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Which is fairer? Coronavirus implications

mil1lion

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Sounds like they intend to conclude each season from June. At least we'll stand a better chance of saving our season with everyone back from injury. 4th may still be out of reach but 5th is still very much on and should be enough for CL qualification.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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Its not unreasonable to think that out of 256m pro footballers in the world, 4% could die at worst case numbers. That’s 1m dead. Even at 2% that’s 500,000. That’s bound to have an effect on teams, and could mean we lose players, either temporarily or permanently.

Do you go by Ken M on other forums?
 

wirE

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Really interesting article.
Thanks for posting.

My question however is this - to what degree do you self-isolate?
Should you not have personal contact with ANY of the outside world for a set period of time? ie no going out to get supplies or dropping things off to loved ones (elderly family/friends).
Would this effectively reset the n+20 period and thus increase potential active cases?

Also, if the action in this article is followed (and by all accounts, it's what the UK is trying to do...albeit more slowly than other countries), then there is absolutely no chance of the PL starting up again.
I believe as of April 4th the league will be declared null and void - it's the only logical and fairest resolution.
In fact all legal implications go out of the window too as surely there is actually no way of imposing any blame.

Self isolating means that you're intended to stay home. Get help from friends and neighbors to do you grocery shopping. If you must leave your home, stay at a safe distance from other people (5ft minimum). Avoid public places and don't take public transportation.

And if you're feeling sick - STAY THE FUCK HOME
 

penfold_99

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It all depend when football restarts, if we are starting again in 6 months than just play all the season's games over 2 years and we have a nice window in the lead up to the euros.

If it's in 3 month then just merge this season with next season we play double the amount of games and promote/relegate and crown winners after that.
 

SpunkyBackpack

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Start the next season as normal but add one extra game to each season for the next ten years, that extra game is one remaining from this season. That way we dont disrupt the schedule much and in 2030 we will be all squared up with the minimum of fuss. We spread this season across multiple seasons like an easy football fixture repayment scheme.

I dont know why nobody else came up with this. Sometimes i think im the only one with a functioning brain here.
 

teok

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Philippe Laurens was saying that counter intuitively top level pro sports people are more at risk of catching illnesses because their bodies are near the "red zone" constantly. Might explain some of dier's issues also.
 

yankspurs

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It all depend when football restarts, if we are starting again in 6 months than just play all the season's games over 2 years and we have a nice window in the lead up to the euros.

If it's in 3 month then just merge this season with next season we play double the amount of games and promote/relegate and crown winners after that.
If the season can start again by mid May then they may be able to play it out. If it cannot, they should just declare the season null and void. No winner, no relegation, no promotion and no top 4. Everything reverts back to the beginning of this season(minus player trading and staffing changes). Liverpool and Leeds will just have to get over it.
 

spursfan77

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If we are self isolated and stuck in our homes then that is one hell of a long time to have fun winding up Liverpool fans that the season will be canned.
 

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Spurslove

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The men in suits seem so determined to finish the season, with the lack of revenue presumably at the heart of their motivations, but in all honesty, I get the impression largely, that most football fans wouldn't give much of a shit if the season was declared 'null and void' purely because worrying about clubs finances is not their main priority, obviously. Of course, we're all missing the daily and hourly cut and thrust of football but caring for ourselves, and the health of our families and friends first and foremost blows all that out of the water.

I'm sure football has enough money at the highest levels, to be able tto look after itself on a wider scale.

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Trotter

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The men in suits seem so determined to finish the season, with the lack of revenue presumably at the heart of their motivations, but in all honesty, I get the impression largely, that most football fans wouldn't give much of a shit if the season was declared 'null and void' purely because worrying about clubs finances is not their main priority, obviously. Of course, we're all missing the daily and hourly cut and thrust of football but caring for ourselves, and the health of our families and friends first and foremost blows all that out of the water.

I'm sure football has enough money at the highest levels, to be able tto look after itself on a wider scale.

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But it is totally the right decision.
Finishing the current season to its natural conclusion is by far the correct thing to do both from a financial and sporting perspective, in fact it is the only fair decision that could be made.
Clubs have built their current squads based on this seasons rules. This season MUST finish.
Next season should start at some time in the future, be that September or even next year, and the rules for that season will need to be adjusted, but that is the season that should be affected, but everyone understands the adapted rules for it from the start, rather than just cancel a season that is 75% through and just pretend it hasn’t happened.
Transfer windows will be adjusted to occur between seasons whenever that happens. Players out of contract will be allowed to sign short term contracts, players that have agreed to move will not be able to play for new clubs and the few cases where players have already signed for new club from July 1, decisions whether they delay the start of that transfer or just sign but are unable to play for new club will be dealt with on individual player basis.

have to say I found Karen Brady’s comments distasteful in the extreme, trying to use the virus for self preservation purposes due to an underperforming season.
 
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Spurslove

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But it is totally the right decision.
Finishing the current season to its natural conclusion is by far the correct thing to do both from a financial and sporting perspective, in fact it is the only fair decision that could be made.
Clubs have built their current squads based on this seasons rules. This season MUST finish.
Next season should start at some time in the future, be that September or even next year, and the rules for that season will need to be adjusted, but that is the season that should be affected, but everyone understands the adapted rules for it from the start, rather than just cancel a season that is 75% through and just pretend it hasn’t happened.
Transfer windows will be adjusted to occur between seasons whenever that happens. Players out of contract will be allowed to sign short term contracts, players that have agreed to move will not be able to play for new clubs and the few cases where players have already signed for new club from July 1, decisions whether they delay the start of that transfer or just sign but are unable to play for new club will be dealt with on individual player basis.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but it's clear to me that the primary motivations of both parties (the football authorities and the fans) are different. Neither is better or worse, just different, and both stances are entirely understandable.

One is financial and logistical, exactly as you've highlighted, and the other, strictly humanitarian.

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yankspurs

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If conditions allow, restart the season mid may and go until end of June. 3 week break, 5 week pre season, start next season in September and pack in the 38 fixtures through mid-late May
 

Trotter

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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but it's clear to me that the primary motivations of both parties (the football authorities and the fans) are different. Neither is better or worse, just different, and both stances are entirely understandable.

One is financial and logistical, exactly as you've highlighted, and the other, strictly humanitarian.

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I reckon it is humanitarian from your point of view, and even in an echo chamber of Spurs fans points of view, because this season has been so crap, we just want to start another one.
But that is not the right do.
The right thing to do is to finish the season, everything else is more of a self-centred what is best for me view imho.
 

Trotter

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If conditions allow, restart the season mid may and go until end of June. 3 week break, 5 week pre season, start next season in September and pack in the 38 fixtures through mid-late May

start of next season does not need to be determined, it will happen when it happens.
For all we know next season may be 2 Premier Leagues of 10, just play 18 games and have a play off and maybe no relegation, or even just cancel 2020-21, make this season 2019-21 and just play friendlies next year.
Those Decisions will be made at appropriate time when we have a timeline of this season ending.
the overriding priority for all leagues and competitions has to be finishing this season, not starting next at a given date.
 
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nailsy

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It makes sense to finish the season at some point. They're going to need to amend future football calanders anyway due to the winter world cup.
 

thebenjamin

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But it is totally the right decision.
Finishing the current season to its natural conclusion is by far the correct thing to do both from a financial and sporting perspective, in fact it is the only fair decision that could be made.
Clubs have built their current squads based on this seasons rules. This season MUST finish.
Next season should start at some time in the future, be that September or even next year, and the rules for that season will need to be adjusted, but that is the season that should be affected, but everyone understands the adapted rules for it from the start, rather than just cancel a season that is 75% through and just pretend it hasn’t happened.
Transfer windows will be adjusted to occur between seasons whenever that happens. Players out of contract will be allowed to sign short term contracts, players that have agreed to move will not be able to play for new clubs and the few cases where players have already signed for new club from July 1, decisions whether they delay the start of that transfer or just sign but are unable to play for new club will be dealt with on individual player basis.

have to say I found Karen Brady’s comments distasteful in the extreme, trying to use the virus for self preservation purposes due to an underperforming season.

What if you can't finish this season until a year from now? When squads have changed, contracts have expired, transfers have happened?
 

Trotter

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What if you can't finish this season until a year from now? When squads have changed, contracts have expired, transfers have happened?

Transfers won't be allowed to happen, FIFA will put an embargo on that happening until the current season ends.
What is going to happen in PL will be repeated across Europe, leagues will finish, although the timeline for that is not known yet.
Players out of contract will be allowed to sign short-term contracts to continue playing with their current employers, and out of contract players who have already signed a pre-contract would be able to join a new club, but not play for their new club initially (or come to mutual agreement to re=date the start of that new deal)

Personally I think matches will resume sooner than we think, but quite probably behind closed doors, in sterilised conditions, possibly even at training grounds.
 

Spurslove

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I reckon it is humanitarian from your point of view, and even in an echo chamber of Spurs fans points of view, because this season has been so crap, we just want to start another one.
But that is not the right do.
The right thing to do is to finish the season, everything else is more of a self-centred what is best for me view imho.

Would you advocate playing the remaining games of the season behind closed doors, just to get it over and done with? Some people are saying the Covid-19 crisis could possibly be reaching it's peak over the next three or four months, so do you think playing behind closed doors would be making the best of the worst case scenario, or would you rule that out completely?

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