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DogsOfWar

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When you consider none of those are considered world class or have played at the highest level, but would probably set us back best part of quarter of a billion pounds, it shows why we do have to look for 'value'.
 

ItsBoris

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I'd sign Gray as DM/RB cover
Brahim Diaz as right winger (I don't think he'll be getting games at Madrid with Mbappe and Endrick coming in)
Gudmundsson as a versatile attacker/false 9/Maddison backup
Mats Hummels as a 4th choice CB just to add some experience to the squad.

Maybe sign a proper striker too if we can afford it, but I liked how we played with the false 9 against City and I think Gudmundsson would be good at that.
 

SpursAddict

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Top priorities for me would be:
1. Striker
2. Right Winger
3. Holding midfielder
4. Right back
5. Left back

Ideally, the squad would look something like this:

GK: Vicario, Forster, Austin
RB: Porro, KWP
CB: Romero, Dragusin, VDV, Philips
LB: Udogie, Robinson
CDM: Bissouma, Gray
CM: Bentancur, Sarr, Bergvall
CAM: Maddison, Kulusevski
RW: Neto, Johnson
LW: Son, Werner, Moore
ST: Ferguson, Richarlison

Kept this quite realistic with 5 signings, 4 of them being homegrown. These proposed signings would fall within the philosophy of the club of young players who have room for development.

-KWP would provide that club trained cushion we are looking for whilst also being familiar with Ange’s inverted full back role since Southampton also play this style of football.
-Robinson impressed me whenever I watched Fulham and would push Udogie for a starting place which would hopefully bring the best out of both of them.
-Gray has a really high ceiling and his versatility means that he will get plenty of minutes under his belt, especially with Europa League football. Seems to be a no brainer with Leeds hoping to land Rodon and just makes too much sense.
-Neto is controversial due to his injury record. I would personally take a chance on him. I think Wolves wouldn’t stand in his way if he expresses his desire to leave. When he’s available he’s a champions league player no doubt, it’s all about whether he can maintain his fitness. I think he’s perfect for the way Ange wants his wingers to play and along with Kulu and Johnson, I think we’d be covered in case he misses games through injury.
-Ferguson, despite the poor season he’s had, I still think he has the assets to become a top class striker. He proved it in the past and I’m sure he’ll find that form again. He might be more attainable this summer and now would be the chance to put in a cheeky bid, before his value skyrockets again.
 

Johno1470

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The complexities re squad registration and the slight differences with European football will undoubtedly have a huge bearing on who we can/can't bring in. Based on recent rumours and who we expect to sell, I have removed the following from any potential squad:

Hojbjerg
Emerson
Skipp (Club Trained)
Spence (Association Trained)
Tanganga (Club Trained)
Rodon (Association Trained)
Gil
Lo Celso
N'Dombele
Regulion.

If the above leave, then we will be left with a total of 14 non home grown players for PL registration and four HG players. We will have scope to sign/register:
3 non-homegrown and four homegrown players.


Non HG 14/17
Vicario
Romero
Porro
Dragusin
Van de Ven
Udogie
Bissouma
Bentancur
Sarr
Kulusevksi
Werner
Solomon
Richarlison
Son

HG 4/8
Johnson
Maddison
Forster
Austin

U21
Bergvall
Phillips
Veliz
Scarlett
Devine

The issue however is for European competitions. We can register 25 players in List A and much like the PL rules, we need to register a minimum of 8 locally trained players. HOWEVER, we can only name a maximum of four association trained players e.g., Maddison, Johnson, Forster. At present, we already have three. In terms of club trained players, we only have Austin and Whiteman potentially (Skipp if he stays).

Additionally, Phillips, Bergvall and Veliz haven't been at the club long enough to qualify for List B, so they will need to be included in List A if we wish to have them involved, bringing our total number to 17/17. Given that it's likely both Veliz and Phillips will be loaned out again, we are likely working with 15/17.

List A 17/17
Vicario
Romero
Porro
Dragusin
Van de Ven
Udogie
Bissouma
Bentancur
Sarr
Kulusevksi
Werner
Solomon
Richarlison
Son
Bergvall
Phillips
Veliz

Locally Trained 4/8
Club Trained 1/4
Austin

Association Trained 3/4
Johnson
Maddison
Forster

List B: No cap.
Scarlett
Devine
Dorrington
Moore
Donley etc.

So in terms of European registration, we have scope for registering two non-hg players and 4 locally trained players, however 3 of these need to be club trained e.g., which is why Edwards, KWP are being linked.

This then results in a Tetris style job of trying to fit any new signings in and deciding on who we should and shouldn't let go. It may also result in one player being registered for the PL squad, but not the Europa League.

For example, if we were to sign the following:
Eze
Giminez
Kyle Walker-Peters
Gallagher

All would be suitable to register for the Premier League, however, for Europa, we are unable to register both Gallagher and Eze as they are association trained players and we already have 3/4 (Maddison, Johnson & Forster). KWP is fine because he is club trained and we will have space. We would likely need to remove Forster from the squad to register both Eze and Gallagher, however we will be taking a big risk in giving Austin the number two slot for a European campaign.

Additionally, should we sign 3 non HG players, all would be fine to register for PL however one would need to miss out on the European squad as we only have two places (if Bergvall is included).

I fear in a way that we may not be signing the best players for our squad and may need to resort to who suits our registration quota. There will be some difficult decisions to make this summer transfer window and I would not be surprised at all to see a shock departure. There have been slight question marks and hints that we may listen to offers for Bissouma, Richarlison, Kulusevksi. Many were also shocked to learn that we signed Werner for another year, as it puts some more pressure on registration places.
 

Coolpudge

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From an article in the Athletic saying we don’t have a set budget which on the one hand encourages me. If there is a player Ange wants there are no financial restrictions on our ability to get him. However I fear I’m being far to optimistic and I am not thinking the right way about this.
 

Mellow Man Ace

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I would like to see Toney (assuming Ange is happy) and Raphina come in and us to have a front 3 of:

Son (LWF)----Toney (ST)----Raphina (RWF)

I'd have Werner as the LWF back up and Johnson as the RWF back up.

I dont see Kulu excelling in any other position than as a back up 10 or a false 9 so I'd keep him on that basis. I'd sell Skipp, PEH and go all out for a really strong DM...someone like Locatelli or if we are strapped for cash a cheaper option like Sangare.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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we are unable to register both Gallagher and Eze as they are association trained players and we already have 3/4 (Maddison, Johnson & Forster).
This is not precisely true.

We could register both, but only one would count towards the extra allotment for association trained players, and the other could be registered as part of the 17 non-HG allotment.

4 association-trained players is not a maximum. In theory, we could have up to 21 association-trained players in Europe (but no non-HG players)
 

SaiboT

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100% this tbh. Would maybe change eze against a top RW instead as i see kulu as more of a 10 .
Just to clarify i dont mean i think kulu is more of a 10 than Eze, but just dont feel we need a £70m #10 when we already have Madders. Kulu should be backup 10.
 

Johno1470

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This is not precisely true.

We could register both, but only one would count towards the extra allotment for association trained players, and the other could be registered as part of the 17 non-HG allotment.

4 association-trained players is not a maximum. In theory, we could have up to 21 association-trained players in Europe (but no non-HG players)
Apologies, I should have said that we couldn’t register both providing we fulfil the quota of non HG players.
 

Revo19

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Best Case Scenario (where we sell all outgoings)

Incomings:
Eberechi Eze (HG)
Amadou Onana / Matt O’Riley (HG)
Dusan Vlahovic / Vitor Roque (loan)
Ola Aina (HG) / KWP (CT
Marcus Edwards (CT)

Outgoing:
Royal
Spence
Rodon
Tanganga
Parrot
Hojbjerg
Lo Celso
Richarlison
Skipp
Ndombele
Bryan Gil
Solomon

Loan Out:
Alejo Veliz - Italy or Spain
Jamie Donley (if Eze arrives)
Alfie Devine
Yago Santiago
Alfie Dorrington
Tyrese Hall

Promote:
Ashley Philips
Nile John
Will Lankshear


First Team:
Vicario
Forster (HG)
Austin (CT)
Whiteman (CT)

Cristian Romero
Micky Van De Ven
Radu Dragusin
Ashley Philips (U21)
Pedro Porro
Destiny Udogie
Ben Davies (HG)
KWP (CT) / Ola Aina (HG)


Yves Bissouma
Pape Sarr (U21)
Nile John (CT /U21)
Amadou Onana
Rodrigo Bentancur
Lucas Bergvall (U21)
James Maddison (HG)
Dejan Kulusevski

Eberechi Eze (HG)
Brennan Johnson (HG)
Marcus Edwards (CT)
Heung Min Son
Timo Werner

Dusan Vlahovic
Dane Scarlett (U21)
Will Lankshear (U21)
 
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kernowspurscoach1977

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Best Case Scenario (where we sell all outgoings)

Incomings:
Eberechi Eze (HG)
Amadou Onana / Matt O’Riley (HG)
Dusan Vlahovic / Vitor Roque (loan)
Ola Aina (HG) / KWP (CT
Marcus Edwards (CT)

Outgoing:
Royal
Spence
Rodon
Tanganga
Parrot
Hojbjerg
Lo Celso
Richarlison
Skipp
Ndombele
Bryan Gil
Solomon

Loan Out:
Alejo Veliz - Italy or Spain
Jamie Donley (if Eze arrives)
Alfie Devine
Yago Santiago
Alfie Dorrington
Tyrese Hall

Promote:
Ashley Philips
Nile John
Will Lankshear


First Team:
Vicario
Forster (HG)
Austin (CT)
Whiteman (CT)

Cristian Romero
Micky Van De Ven
Radu Dragusin
Ashley Philips (U21)
Pedro Porro
Destiny Udogie
Ben Davies (HG)
KWP (CT) / Ola Aina (HG)


Yves Bissouma
Pape Sarr (U21)
Nile John (CT /U21)
Amadou Onana
Rodrigo Bentancur
Lucas Bergvall (U21)
James Maddison (HG)
Dejan Kulusevski

Eberechi Eze (HG)
Brennan Johnson (HG)
Marcus Edwards (CT)
Heung Min Son
Timo Werner

Dusan Vlahovic
Dane Scarlett (U21)
Will Lankshear (U21)
What’s your idea for Mikey Moore?
 

TEESSIDE1

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Given our club trained/homegrown issues it’s a tad concerning the players we’re being linked with. I know it’s not as simple as saying let’s sign Gray, Branthwaite (pipe dream), Eze etc but the players we’re being linked with - KWP, Edwards, Bellingham MK 2, Toney aren’t going to do the one thing we desperately need and that’s add improvements to our existing squad. They’re no better, if not worse than what we already have.

I’m also concerned re our striker situation. It would be nice to have some clarity whether we’re wanting a new number one striker plus keeping Richarlison (who’s rumoured to be available for sale) or if the new striker would be to replace Richarlison. If the latter, even if he’s a better player than Richi, it’s going to do nothing for our depth and we would be one injury away from being back to square one. Surely if Richi left, we would have to bring in two strikers. The youngsters - no idea if they’ll stay or go but none of them have shown anything to suggest they’re currently better than being 3rd choice at best.
 
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TEESSIDE1

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Squad wise I’ve a different view especially in the GK dept.

Vicario - number one

Forster - way passed his sell by date. Poor with his feet, rarely comes off his line at set pieces and has the flexibility of a static caravan. His penalty shoot appearance where he remained rooted to his line for all 5 pens was embarrassing… he looked completely immobile. Having to rely on him for any Vicario absence will be a disaster.

New number 2 - essential

Where I differ from some of the other views is having Austin and/or Whiteman as number 2, 3, or 4… they’re what? mid 20s and looks miles off it in terms of what you would want in a promising keeper.

For me, and I know they’re both very young, both Keeley and Gunter look very promising keepers and I would therefore rotate them in the under 21s and have them train with the first team where possible. Let them fight it out for our number 3 position. We don’t know if they’ll progress to EPL standard but they both seem to have a lot more about them than Austin and/or Whiteman.
 

kernowspurscoach1977

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U21’s initially. No need to rush or fast track - steady progress for 6 months to a year so he gets regular games. Reassess in January.
I would have him as a first twam
Squad member getting regular minutes - seeing out games

I think he needs to be involved now as he has been and it keeps him fully Engaged with club and shows him he has the opportunity there to take
 

spurs9

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In:
Sesko
Edwards
Gallagher
Calafiori
Gray

Out:
Gil
Solomon
Lo Celos
PEH
Spence
Rodon
Tanganga
Emerson
Ndombele
Sessegnon
Reguilion

Loan:
Veliz
Donley
Hall
Dorrington
Phillips
Vuskovic

This would give us a squad of:
Sesko - NHG
Richarlison - NHG
Lankshear - U21
Son - NHG
Werner - NHG
Edwards - CT
Johnson - HG
Maddison - HG
Kulusevski - NHG
Moore - U21
Gallagher - HG
Sarr - NHG
Bergvall - NHG
Bentancur - NHG
Bissouma - NHG
Skipp - CT
Udogie - NHG
Calafiori - NHG
VdV - NHG
Davies - HG
Romero - NHG
Dragusin - NHG
Porro - NHG
Gray - HG
Vicario - NHG
Forster - HG
Austin - CT

NHG - 16
HG - 6
CT - 3

It's still 1 too many combined for NHG & HG, but thought we could get away with not registering Forster for Europe.

Would probably assess Parrott and Lankshear pre-season too, to see who to keep in the squad.

It does highlight for me the issues we are going to have registering players this season.

It also confirms my initial thought that signing Werner on loan was a poor decision, as it takes up a squad space that we could have used to sign a real difference maker such as Chiesa (apparently available for 25m) or an up and coming player like Doue.
 

Hotspur33

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The complexities re squad registration and the slight differences with European football will undoubtedly have a huge bearing on who we can/can't bring in. Based on recent rumours and who we expect to sell, I have removed the following from any potential squad:

Hojbjerg
Emerson
Skipp (Club Trained)
Spence (Association Trained)
Tanganga (Club Trained)
Rodon (Association Trained)
Gil
Lo Celso
N'Dombele
Regulion.

If the above leave, then we will be left with a total of 14 non home grown players for PL registration and four HG players. We will have scope to sign/register:
3 non-homegrown and four homegrown players.


Non HG 14/17
Vicario
Romero
Porro
Dragusin
Van de Ven
Udogie
Bissouma
Bentancur
Sarr
Kulusevksi
Werner
Solomon
Richarlison
Son

HG 4/8
Johnson
Maddison
Forster
Austin

U21
Bergvall
Phillips
Veliz
Scarlett
Devine

The issue however is for European competitions. We can register 25 players in List A and much like the PL rules, we need to register a minimum of 8 locally trained players. HOWEVER, we can only name a maximum of four association trained players e.g., Maddison, Johnson, Forster. At present, we already have three. In terms of club trained players, we only have Austin and Whiteman potentially (Skipp if he stays).

Additionally, Phillips, Bergvall and Veliz haven't been at the club long enough to qualify for List B, so they will need to be included in List A if we wish to have them involved, bringing our total number to 17/17. Given that it's likely both Veliz and Phillips will be loaned out again, we are likely working with 15/17.

List A 17/17
Vicario
Romero
Porro
Dragusin
Van de Ven
Udogie
Bissouma
Bentancur
Sarr
Kulusevksi
Werner
Solomon
Richarlison
Son
Bergvall
Phillips
Veliz

Locally Trained 4/8
Club Trained 1/4
Austin

Association Trained 3/4
Johnson
Maddison
Forster

List B: No cap.
Scarlett
Devine
Dorrington
Moore
Donley etc.

So in terms of European registration, we have scope for registering two non-hg players and 4 locally trained players, however 3 of these need to be club trained e.g., which is why Edwards, KWP are being linked.

This then results in a Tetris style job of trying to fit any new signings in and deciding on who we should and shouldn't let go. It may also result in one player being registered for the PL squad, but not the Europa League.

For example, if we were to sign the following:
Eze
Giminez
Kyle Walker-Peters
Gallagher

All would be suitable to register for the Premier League, however, for Europa, we are unable to register both Gallagher and Eze as they are association trained players and we already have 3/4 (Maddison, Johnson & Forster). KWP is fine because he is club trained and we will have space. We would likely need to remove Forster from the squad to register both Eze and Gallagher, however we will be taking a big risk in giving Austin the number two slot for a European campaign.

Additionally, should we sign 3 non HG players, all would be fine to register for PL however one would need to miss out on the European squad as we only have two places (if Bergvall is included).

I fear in a way that we may not be signing the best players for our squad and may need to resort to who suits our registration quota. There will be some difficult decisions to make this summer transfer window and I would not be surprised at all to see a shock departure. There have been slight question marks and hints that we may listen to offers for Bissouma, Richarlison, Kulusevksi. Many were also shocked to learn that we signed Werner for another year, as it puts some more pressure on registration places.
Excellent post. Well presented.

I’d be happy if we can shift as many as possible from the departure section you have listed.
For the most part those players have failed to convince multiple managers/coaches that they are able to play for the club. (Hojbjerg, Emerson and Skipp being the exceptions)

As far as the European squad, if we have to resort to using some of our exciting academy players then I don’t see it as a bad thing.
The main problem is if we have to leave out a senior 1st team player, how does that player react to it?
But I’d sooner buy quality regardless of their nationality over buying a squad player simply for compliance.
 

Coolpudge

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Squad wise I’ve a different view especially in the GK dept.

Vicario - number one

Forster - way passed his sell by date. Poor with his feet, rarely comes off his line at set pieces and has the flexibility of a static caravan. His penalty shoot appearance where he remained rooted to his line for all 5 pens was embarrassing… he looked completely immobile. Having to rely on him for any Vicario absence will be a disaster.

New number 2 - essential

Where I differ from some of the other views is having Austin and/or Whiteman as number 2, 3, or 4… they’re what? mid 20s and looks miles off it in terms of what you would want in a promising keeper.

For me, and I know they’re both very young, both Keeley and Gunter look very promising keepers and I would therefore rotate them in the under 21s and have them train with the first team where possible. Let them fight it out for our number 3 position. We don’t know if they’ll progress to EPL standard but they both seem to have a lot more about them than Austin and/or Whiteman.
You don’t think Keeley and Gunter would benefit more playing games in the lower leagues? Or at least one of them? Keeley apparently played well in the National League this season with Barnet and played regularly. I think if he was good enough for that level they should try and get him a loan to at least a league two team rather then playing for our under 21’s again. Seems like a step backwards to me. But I will admit I haven’t seen him play, just that I think the standard of PL2 is lower than the National League.

Gunter I saw in the playoff final against Sunderland and seen some of the highlights of the previous round and he looks like he’s ready for some first team football as well.
 

spurs9

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Squad wise I’ve a different view especially in the GK dept.

Vicario - number one

Forster - way passed his sell by date. Poor with his feet, rarely comes off his line at set pieces and has the flexibility of a static caravan. His penalty shoot appearance where he remained rooted to his line for all 5 pens was embarrassing… he looked completely immobile. Having to rely on him for any Vicario absence will be a disaster.

New number 2 - essential

Where I differ from some of the other views is having Austin and/or Whiteman as number 2, 3, or 4… they’re what? mid 20s and looks miles off it in terms of what you would want in a promising keeper.

For me, and I know they’re both very young, both Keeley and Gunter look very promising keepers and I would therefore rotate them in the under 21s and have them train with the first team where possible. Let them fight it out for our number 3 position. We don’t know if they’ll progress to EPL standard but they both seem to have a lot more about them than Austin and/or Whiteman.
FYI Keeley doesn't (and never will) count as HG, so would take up a "None-HG" spot.
 
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