World Cup Discussion Thread - Day 12 (25 June)

Ben1

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Just on this point, they do. Any of the posters on here who regularly watch rugby will tell you that there are incidents in matches and the video ref/on field ref manage to make plenty of controversial, and inconsistent calls. Even cricket isn't immune, with stuff like contentious claimed catches and the use of technology to decide if there have been edges.

It's not just football where VAR doesn't run smoothly. Whoever deals with the incidents, whether on or off the field, you are still at the mercy of an individuals opinion. There will still be inconsistency across the board. There will still be plenty of controversial moments where teams feel hard done by.
This is spot on. Cricket has similar rules for catches close to the ground, in that the umpire makes a soft call that must be proven 100% wrong. Like VAR, they regularly overturn without 100% evidence.

Similarly, there were a good few years in which India refused to use technology as they felt 'ball tracker' was wrong, so their games didn't use it. Couldn't believe they were given a choice.
 

Danners9

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some goal from Quaresma. Also a great pen from Iran! could have won it right at the end, too.

Was the ref not giving decisions because the VAR would? Portugal's penalty looked clear.

Morocco played well. Spain *a bit* lucky!
 

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I thought a called offsides couldnt be reversed on VAR, hence the encouragement to not call it and let VAR determine if a player is offsides. In any case, the decision was correct, Iago Aspas wasnt offside.
 

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From the hi-lights I saw, Ronnie should have seen red, but the consequence of that would be the world and sponsors would be denied one of the big assets of the world cup.
Ronaldo is one of the creatives, not an enforcer, so how is the game better with him banished?
We want to see more players like him.

The politics of it is that he has to get a pass and the justice is that that the team takes one for the individual - the dodgy penalty.
If VAR is coming up with that kind of overall justice, then it is working very well.
 

tiger666

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Sutton knows the score:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06c3g28

Referee bottled Ronaldo decision - Sutton

Chris Sutton says referee Enrique Caceres bottled his decision to send off Cristiano Ronaldo after an off the ball incident against Iran.
Attempting to get in front of Morteza Pouraliganji, Ronaldo appeared to catch the Iranian in the face with a flailing arm.
Sutton said: "If it was the other way around, he would have sent off an Iranian player,
"Ronaldo threw his forearm – how can you do that and stay on the pitch?!"
 

Anurag Jo

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You cant bottle it if it wasnt a red.

Only wrong decision yesterday was the Cedric penalty. Other than that the use of VAR was pretty good.
 

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I thought a called offsides couldnt be reversed on VAR, hence the encouragement to not call it and let VAR determine if a player is offsides. In any case, the decision was correct, Iago Aspas wasnt offside.
It's incredible how the media screwed this up from the very start of the World Cup.

Assistant refs were told to delay raising their flag if it was a close decision and there was a goal scoring opportunity. The assistant ref would then raise the flag a few seconds later when the ball was cleared or it entered the goal. This would allow the VAR to correct an offside decision (like we saw in Spain). The instruction to delay the flag was and continues to be misreported as refs being told not to flag. When the AR decides someone was offside they are always going to raise the flag. The difference with VAR is they may raise it a few seconds later than usual to not stop a goal scoring chance from being reviewable.
 
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