Who stays and who goes?

[ultimateloner]

My ethos: sell anyone for the right price and if we can get an upgrade.

This would mean pretty much the entire squad bar the front-line; but there are obvious candidates for upgrading: Rose, RB, CMs; I think there is enough out there to secure replacements relatively easily.

I will challenge conventional wisdom here and say of the 'popular players to let go' Eriksen is the one we should try to retain (yes, despite the lack of commitment this season). Now hear me out (try to ignore the ill-will harboured from this season and 2H last season..)

1) His ability is not questionable. Unlike Rose/Vert etc; he isn't a player in decline. He is proven in PL.
2) Playmakers don't transition well to PL from different leagues; there are many high profile failures (Jorgino included, until this season. Veron for example; probably the most talented high profile failure from the last 10 seasons). Reason is obvious: you need the right physical qualities and adoptability for this league and it's not easy to be strong, fast and technical same time. The ones who have go on to bigger things (e.g. Modric).
3) He will cost a bucket load to replace.
4) He is unlikely to be a good CM (which we are asking him to be because the rest of what we got can't do the job); is this his fault or ours?

I think you get my point if you've read it this far. He is difficult to replace and has proven he could do a job.

There are other considerations of course: influence on other players etc; but i don't think there are reports that he has been a toxic influence. He is certainly more PC and considered than Rose.

This is why I think if we get the other pieces in, we can see a new and better Eriksen (should we convince him to stay).

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I don’t know if I mentioned it, but personally I’d send Lo Celso back to Spain.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

keep:

Lloris (Gazza)

Buy new RB - Aarons? (Aurier)
Toby (new CB)
Sanchez (Tanganga)
Davies (new LB or Sess)

Buy new DM (Dier)
Ndombele (New CM -G.Fernandes/Sissoko/Winks)

new AM (GLC/Lucas/Clarke)
Dele (Lamela)
Son (Sess)

Kane (new back-up ST -Piatek?)

Sell or loan:
Kwp
Foyth
Rose
Dier??
Eriksen

5 in, 5 out.

simples

 

[VegasII]

To leave by the end of the summer

Rose
Eriksen
Wanyama
Vorm
Foyth
KWP
Vertonghen (purely because he’s finished in the prem)

Everyone else is fine as they’re either starters or useful squad players.

That said, bids for Dier, Winks, Sissoko shouldn’t be ignored.

 

[WiganSpur]

Are you sure about building the team around Dele? I'm not one of those who criticises him incessantly - he's a good player, but I just don't see where he fits into the team over the longer term. Jose is using him as a No. 10, but for me he has serious limitations in this position. I'd prefer someone a bit more technical, able to transition play quickly and provide incisive passes to the striker. Perhaps Lo Celso can do that or someone like him. Happy to be proved wrong but I have doubts about Dele and whether we can build the team around him.

I think he needs the right blend of players around him. The current set up doesn't work for him, it never does for those in the number 10 position when the players behind are incapable of doing the dirty work. Ndombele can easily act as a playmaker but it needs somebody industrious next to him. I'd set up primarily with wingers either side and swap one of those for Lo Celso against bus parking teams.

If we have an effective double pivot behind Dele we can use him as more of a second striker imo.

I see where you are coming from, but I still feel like he needs a lot more time with the team built around him a bit before we can make a firm judgement on whether he's good enough.

I think we should operate a 4-2-3-1 and an alternative 4-3-3 when Alli doesn't play or we don't deem him tactically appropriate for a game. We should aim for a team like this:

Lloris?
RB -- Sanchez -- CB -- Davies
Ndombele -- CM
Lucas/GLC -- Dele -- Son
Kane​

 

[ohh Teddy Teddy]

Only players i'd 100% want to stay is Kane, Son and N'Dombele. Would like to see some of the better youth used more such as Skipp, Parrott, Tanganga etc to fill those squad places and see if they can grab those oppurtunities.

I really think we need to go back to basics a little (we did similar under Poch in 2015) and build a strong starting 11 and then add some quality in reserve.

I really wouldn't be that fussed if any of the others was to leave, even though it pains me to say it about Dele but I just think he is regressing too much now.

 

[VegasII]

I thought when Jose arrived that our team/squad in the future will be a mix of our best current players, some smart acquisitions and then a handful of talented young players.

We have the current players (when they’re not injured) and the handful of young players (Sess, Tang, Skipp, Parrot) so we just need the smart acquisitions.

 

[TH1239]

The model to follow is that of both Liverpool and Atletico Madrid. The key with both of those clubs' transfer dealings is they sell good to great players whose value in the market exceeds their value to the club (Coutinho, Griezmann, Hernandez, Rodri). We have a number of players who would fetch large transfer fees, but who likely aren't going to be key cogs in any prospective title challenging side. Chiefly among them, Winks and Dier. Dele's value in the transfer market (somewhere north of 100 million pounds) probably merits serious consideration of a sale. I'd also consider selling Moura, too, if someone would offer a 50 million pound fee. Conversely, someone like Lamela probably doesn't get a massive fee in the market with his age and injury history, so instead of selling him for 20 million pounds, he's probably more valuable to keep, as he has a unique skill set that isn't common in the current squad.

I guess it boils down to the following: would you rather have 225 million pounds to spend in the transfer market or Winks, Dier, Dele and Moura in the squad? Let's say you sold those players, as well letting KWP, Wanyama, Rose, Eriksen, Vertonghen go. You'd probably be left with something like the below and a ton of money (250 million) and enticing wage packets (25 million per year) to bring in 5-6 quality signings.

Lloris

Aurier Sanchez Alderweireld Sessegnon

Ndombele Sissoko

Lo Celso

Lamela Kane Son​

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Let go 100%
Eriksen, Wanyama, Rose, Vertonghen, Aurier, KWP, Vorm, Foyth

Open to offers on
Lloris, Dier, Moura, Dele, Winks, Lamela

Loan out
Clarke, Skipp, Parrot

Build the first 11 around
Kane, Son, Ndombele

Keep for the squad
Gazza, Tanganga, Sanchez, Alder, Davies, Sissoko

I think really anyone in this team has a price. Even Son and Kane for stupid amounts. But it’s not Football Manager unfortunately.

 

[Caco]

A lot of people calling for Lamela to be moved on, with his injury record I get that, but we brought him in to replace Bale and we have only seen glimpses of his ability. Bale was being dumped until his emergence in a 4-3 loss to Inter Milan. I still believe Lamela has a lot to offer and I still believe he will prove to be that key player for us.

I'm not sold on the Piateck lad, I think we need another player like Kane and he's not it. Would like to see Alli played in a more advanced role also as I reckon that would suit him so much better, he didn't become a bad player or just get found out, he was never that standard MF player, so just push him up as a more advanced player.

For all the talk of bringing in big names, we'd actually be better off with someone like Ashley Barnes or Glenn Murray in the short term to replace Kane as they will put in a shift and win balls for the others to feed off.

After that, just need more pace, would break the bank for Adama Traoure before someone else does.

 

[VegasII]

The fans would trebuchet Levy into the London arena if we signed Glenn Murray.

 

[Flashspur]

Why? He could play the Lorente role. I would prefer Barnes or Wood myself.

 

[DannyNZ]

My ethos: sell anyone for the right price and if we can get an upgrade.

This would mean pretty much the entire squad bar the front-line; but there are obvious candidates for upgrading: Rose, RB, CMs; I think there is enough out there to secure replacements relatively easily.

I will challenge conventional wisdom here and say of the 'popular players to let go' Eriksen is the one we should try to retain (yes, despite the lack of commitment this season). Now hear me out (try to ignore the ill-will harboured from this season and 2H last season..)

1) His ability is not questionable. Unlike Rose/Vert etc; he isn't a player in decline. He is proven in PL.
2) Playmakers don't transition well to PL from different leagues; there are many high profile failures (Jorgino included, until this season. Veron for example; probably the most talented high profile failure from the last 10 seasons). Reason is obvious: you need the right physical qualities and adoptability for this league and it's not easy to be strong, fast and technical same time. The ones who have go on to bigger things (e.g. Modric).
3) He will cost a bucket load to replace.
4) He is unlikely to be a good CM (which we are asking him to be because the rest of what we got can't do the job); is this his fault or ours?

I think you get my point if you've read it this far. He is difficult to replace and has proven he could do a job.

There are other considerations of course: influence on other players etc; but i don't think there are reports that he has been a toxic influence. He is certainly more PC and considered than Rose.

This is why I think if we get the other pieces in, we can see a new and better Eriksen (should we convince him to stay).

I struggle to see how Eriksen playing with seemingly zero passion or commitment can be anything but bad for team spirit or morale. How does a player feel watching Eriksen pulling out of yet another tackle or 50/50, can’t be motivating, he has never been a tiger but he used to put in a shift. I loved watching him pulling the strings but those are distant memories and even if we didn’t manage to sell him in Jan - I’d let him go on a free immediately. The temptation to continue to play him hoping he’ll be the old Eriksen is too great and there is little evidence he’ll suddenly get inspired. Time to move on for everyone’s sake.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

I struggle to see how Eriksen playing with seemingly zero passion or commitment can be anything but bad for team spirit or morale. How does a player feel watching Eriksen pulling out of yet another tackle or 50/50, can’t be motivating, he has never been a tiger but he used to put in a shift. I loved watching him pulling the strings but those are distant memories and even if we didn’t manage to sell him in Jan - I’d let him go on a free immediately. The temptation to continue to play him hoping he’ll be the old Eriksen is too great and there is little evidence he’ll suddenly get inspired. Time to move on for everyone’s sake.

Do you see Messi tackle, Neymar, Michael Laudrup? Some players just don't do it. It's all on Jose playing him in a double pivot CM2.

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

I'll get my coat.

I know when I'm not wanted.

 

[Syn_13]

Son and Kane are indispensable for the club. Ndombele, and Lo Celso need more time. Have showed promise but need proper runs, and I think can become key players over time. I wouldn't sell Sessegnon yet as he has time to develop.

Sanchez has potential and Toby isn't done yet I don't think. Vertonghen sadly looks like he's running through treacle and needs to move on. Foyth is not for me, I just don't see a great defender in him.

I wouldn't have a problem selling Alli. I find him very frustrating and inconsistent, despite his flashes of brilliance. Eriksen needs to go as he's not commited. Wanyama is crocked and Dier just doesn't seem to have it in him anymore.

I'd keep Moura, Lamela, Winks, Sissoko and Davies purely as squad players and backup options.

Rose is in the same boat as Dier and Vertonghen, they just seem to struggle on the pitch now. Aurier can go, but I'd keep him as a backup as he hasn't done too bad recently. He's been better but is still a liability.

I would rather give time to the younger prospects like Tanganga, Skipp and Parrott than continue with some of the players I've listed above.

 

[Clive Wilson]

Let go 100%
Eriksen, Wanyama, Rose, KWP, Vorm

Open to offers on
Vertonghen, Aurier, Dier, Winks

Loan out
Clarke, Skipp, Parrot

Build the first 11 around
Kane, Son, Ndombele, Sanchez

Keep for the squad
Gazza, Tanganga, Alder, Davies, Sissoko, Lamela, Moura, Dele

 

[Japhet]

Probably contraversial, but I'd let Dier go now. I don't think he'll ever be mobile or energetic enough for a CM2 now and I think we have better options in abundance at CB. We desperately need a strong, disciplined DM but I think Dier's illness and continuing problems have scuppered that.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Definite go:

Eriksen, Vertonghen, Sissoko, Dier, Wanyama, Rose, CCV, KWP, Vorm

Possible go/listen to offers:

Foyth, Aurier, Lamela, Lloris

Loans:

Clarke, Parrott, Austin/Whiteman

Keep:

Gazzaniga, Toby, Tanganga, Skipp, Winks, Lucas, Lo Celso, Sessegnon

Build the team around:

Sanchez, Ndombele, Dele, Son, Kane

probably swap Dele for Lo Celso in that list but otherwise fully agree.

 

[COYS035]

Hi guys, long time lurker from Holland, here goes my first post on our squad.

I was really impressed with the back three of Tanganga/Toby/Sánchez on saturday so I'd build on that. Keep Vertonghen for another year and we've got Davies and Foyth as well.

RB and DM have to be the main priorities in the summer. Aurier and Dier could stay as back-up but for me, both aren't good enough to be regular starters for a top team. Build the team around Ndombele and play Sessegnon on the left. Davies could maybe play that wingback role on the left as well? Rose has to go. He's done.

Behind Kane, we've got Alli, Lo Celso, Son, Lucas and Lamela. Promising striker would be nice, but buying someone like Piatek could block Parrott's development. Eriksen and Wanyama wont be here next season.

My line-up 2020/21: 3-4-3

Lloris (Gazza)
Tanganga – Alderweireld – Sánchez (Vertonghen + Foyth)
??? - ??? – Ndombele – Sessegnon (Aurier/Sissoko/Winks/Dier/Fernandes/Skipp/Davies)
Son – Kane – Lo Celso (Alli/Lamela/Lucas/Clarke/Parrott/new striker?)

Could be a really exciting line up. I don't even think the squad needs a massive investment. Get a really good RB and DM in the summer and I'm optimistic.