Who stays and who goes?

[$hoguN]

Bit harsh! He’s not a world class keeper and clearly not as good as Lloris but he’s not let us down since he’s been in the team.

Guess we all closed our eyes when he flying kicked the player at chelsea or when ever the ball passes him on low shots no matter the angle

 

[H-SF]

Definite go:

Eriksen, Vertonghen, Sissoko, Dier, Wanyama, Rose, CCV, KWP, Vorm

Possible go/listen to offers:

Foyth, Aurier, Lamela, Lloris

Loans:

Clarke, Parrott, Austin/Whiteman

Keep:

Gazzaniga, Toby, Tanganga, Skipp, Winks, Lucas, Lo Celso, Sessegnon

Build the team around:

Sanchez, Ndombele, Dele, Son, Kane

Why would you sell Sissoko out of interest? Can see him going summer 21 but personally believe he is an extremely useful player to have in the squad. He’s also best mates with Ndombele so I’d like him to stick around until Tanguy is fully settled.

 

[WiganSpur]

Why would you sell Sissoko out of interest? Can see him going summer 21 but personally believe he is an extremely useful player to have in the squad. He’s also best mates with Ndombele so I’d like him to stick around until Tanguy is fully settled.

I did a long post in one of the stats thread. He just stunts our whole build up and possession play and I feel he's defensively overrated too because of his size. So if you're not gonna play him CM his only other position is RM and realistically are we going to use him there when we can cash in before he's deep into his 30s? It seems like we're also signing Gedson now too who plays a very similar position.

 

[dontcallme]

Why would you sell Sissoko out of interest? Can see him going summer 21 but personally believe he is an extremely useful player to have in the squad. He’s also best mates with Ndombele so I’d like him to stick around until Tanguy is fully settled.

I agree. I get that Sissoko isn't the best player but his work rate and attitude are real assets and he can be a very useful sub.

 

[dontcallme]

I did a long post in one of the stats thread. He just stunts our whole build up and possession play and I feel he's defensively overrated too because of his size. So if you're not gonna play him CM his only other position is RM and realistically are we going to use him there when we can cash in before he's deep into his 30s? It seems like we're also signing Gedson now too who plays a very similar position.

As a starter I agree but as a squad player he certainly has his uses.

 

[H-SF]

I did a long post in one of the stats thread. He just stunts our whole build up and possession play and I feel he's defensively overrated too because of his size. So if you're not gonna play him CM his only other position is RM and realistically are we going to use him there when we can cash in before he's deep into his 30s? It seems like we're also signing Gedson now too who plays a very similar position.

I agree with this, he certainly has limitations and probably shouldn’t be starting in our best 11. However, he has terrific stamina, is very important in both defensive and offensive transitions because of his athleticism and his tactical/positional versatility is particularly useful for a manager like Mourinho who likes to mix it up a bit in big games. I also feel like he’s a big part of the dressing room and has a terrific attitude, so he’s worth keeping imo

 

[WiganSpur]

I agree with this, he certainly has limitations and probably shouldn’t be starting in our best 11. However, he has terrific stamina, is very important in both defensive and offensive transitions because of his athleticism and his tactical/positional versatility is particularly useful for a manager like Mourinho who likes to mix it up a bit in big games. I also feel like he’s a big part of the dressing room and has a terrific attitude, so he’s worth keeping imo

He should not play CM for me, at RM yeah a possibility but then again he can't shoot for shite. Even so, as i've said Gedson will probably offer all that you mention as a squad player. We can't keep players based on their attitude and dressing room influence alone. Why not bring Ledley King back out of retirement in that case? He has to be able to offer something on the pitch. It's the same with Dier if he's not going to be used as a centre back.

 

[Japhet]

I'd keep Aurier. He's a favorite whipping boy for so many but I think he's improved a whole lot recently. People will spot one mistake per game and go overboard on slating him for it. He doesn't have 'penalty' written all over him like before and he's made some excellent offensive contributions this season. I think he suffers when Mourinho goes light in midfield though and also wants him to push up the pitch. That usually resulted in Sissoko having to cover across because Sissoko's offensive contribution is so hit and miss that he's OK doing the covering job. People use this as a stick to beat Aurier with but I put a lot of the responsibility on Mourinho. Shore up the midfield and Aurier looks so much better.

 

[mpickard2087]

This is what I put in the other thread a couple of days ago:

Personally I think any starting point, and what has been largely forgotten by fans/coaches/board alike, is to remember what made us 'successful' and led to us making big steps forward under Poch and doing better than clubs with more money and bigger names. It wasn't really an increase in quality, it was that for the first time in my 25 years as a fan we had a Spurs team that was willing to roll its sleeves up, show some resilience, and put a proper shift in. We had eleven hungry, eager, players out on that pitch who would sell a kidney or their grandmother to be in the team and run through brick walls for the cause. Contrast that to now, I'd give you maybe three, and no more than a handful, of our lot who play like that. And none of the stars. Until we address that, which might mean making some very tough decisions, and get back some standards and stop accepting mediocrity then we aren't doing anything.

Now yesterday was a better effort, but in different circumstances. Backs against the wall tactics and up against a decent team in a big game and not hard to find some extra fight and motivation to cling on. Remains to be seen how we go in the cup midweek, or in 'normal' games against lesser PL teams.

I stand by the last bit, there is about a handful of players in the whole squad I look at and trust are going to play like they give a shit, are focused, and give 100% most weeks. That's terrible and is the first thing that needs addressing, whoever it means culling.

 

[H-SF]

He should not play CM for me, at RM yeah a possibility but then again he can't shoot for shite. Even so, as i've said Gedson will probably offer all that you mention as a squad player. We can't keep players based on their attitude and dressing room influence alone. Why not bring Ledley King back out of retirement in that case? He has to be able to offer something on the pitch. It's the same with Dier if he's not going to be used as a centre back.

Fair enough. I still think he’s worth keeping for his versatility. Wouldn’t be opposed to see him going summer 21 though

 

[carpediem991]

My take:

GK: ? , Gazza, Austin

Lloris can prove me wrong the next 6-18 months but I feel his time is up soon.

RB: ? , ?

Short Term Serge as one of the options is okay but he needs competition from a more established player than kwp.

CB: Toby, Davinson, Foyth, Tanganga, ?

Maybe loan Foyth a year before judgement and add a more experienced player to the options. Maybe keep Jan a year more.

LB: Davies, ?

I think Sess is more a LW so another LB prospect could be fine. Maybe its Cirkin.

CM: Ndombele, ? , Winks, Skipp

Keep Winks as a squad player. English, HG, one of our own. But not good enough to start many games. We need serious upgrade in CdM here. Long term I think its best for Dier to move on. Victor of course too.

CAM: Dele, Lo Celso, ?

Obviously Eriksen needs to go and we need another creative passer in the ranks. Could be one that can play a bit deeper as well. Because i think Dele is not good enough to change im CM

RW: Lamela, Lucas, Sissoko

All three not 100% certain of staying, but everyone adds something to the team. Loan clarke

LW: Son, Sessegnon

ST: Kane, Parrott, ?

If Troy is not ready to step up yet we need an alternative goal scorer to Kane

 

[wrd]

Let go 100%

Eriksen, Wanyama, Rose, Vertonghen, Aurier, KWP, Vorm

Open to offers on

Lloris (difficult one, if we think we can get good money and a replacement otherwise he's part of the spine), Dier, Sissoko (with Gedson coming in)

Loan out for experience

Foyth, Clarke and Possibly Skipp depending on midfield options who could be an ideal backup DM depending how things go.

Build the first 11 around

Kane, Son, Ndombele and possibly Lo Celso and Sessegnon who I'd like to see make up the first but may need to be squad players for now.

Keep for the squad

Gazza, Tanganga, Sanchez, Alder, Davies, Winks, Dele, Lamela, Moura, Parrott

Unfortunately in terms of a spine I see a new CB needed to be that and I'm not sure which CB I'd choose to partner him, probably Sanchez atm. As you can probably tell from my keep from the squad I'm heavily focused on the defensive back 6 so to speak for now and then attacking changes can come later.

I'd be looking to build team like this:

Keeper
RB Sanchez? CB Sess
DM
Lo Celso Ndombele
Son Kane Dele(for now)

 

[dbspurs]

Out

Gazzaniga, Rose, Aurier, KWP, Jan, Foyth, Winks, Wanyama, Eriksen

Squad

GK Lloris, New backup
RB 2 new
LB Davies, Sess
CB Toby, Taganga, Sanchez, new CB
CM N'Dombele, Skipp, Dier, 1 new
AM Son, Lucas, Dele??, Lo Celso, Lamela, 1 new
ST Kane, Parrott, new backup
Sissoko??????


GK

I think if we are going to play more direct then this cuts out a lot of the shit Lloris gets himself into. He is an excellent shot stopper.

Gazzaniga is not good enough

RB

Aurier is an accident waiting to happen in most games. KWP isn't good enough.

LB

I like Davies as he can also operate as a CB and in Jose's system he can tuck in when playing at LB.

As seen yesterday, Taganga could also do this at a push though would need to see him in the role a bit more to make a better judgement.

I have never warmed to Rose even when he was playing consistently well. Now his form has dropped off a cliff and he likes to mouth off too much. Will be happy to see him go

CB

Jan is past it and Foyth makes too many mistakes. Maybe a loan could iron this out but I wouldn't be confident. Either way we need a new CB.

CM

We need a proper DM. Unlike many on here I still think Dier could do it and work alongside N'Dombele but if the opportunity arises for a top DM then we should take it.

Winks hasn't progressed and I think we should sell while we can get a good price. Wanyama is a shadow of what he used to be. I have hopes for Skipp who likes to get stuck in and can get the ball forward

AM

I have to admit to being torn with this because I feel we currently have attacking players who are good enough. However, I have my doubts over Dele because it sometimes feels like having 10 players when he isn't performing. He faffs on the ball too much and loses possession too much but when he is on song he is a match winner.

We could do with another AM to replace Eriksen and maybe one more if we can't rely on Dele (Inconsistent) and Lamela (injuries).

ST

We need a good back up for Kane if Parrott is deemed not ready yet. If the backup can also play as a wide forward then all the better.

Sissoko is in a category all on his own. He can cover many positions and he always gives it everything but he is technically and tactically limited. A versatile bench option at best.

 

[BPR_U16]

I'd keep Aurier. He's a favorite whipping boy for so many but I think he's improved a whole lot recently. People will spot one mistake per game and go overboard on slating him for it. He doesn't have 'penalty' written all over him like before and he's made some excellent offensive contributions this season. I think he suffers when Mourinho goes light in midfield though and also wants him to push up the pitch. That usually resulted in Sissoko having to cover across because Sissoko's offensive contribution is so hit and miss that he's OK doing the covering job. People use this as a stick to beat Aurier with but I put a lot of the responsibility on Mourinho. Shore up the midfield and Aurier looks so much better.

You are obviously watching a different player to me.
Yet again yesterday he was everywhere apart from where he was meant to be.
Never looks for ball from keeper. Never working back. Rarely getting decent crosses in.
His lack of positional sense and work for the team continually creates space for opposition to work in and pulls our own team out of shape.
That said - still has to stay in squad at present but just wish KWP had been given same opportunities.

Mind you he is still less of a liability than Rose who hopefully has played his last game.


Remembering we need a squad not just a team and cant change all at once -

Can go now - CE, JV, CCV, DR
Need to be replaced - SA,
Loan - JF, TP + OS (if not going to play in any team) JC,
Squad only - MS, ED, PG, HW if OS loan, LM, BD EL
Keep - TA, JT, DS, GLC, NT, HMS, DA, HL RS, HK

Require RB × 2, DM, LB, Striker now and upgrades on others

 

[spids]

The squad make up really depends if we intend to play 3-5-2 or 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. I'd like us to decide an identity and fill the side with top class players who suit it.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Out by end of summer window:

Vorm
Walker-Peters
Rose
Foyth
Vertonghen
Wanyama
Eriksen

leaving us with

Gk Lloris Gazzaniga
RB Aurier
CB Sanchez Tanganga Alderweireld
LB Davies Sessegnon
CM Dier Skipp Ndombele Winks
AM Lucas Sissoko Dele Lo Celso Son Lamela
FW Kane Parrott

leaving 5 slots in theory to sign across these two windows, which I’d like to see allocated to a midfielder and a right back in terms of top class first choice, and solid back up at centre back, goalie and striker(hg with prem exp if possible).

 

[Colonel Dax]

Definite go:

Eriksen, Vertonghen, Sissoko, Dier, Wanyama, Rose, CCV, KWP, Vorm

Possible go/listen to offers:

Foyth, Aurier, Lamela, Lloris

Loans:

Clarke, Parrott, Austin/Whiteman

Keep:

Gazzaniga, Toby, Tanganga, Skipp, Winks, Lucas, Lo Celso, Sessegnon

Build the team around:

Sanchez, Ndombele, Dele, Son, Kane

Are you sure about building the team around Dele? I'm not one of those who criticises him incessantly - he's a good player, but I just don't see where he fits into the team over the longer term. Jose is using him as a No. 10, but for me he has serious limitations in this position. I'd prefer someone a bit more technical, able to transition play quickly and provide incisive passes to the striker. Perhaps Lo Celso can do that or someone like him. Happy to be proved wrong but I have doubts about Dele and whether we can build the team around him.

 

[jezz]

New keeper
Foyth Tanga Sanchez Sess
Skipp
Celso Ndombele
Lamela Kane Son

Bench
Parrot Dele Moura Toby Davies
New RB DM AM10
Swap Parrot with Kane and that's the team I would start right now.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

Some utter clown comments on this thread.
Sell in Jan: Eriksen, Rose, Wanyama, KWP (maybe loan), Foyth (poss loan), Clarke (loan)

 

[NEVILLEB]

We‘ve got a quality front line but everyone else should be upgraded.