Your Spurs Squad for 24-25 Season

[spurs9]

We going to have some issues registering our squad for the Europa league. The issue isn't Association Trained HG players v Non HG players, it is the total of the 2,

Basically the rules are, for list A (players over 21 or under 21 but haven't been at the club for 2 years or more), you can have a max squad size of 25, of which 4 must be at least Club Trained, 4 must be at least Association Trained and 17 don't need to be either. Obviously you can have a smaller squad but the main issue, is you can only have 21 players that aren't Club trained or eligible for list b. With who we are reported to be looking to bring in, even if we sell Gil, Solomon (if we bring in a winger), Lo Celso, PEH, Regulion, and either Spence or Emerson (or both and sign a new RB), we will still have 23, so 2 too many. Not registering Forster for Europe will take care of one spot, but looks like an additional CM that isn't Skipp will have to go unless we see Gray as the back up RB.

Richarlison/New Striker - Not HG
Kulusevski - Not HG
Son - Non HG
Werner - Non HG
New RW/Solomon - Non HG
Johnson - AT
Maddison - AT
Eze/Ramsey/Doue - AT/Non HG
Sarr - Non HG
Bergvall - Non HG
Bentancur - Non HG
Bissouma - Non HG
Gray - AT
Skipp - CT
Udogie - Non HG
New LB - probably Non HG
Van Der Ven - Non HG
Davies - AT
Romero - Non HG
Dragusin - Non HG
Porro - Non HG
Emerson/Spence/New RB - Non HG/AT
Vicario - Non HG
Forster - AT
Austin - CT

Non HG & AT combined - 23
CT - 2

Lankshear, Moore, Donley, Devine, Hall, Dorrington andGunter can all go on List B.

Adjusted based on D1's ITK that aren't looking at FBs due to Donley & Spence impressing and since it looks like we want a striker without selling Richarlison. Even with selling Lo Celso, Emerson, Regulion & Solomon, Loaning Veliz and Phillips and not registering Forster for Europe, we are a player heavy. With that in mind, if we can't bring in someone like Eze or Doue, I think I would rather not bring in another CM/AM. If we do, Bentancur or Bissouma needs to make way IMO.

Richarlison - Not HG
New Striker - AT/Not HG
Kulusevski - Not HG
Son - Non HG
Werner - Non HG
New RW/Solomon - AT/Non HG
Johnson - AT
Maddison - AT
New AM - AT/Non HG
Sarr - Non HG
Bergvall - Non HG
Bentancur - Non HG
Bissouma - Non HG
Gray - AT
Skipp - CT
Udogie - Non HG
Donley - U21
Van Der Ven - Non HG
Davies - AT
Romero - Non HG
Dragusin - Non HG
Porro - Non HG
Spence - AT
Vicario - Non HG
Forster - AT
Austin - CT

Non HG & AT combined - 23
CT - 2

Lankshear, Moore, Devine, Hall, Dorrington and Gunter can all go on List B.

 

[brasil_spur]

Adjusted based on D1's ITK that aren't looking at FBs due to Donley & Spence impressing and since it looks like we want a striker without selling Richarlison. Even with selling Lo Celso, Emerson, Regulion & Solomon, Loaning Veliz and Phillips and not registering Forster for Europe, we are a player heavy. With that in mind, if we can't bring in someone like Eze or Doue, I think I would rather not bring in another CM/AM. If we do, Bentancur or Bissouma needs to make way IMO.

Richarlison - Not HG
New Striker - AT/Not HG
Kulusevski - Not HG
Son - Non HG
Werner - Non HG
New RW/Solomon - AT/Non HG
Johnson - AT
Maddison - AT
New AM - AT/Non HG
Sarr - Non HG
Bergvall - Non HG
Bentancur - Non HG
Bissouma - Non HG
Gray - AT
Skipp - CT
Udogie - Non HG
Donley - U21
Van Der Ven - Non HG
Davies - AT
Romero - Non HG
Dragusin - Non HG
Porro - Non HG
Spence - AT
Vicario - Non HG
Forster - AT
Austin - CT

Non HG & AT combined - 23
CT - 2

Lankshear, Moore, Devine, Hall, Dorrington and Gunter can all go on List B.

For Europe I see us going with the following squad now:

GK: Vicario (Non HG) & Austin (CT)
RB: Porro (Non HG) & Spence (AT)
CB: Romero (Non HG), Dragusin (Non HG), VDV (Non HG) & Davies (AT)
LB: Udogie (Non HG)
MF: Skipp (CT), Bissouma (Non HG), Gray (AT), Bentancur (Non HG), Sarr (Non HG), Bergval (Non HG) & Maddison (AT)
FW: Solanke (AT), Richarlison (Non HG), Son (Non HG), Werner (Non HG), Johnson (AT) & Kulusevski (Non HG)

So that’s 2 x CT, 6 x AT and 14 Non HG.

That means we have 2 more non HG slots to use up.

For me that’s a RW and LB and then suddenly our squad is looking VERY well balanced, especially once you include the U21 players.

Edit: Only 1 HG spot left - RW it is then.

 

[eddiebailey]

For Europe I see us going with the following squad now:

GK: Vicario (Non HG) & Austin (CT)
RB: Porro (Non HG) & Spence (AT)
CB: Romero (Non HG), Dragusin (Non HG), VDV (Non HG) & Davies (AT)
LB: Udogie (Non HG)
MF: Skipp (CT), Bissouma (Non HG), Gray (AT), Bentancur (Non HG), Sarr (Non HG), Bergval (Non HG) & Maddison (AT)
FW: Solanke (AT), Richarlison (Non HG), Son (Non HG), Werner (Non HG), Johnson (AT) & Kulusevski (Non HG)

So that’s 2 x CT, 6 x AT and 14 Non HG.

That means we have 2 more non HG slots to use up.

For me that’s a RW and LB and then suddenly our squad is looking VERY well balanced, especially once you include the U21 players.

You might need to check your figures. I make that only one non-HG spot to fill.

 

[brasil_spur]

You might need to check your figures. I make that only one non-HG spot to fill.

Yep you’re right

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Had a re-think based on current situation. As much as I think Eze would add to our team, I can’t see it happening. At best, I’m hoping for a proper RWF option with real skill and dynamism, plus a genuine LB option with the athleticism and technical ability to play Ange’s FB role. I’m hoping this becomes a ‘to do’ item once a few more outgoings are done, Emerson, Reguillon, Skipp, Lo Celso and Solomon.

GK - Vicario, Forster, Austin, (Gunter)
RB - Porro, Spence
LB - Udogie, Locko/Dorgu?
RCB - Romero, Dragusin
LCB - VdV, Davies, (Dorrington)
DM - Bissouma, Bentancur, (Gray)
CM - Sarr, (Bergvall/Devine)
AM - Maddison, Kulusevski, (Donley)
RWF - Raphinha/A.N.Other?, Johnson
LWF - Son, Werner, (Moore)
CF - Solanke, Richarlison, (Lankshear)

All well and good for league, 22 listed senior players, 7 HG, 15 non HG. Plus 7/8 of our brightest U21’s, noting some may end up getting loans instead.

For Europe that’s bit more tricky, as we’d need to list Bergvall and Gray in the squad as they have not done 2 years at the club, would still be only 24, but I suspect we would max out at only 22/23 allowed due to the lack of CT options, so would take some serious squad manipulation, maybe Whiteman in place of Forster.

 

[bbunc]

Had a re-think based on current situation. As much as I think Eze would add to our team, I can’t see it happening. At best, I’m hoping for a proper RWF option with real skill and dynamism, plus a genuine LB option with the athleticism and technical ability to play Ange’s FB role. I’m hoping this becomes a ‘to do’ item once a few more outgoings are done, Emerson, Reguillon, Skipp, Lo Celso and Solomon.

GK - Vicario, Forster, Austin, (Gunter)
RB - Porro, Spence
LB - Udogie, Locko/Dorgu?
RCB - Romero, Dragusin
LCB - VdV, Davies, (Dorrington)
DM - Bissouma, Bentancur, (Gray)
CM - Sarr, (Bergvall/Devine)
AM - Maddison, Kulusevski, (Donley)
RWF - Raphinha/A.N.Other?, Johnson
LWF - Son, Werner, (Moore)
CF - Solanke, Richarlison, (Lankshear)

All well and good for league, 22 listed senior players, 7 HG, 15 non HG. Plus 7/8 of our brightest U21’s, noting some may end up getting loans instead.

For Europe that’s bit more tricky, as we’d need to list Bergvall and Gray in the squad as they have not done 2 years at the club, would still be only 24, but I suspect we would max out at only 22/23 allowed due to the lack of CT options, so would take some serious squad manipulation, maybe Whiteman in place of Forster.

You’re still one over for Europe even with not including Forster. The really tough call is at LB in my opinion. Spence is a neat story, but if we really want to compete on multiple fronts we probably do need a real high end backup LB.

At end of day we may rue the Werner loan. Would feel a heck of a lot better with Chiesa vs Werner there.

 

[spurs9]

For Europe I see us going with the following squad now:

GK: Vicario (Non HG) & Austin (CT)
RB: Porro (Non HG) & Spence (AT)
CB: Romero (Non HG), Dragusin (Non HG), VDV (Non HG) & Davies (AT)
LB: Udogie (Non HG)
MF: Skipp (CT), Bissouma (Non HG), Gray (AT), Bentancur (Non HG), Sarr (Non HG), Bergval (Non HG) & Maddison (AT)
FW: Solanke (AT), Richarlison (Non HG), Son (Non HG), Werner (Non HG), Johnson (AT) & Kulusevski (Non HG)

So that’s 2 x CT, 6 x AT and 14 Non HG.

That means we have 2 more non HG slots to use up.

For me that’s a RW and LB and then suddenly our squad is looking VERY well balanced, especially once you include the U21 players.

Edit: Only 1 HG spot left - RW it is then.

Yeah, I agree, but I'm really worried about the LB situation, not going to lie.

 

[Thenewcat]

Yeah, I agree, but I'm really worried about the LB situation, not going to lie.

I think we’ll be ok. If udogie was out against good opposition I suspect we’d see VDV there and dragusin in the middle. Donley Spence and Davies is good enough cover against weaker opposition

 

[spurs9]

I think we’ll be ok. If udogie was out against good opposition I suspect we’d see VDV there and dragusin in the middle. Donley Spence and Davies is good enough cover against weaker opposition

VDV didn't have the best injury record either.

Our defensive record was decent with our 1st choice back 4 last season (average 1.24 goals per game conceded), but was awful when the back ups came in (average 1.90 goals per game conceded). Across 38 games, that is 47 goals conceded v 72.

Now you expect a bit of a drop off, but that is huge. Dragusin will help a bit with this, hopefully Spence will too, but that remains to be seen. That left side though is a huge concern for me.

Edit: It was actually ave 1.19 v 1.91 per game, so 45 v 73 across the season.

 

[Thenewcat]

VDV didn't have the best injury record either.

Our defensive record was decent with our 1st choice back 4 last season (average 1.24 goals per game conceded), but was awful when the back ups came in (average 1.90 goals per game conceded). Across 38 games, that is 47 goals conceded v 72.

Now you expect a bit of a drop off, but that is huge. Dragusin will help a bit with this, hopefully Spence will too, but that remains to be seen. That left side though is a huge concern for me.

Edit: It was actually ave 1.19 v 1.91 per game, so 45 v 73 across the season.

I understand your point but any team would struggle if they are missing two of their best defenders. We aren’t in a position to spend big money for a worst case scenario. That money would be better spend improving our wing options

 

[spurs9]

I understand your point but any team would struggle if they are missing two of their best defenders. We aren’t in a position to spend big money for a worst case scenario. That money would be better spend improving our wing options

It's not even a worst case scenario, it's if Udogie is unavailable and/or needs resting midweek.

Do we need to spend big money on a back up LB?

The problem isn't the money anyway, it's the # of players in the squad for Europe, we have too many.

 

[eddiebailey]

I actually think Davies is adequate cover for both LFB and LCB. The problem comes if we need cover for both positions simultaneously.

 

[Goobers]

I actually think Davies is adequate cover for both LFB and LCB. The problem comes if we need cover for both positions simultaneously.

I think I agree but that left side of the defence in the first half yesterday was really the root of our weakness

 

[Thenewcat]

It's not even a worst case scenario, it's if Udogie is unavailable and/or needs resting midweek.

Do we need to spend big money on a back up LB?

The problem isn't the money anyway, it's the # of players in the squad for Europe, we have too many.

The worst case scenario was a reference to you suggesting Udogie and VDV were both injured at the same time.

At the start of last season we had Udogie and Davies then royal as back ups. Now we have Udogie, then VDV, then Davies, Donley and Spence. It’s much better.

 

[Goobers]

The worst case scenario was a reference to you suggesting Udogie and VDV were both injured at the same time.

At the start of last season we had Udogie and Davies then royal as back ups. Now we have Udogie, then VDV, then Davies, Donley and Spence. It’s much better.

My feeling is that unless the backup left back you choose to sign is affordable, HG, potentially club trained etc then I would stick with Davies and then Spence as back up.

 

[spurs9]

The worst case scenario was a reference to you suggesting Udogie and VDV were both injured at the same time.

At the start of last season we had Udogie and Davies then royal as back ups. Now we have Udogie, then VDV, then Davies, Donley and Spence. It’s much better.

Donley hadn't played LB prior to pre-season and Spence hasn't been impressing there. All the others you mentioned were there last season.

 

[Thenewcat]

Donley hadn't played LB prior to pre-season and Spence hasn't been impressing there. All the others you mentioned were there last season.

Really not sure what your argument is now. Dragusin was not there at the start of last season and was only integrated into the team at the very end of the year. And so what if Donley hasn’t played there before if he’s considered a good option? Spence is probably 5th choice for the position. Tell me who everyone else’s 5th choice left back is then tell me why it’s a problem.

Davies remains a perfectly good back up. Him playing left back last year wasn’t a problem. It was the fact that we had so many defenders out at once that caused our defensive record to collapse

 

[cliff jones]

the first XI, if we were playing a cup final at the weekend, has a back 5, Maddison, Solanke, Son. DM, CM and RW are not nailed down.

The wider squad lacks depth on the left side of defence.

Whether you think we need to sign an AM or an RW seems to boil down to Kulu- is he good enough at RW, AM or even CF?

The majority think he’s good enough at AM.

I think that’s big stretch hence still wanting Eze, or Baena- less so a Ramsey or Conor. Eze and Conor ain’t happening for different reasons.

Now we’ve missed out on Neto, the only decent RW we’ve been linked with imho is Odingra and that’s been a very tentative link.

So for me, it’s Hermoso, Baena and fast tracking Mikey initially on the right till Son moves and we find out whether he’s better on the left or not

Solomon, Lo Celso, and Ben and Ollie, need to be moved on one way or another

 

[TEESSIDE1]

It be interesting to see how Kulusevski does out wide between now and the end of the transfer window. He really suffered there last season due to our attack lacking balance. Whereas he excelled in a 3 with Son and Kane. Now that we’ve Solanke, someone who can be a focal point and hold the ball up… I wouldn’t be surprised if Kulu becomes a force to be reckoned with again.

 

[rabbikeane]

Would love to see some shirt # updates today. Definitely needed, don't see the point of letting Højbjerg etc. keep his shirt.

2 - Pedro Porro (or Spence if he want to keep his 23)
5 - van de Ven
11 - Moore or at least Johnson
12 - Austin