Who stays and who goes?

[tiger666]

Probably contraversial, but I'd let Dier go now. I don't think he'll ever be mobile or energetic enough for a CM2 now and I think we have better options in abundance at CB. We desperately need a strong, disciplined DM but I think Dier's illness and continuing problems have scuppered that.

Doubt it's that controversial. I'd agree, I'd let him go.

 

[spursfan1991]

sell
wanyama, sissoko, dier, aurier, rose, eriksen, lamela

open to 100m plus offers
Kane and son

Open to offers
Ndombele, harry winks

 

[spursville]

Sell as soon as possible: Eriksen, Wanyama, Rose, KWP, Vorm, Vertonghen, Dier, Sissoko, Davies, Loris

Loan out
Clarke, Skipp, Parrot, Tanganga (unless they get a place on the bench)

Keep:
Kane, Son, Ndombele, Lo Celso

Keep for the squad until we can get replacements:
Winks, Aurier, Gazza, Toby, Lamela, Moura, Dele, Sanchez,

 

[WiganSpur]

Hi guys, long time lurker from Holland, here goes my first post on our squad.

I was really impressed with the back three of Tanganga/Toby/Sánchez on saturday so I'd build on that. Keep Vertonghen for another year and we've got Davies and Foyth as well.

RB and DM have to be the main priorities in the summer. Aurier and Dier could stay as back-up but for me, both aren't good enough to be regular starters for a top team. Build the team around Ndombele and play Sessegnon on the left. Davies could maybe play that wingback role on the left as well? Rose has to go. He's done.

Behind Kane, we've got Alli, Lo Celso, Son, Lucas and Lamela. Promising striker would be nice, but buying someone like Piatek could block Parrott's development. Eriksen and Wanyama wont be here next season.

My line-up 2020/21: 3-4-3

Lloris (Gazza)
Tanganga – Alderweireld – Sánchez (Vertonghen + Foyth)
??? - ??? – Ndombele – Sessegnon (Aurier/Sissoko/Winks/Dier/Fernandes/Skipp/Davies)
Son – Kane – Lo Celso (Alli/Lamela/Lucas/Clarke/Parrott/new striker?)

Could be a really exciting line up. I don't even think the squad needs a massive investment. Get a really good RB and DM in the summer and I'm optimistic.

Don't think we have the forward players for the Antonio Conte 3-4-3. It would require us to keep Foyth and use him as the libero, and i've no idea how Dele, Lamela or Lo Celso would fit in for that matter.

 

[ultimateloner]

I struggle to see how Eriksen playing with seemingly zero passion or commitment can be anything but bad for team spirit or morale. How does a player feel watching Eriksen pulling out of yet another tackle or 50/50, can’t be motivating, he has never been a tiger but he used to put in a shift. I loved watching him pulling the strings but those are distant memories and even if we didn’t manage to sell him in Jan - I’d let him go on a free immediately. The temptation to continue to play him hoping he’ll be the old Eriksen is too great and there is little evidence he’ll suddenly get inspired. Time to move on for everyone’s sake.

Eriksen plays with 0 passion/commitment because he doesn't see a future with this club. If you were in the same dressing room as him you'd understand and know that he is under 'special circumstances'. It doesn't apply to others who want to have a future with this club. Therefore I don't think he is bad for team morale.

The fact he gets picked to play CM despite not having to try speaks volumes about the quality of the other CMs. Both Poch and Mourinho, top coaches, are doing the same. It's unlikely to be a coincidence. They are doing this because they think a 50% Eriksen is still better and more likely to do a CM job than everyone else. This should be a rock up the ass for the ther members of the team vying for that post.

Fans need to stop blaming Eriksen and start looking at DL. What did we do wrong to disincentivize a proven player to this? Eriksen's a model-pro; you see it from his past behavior. Something is wrong and it is up to us to get it right.

 

[COYS035]

Don't think we have the forward players for the Antonio Conte 3-4-3. It would require us to keep Foyth and use him as the libero, and i've no idea how Dele, Lamela or Lo Celso would fit in for that matter.

Didn't we play with Eriksen and Alli behind Kane in 2016/17? Backline of Vertonghen-Dier-Toby, Dembele and Wanyama in the middle and Rose and Walker on the flanks. What a team it was. More like a 3-4-2-1 maybe yeah instead of 3-4-3.

 

[JKendall13]

Out ASAP (Age as of September 1, 2020)
Eriksen (28) (75k/week)
Wanyama (29) (65k)
Rose (30) (60k)
Aurier (27) (70k)
KWP (23) (20k)
CCV (22) (20k)

Link to wages

Tough Decisions

In my opinion, all these players should go. But considering the glacial speed at which this club moves at, I doubt we can move all of them and get replacements in.

Vertonghen (33) (100k/week): He should be replaced with a Mourinho signing, especially if Tanganga is in the long-term plans. But CB isn't necessarily a top priority, I'd rather address other positions in the summer window so if we don't get around to CB, maybe he sticks around as depth for another season. Think we could do a lot better considering I doubt he'd accept less than his current 100k/week salary.

Lamela (28) (80k): This one hurts as I love the lad to death, but he hasn't played more than half the season since 2015/2016. Can't allocate resources and squad space to someone who is never healthy. Sell while he still has value.

Sissoko (31) (90k): Been a lovely redemption story and is a great character, but he really should be a squad player for a club of our ambitions and at 31, we'd be better off getting a fee while we can and going younger.

Dier (26) (60k): Genuinely vexed by this one, was one of our most reliable and healthy players for the first 4 seasons at the club and then has fallen into some pit of bad luck and despair the last 12 months. Is it just a matter of him getting healthy and back fit or is he totally broken? If he keeps playing like this, we can't keep him.

Foyth (22) (21.5k): I've always been underwhelmed by him and if Tanganga's emergence is real, I would sell him and use the funds to let Mourinho buy one of his preferred CBs.

Additions:

Won't turn this into a wish list, but instead just sketch out what type of players we need. First of all YOUTH, YOUTH, YOUTH. We've let this team age far too much and the likes of Eriksen, Rose, Wanyama, Vertonghen, Lamela, Sissoko, and Aurier should be replaced with players under 25 to replenish our squad. Good start this summer with Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon alongside the full-time elevation of Skipp, Tanganga, and Parrott to the first team even though that has mostly been as reserves so far. With Kane, Lloris, Son, Alderweireld, Moura, Davies, Sanchez, and Winks we still have strong group of players and leaders who went through the wars under Pochettino and have been to a UCL final and finished top 4 four seasons in a row, among other personal and international acheivements.

To buy (in order of priority):

1. CDM (spend as much as necessary to bring a #6 who can start immediately, similar in age/cost profile to Ndombele)
2. Two Right backs (one first team starter, one young deputy)
3. Striker/wide forward (Kane can no longer be relied on to play a whole season, make a big signing who can deputize for Kane and play with him)
4. CB (let Mourinho buy a CB to round out a solid two deep with Sanchez, Alderweireld, and Tanganga)
5. Mobile CM (Someone to deputize Ndombele and provide athletic depth in the b2b role, maybe this is Gedson?)
6. Young rotation winger (back-up for Son/Moura, this might be Eze?)

 

[spurs9]

I think Our Squad should be:

GK - Lloris, Gazza & either Whiteman or Austin

DR - Semedo & KWP (as he is Club Trained HG)
DL - New LB, Davies (until Sess learns LB more and can also cover CB) & Sessegnon (can cover also cover LW)
DC - Toby, Sanchez, New CB & Tanganga

CM (holding mid) - Florentino Luis & Winks & Skipp to cover
CM (Box to Box) - NDombele & G.Fernandes & Skipp to cover

AM - Son & Lucas
AM - Lo Celso & Dele
AM - B.Fernandes & Lamela

SC - Kane, New SC & Parrott

Assuming all new signings are non HG players, For next seasons CL (or more likely EL) registration it would give us:
17 Non HG players
4 Club trained HG players
2 HG Players
3 U21 (no need to register) players


Sell -
Vorm, Aurier, Rose (though he has said he wont go), Verts, Wanyama, Dier, Sissoko & Eriksen

Loan -
Foyth & either Whiteman or Austin

 

[TropicalYid]

This window:
Eriksen, wanyama

Summer window:

Rose, aurier, KWP

Think we should keep Jan, for cup games and chuck him when we have comfortable leads for resting other players.
Dier need to be considered. Lamela too, even though i really liked his performance against liverpool.
Id also keep Winks. I know, he doesnt seem to have progressed the last year. But he is english and you never know, he might come good.

 

[Marauder]

Centre forwards need to go (wait we don't have any) and all defenders can go (we don't have any good ones anyway) but I tell you what, we are really short of midfielders, lets get a few more of them in? ?

 

[VegasII]

Sess and the return of Davies means we can drop Rose completely.

Tanganga has given us new CB/RB

Skipp should take Dier’s place as Dier is knackered. Gedson will take Sissoko’s place.

Vertonghen can be a utility defender where/when we need him until the end of the season.

The team is shaping up little by little even if it’s still a bit lousy.

 

[Martinhotspur]

I think Our Squad should be:

GK - Lloris, Gazza & either Whiteman or Austin

DR - Semedo & KWP (as he is Club Trained HG)
DL - New LB, Davies (until Sess learns LB more and can also cover CB) & Sessegnon (can cover also cover LW)
DC - Toby, Sanchez, New CB & Tanganga

CM (holding mid) - Florentino Luis & Winks & Skipp to cover
CM (Box to Box) - NDombele & G.Fernandes & Skipp to cover

AM - Son & Lucas
AM - Lo Celso & Dele
AM - B.Fernandes & Lamela

SC - Kane, New SC & Parrott

Assuming all new signings are non HG players, For next seasons CL (or more likely EL) registration it would give us:
17 Non HG players
4 Club trained HG players
2 HG Players
3 U21 (no need to register) players


Sell -
Vorm, Aurier, Rose (though he has said he wont go), Verts, Wanyama, Dier, Sissoko & Eriksen

Loan -
Foyth & either Whiteman or Austin

How can we sell Vorm he was out of contract and nobody bothered with him

 

[Graysonti]

Dier

Please sell Dier.

So immobile it’s embarrassing and I’m not even on the football yet.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

The model to follow is that of both Liverpool and Atletico Madrid. The key with both of those clubs' transfer dealings is they sell good to great players whose value in the market exceeds their value to the club (Coutinho, Griezmann, Hernandez, Rodri). We have a number of players who would fetch large transfer fees, but who likely aren't going to be key cogs in any prospective title challenging side. Chiefly among them, Winks and Dier. Dele's value in the transfer market (somewhere north of 100 million pounds) probably merits serious consideration of a sale. I'd also consider selling Moura, too, if someone would offer a 50 million pound fee. Conversely, someone like Lamela probably doesn't get a massive fee in the market with his age and injury history, so instead of selling him for 20 million pounds, he's probably more valuable to keep, as he has a unique skill set that isn't common in the current squad.

I guess it boils down to the following: would you rather have 225 million pounds to spend in the transfer market or Winks, Dier, Dele and Moura in the squad? Let's say you sold those players, as well letting KWP, Wanyama, Rose, Eriksen, Vertonghen go. You'd probably be left with something like the below and a ton of money (250 million) and enticing wage packets (25 million per year) to bring in 5-6 quality signings.

Lloris

Aurier Sanchez Alderweireld Sessegnon

Ndombele Sissoko

Lo Celso

Lamela Kane Son​

In an ideal world yes but unfortunately this isn’t football manager so we can’t just ship out 10 players willy nilly.

lets see how the club do this window and in summer with ins and outs to see How things pan out.

One thing is for sure I trust Jose’s plan to mould a squad more than pochs I just think Jose has the experience to know what a good mix of players is and he will clearly be able to identify areas for us to improve the squad, then it’s over to baldy.

I think as has been said before ones who ideally need to go are:
Aurier?
Rose
Jan???
Dier?
Wanyama
Eriksen
Lamela (just purely because of his injuries)

then bring in:
RB
CB
DM?
CM/AM?
ST x1-2

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

How can we sell Vorm he was out of contract and nobody bothered with him

If anyone can do that levy can ?

 

[spurs9]

How can we sell Vorm he was out of contract and nobody bothered with him

West Ham........

 

[TOLBINY]

Selling Sissoko now is not going to happen because of his injury. Come the summer I think it is a question of what we can get for him versus what use he might be as a squad player. He still looks strong and athletic enough and with less games time due to rotation should last a few more years yet.

With Lo Celso and Fernandes we have our quota of registered loan players currently, so unless we get rid of Lo Celso there will be no further loans in January, despite what TalkShi%e and Sky would have us believe.

 

[yido_number1]

Selling Sissoko now is not going to happen because of his injury. Come the summer I think it is a question of what we can get for him versus what use he might be as a squad player. He still looks strong and athletic enough and with less games time due to rotation should last a few more years yet.

With Lo Celso and Fernandes we have our quota of registered loan players currently, so unless we get rid of Lo Celso there will be no further loans in January, despite what TalkShi%e and Sky would have us believe.

Wouldn't be surprised if we sign Lo Celso permanently before the window closes. Imagine Levy is doing a Levy right now and trying to get the fee down as much as he can due to the injury and lack of game time so far. Imagine any striker we sign will also be a loan.

 

[danielneeds]

Selling Sissoko now is not going to happen because of his injury. Come the summer I think it is a question of what we can get for him versus what use he might be as a squad player. He still looks strong and athletic enough and with less games time due to rotation should last a few more years yet.

With Lo Celso and Fernandes we have our quota of registered loan players currently, so unless we get rid of Lo Celso there will be no further loans in January, despite what TalkShi%e and Sky would have us believe.

Selling Sissoko now is not going to happen because of his injury. Come the summer I think it is a question of what we can get for him versus what use he might be as a squad player. He still looks strong and athletic enough and with less games time due to rotation should last a few more years yet.

With Lo Celso and Fernandes we have our quota of registered loan players currently, so unless we get rid of Lo Celso there will be no further loans in January, despite what TalkShi%e and Sky would have us believe.

Two loans is only the limit from domestic clubs. Four is the limit from abroad.

 

[HildoSpur]

Gotta say I'm a bit saddened by the number of people in this thread looking to sell Sissoko. He has proven himself to at least be a valuable squad player and we need guys like him.