relying on him would be quite crazy, but given he has a great attitude and is capable of purple patches of form, I think it'd be much better to keep him as a backup, maybe use him as a sub we could try to hit with crosses in the chaotic last quarter of games, than to ship him off. Then with Kulu as a third option we'd look rather strong there.

In terms of squad size shipping out Richarlison is pretty much a prerequisite of bringing in a new striker, at least if we want to bring in anyone else.

 

[brendanb50]

Richy has never managed better than a 13 goal PL season, despite playing 27 or more PL games seven seasons in a row.

Relying on him would be quite crazy, but given he has a great attitude and is capable of purple patches of form, I think it'd be much better to keep him as a backup, maybe use him as a sub we could try to hit with crosses in the chaotic last quarter of games, than to ship him off. Then with Kulu as a third option we'd look rather strong there.

I agree with your sentiments but as @eddiebailey said, I think we seem to be looking to trade Richie for a more consistent option. Seems like business were actively looking at/happy to do based on the reports

 

[karennina]

In terms of squad size shipping out Richarlison is pretty much a prerequisite of bringing in a new striker, at least if we want to bring in anyone else.

Oh. Well I'm sure that's true if you say so. From a footballing perspective I think the theatre of late sub minutes would have suited his minutes-per-goal ratio a lot. But given the squad requirements, I revise my opinion to him urgently needing replacement

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

If I was making the decisions:

GK: Vicario, Austin
RB: Porro, Spence
RCB: Romero, Dragusin
LCB: VdV, Davies
LB: Udogie, Donley
CM(6): Bissouma, Gray
CM(8): Sarr, Bergvall, Bentancur*
CM(10): Maddison, Kulusevski
LW: Son, Werner
Striker: Richarlison, David
RW: Neto, Johnson

Squad: Moore, Lankshear, Devine

*We have only 1 spot for a non-HG player in Europa - but I would not register Forster to free up the extra roster spot. (16 non-HG, and 5 association trained HG)

If we bring in a 3rd player (i.e. an Eze) - non-HG or Association Trained - we would have to leave someone else off the Europa League squad.

 

[Esco]

If I was making the decisions:

GK: Vicario, Austin
RB: Porro, Spence
RCB: Romero, Dragusin
LCB: VdV, Davies
LB: Udogie, Donley
CM(6): Bissouma, Gray
CM(8): Sarr, Bergvall, Bentancur*
CM(10): Maddison, Kulusevski
LW: Son, Werner
Striker: Richarlison, David
RW: Neto, Johnson

Squad: Moore, Lankshear, Devine

*We have only 1 spot for a non-HG player in Europa - but I would not register Forster to free up the extra roster spot. (16 non-HG, and 5 association trained HG)

If we bring in a 3rd player (i.e. an Eze) - non-HG or Association Trained - we would have to leave someone else off the Europa League squad.

I would be interested in hearing where people rank this squad (with and without the suggested signings) compared to other top squads in the league.

I’d say top 6, maybe top 4, but would struggle to trouble the likes of City and Arsenal (even Liverpool) over a whole season.