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Which is fairer? Coronavirus implications

SpursFox

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I think in one regard it would be justified to give Liverpool the title given the circumstances. It is pretty certain they will win it, although I would argue with myself about what would the cut off be. It would be unfair to give them the title if they were one point in the lead, so when does it become enough points in the lead to say alright then give it to 'em. 10? 16 and a half? No, the obvious answer for a line in the sand is mathematical certainty, which would mean they'd have already won it anyway, which they haven't. And that would ripple down to champions league places, that's very tight and a fair few teams are in the mix and there's big financial implications, you can't just give it to the teams currently occupying those places when fixtures haven't been equal and there's still plenty to play for. Obviously relegation and promotion from the leagues below is even more of a concern. You also can't do one approach to one problem and another to the next, like give Liverpool the title cause they 'probably' will win it, but say sod ya to everyone else, or even anyone else.

Objectively the best thing to do is reset it, I say objectively, I mean that does advantage us, of course, but I think id be forced to come to that decision even if we were in Liverpool's position, although id have to question if we were destined to have everything go against us at that point. It would hurt, but as others have said, there's more important things at play. Maybe there could be a points advantage structure to next season, and/or compensation packages, but that does seem pretty messy in its own right, though some kind of financial aid would need to be there for struggling lower league clubs. I just hope this all doesn't get as severe as it's threatening to and as many people remain as safe as possible, and in the end, we can get back to football when our lives aren't so threatened by far more serious concerns.
 

sebo_sek

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I've lost all interest in Liverpool and whether or not they get an award for doing well during 3/4 of a full season.
I look around me and I realise I know many individuals who are directly affected. People who have lost loved ones, people who are shut off from reaching their close family, be it parents or significant others. People who don't know how long their little business will cope. People who are alone and can't get to their social activities as easily. So thinking about all these wonderful people being so directly affected, award Liverpool whatever, or don't. Who really cares one way or the other about a football trophy.
You've got over 1300 infected and 35 dead, and still no action. Get a grip Britain. This is no joke. Poland has been shut down for 2 days (schools, restaurants, cinemas, libraries, mass events, boarders). This thing won't just go away.
Is it true you people are still having marathons, concerts etc? INSANE.
 

Spurslove

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I think the fairest solution is to simply put the clubs in reverse alphabetical order (so Z is first). Amazingly, as luck would have it, I believe this gets us in the top four. It's all I can reasonably suggest.

...or perhaps work backwards from 'T'?

(y)

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Spurslove

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You've got over 1300 infected and 35 dead, and still no action. Get a grip Britain. This is no joke. Poland has been shut down for 2 days (schools, restaurants, cinemas, libraries, mass events, boarders). This thing won't just go away.
Is it true you people are still having marathons, concerts etc? INSANE.

Shut down the schools, and all those parents would need to be off work to take care of their kids and some people work for low wages and in jobs which cannot be done from home (cleaners etc) so they would have to claim Statutory Sick Pay at only £94 per week. So how exactly would you suggest that would work?

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Everlasting Seconds

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You've got over 1300 infected and 35 dead, and still no action. Get a grip Britain. This is no joke. Poland has been shut down for 2 days (schools, restaurants, cinemas, libraries, mass events, boarders). This thing won't just go away.
Is it true you people are still having marathons, concerts etc? INSANE.
Hah, well I don't know if I belong to "you people" in your reference but yes. There was a half marathon today in Bath. The entire town centre was dead, apart from the race course. It's mental. They claimed "too late to cancel". Have no idea if that's true.
But the main problem is not those numbers you cite. 1300 infected? Nah, not a chance. Maybe many thousands more than that is the real number for UK. That's the issue. I texted today with a medical academic in the UK, a specialist, and basically the message was to self-isolate and save your self and your family. Nobody else will do that for you. Similarly also from the US I've received worst case projections. 20000 cases so far, 1 million hospital beds total in all medical domains across the nation, and worst case of 145 million infected. Imagine that country if that comes true.
 

John48

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Most don't think the football can restart on 4th April, so the question will be when it start? If the restart can't happen until July say then you're likely to affect the start of next season & whilst getting away for a holiday seems unlikely they still need some down time.
 

greaves

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You've got over 1300 infected and 35 dead, and still no action. Get a grip Britain. This is no joke. Poland has been shut down for 2 days (schools, restaurants, cinemas, libraries, mass events, boarders). This thing won't just go away.
Is it true you people are still having marathons, concerts etc? INSANE.

'Horseracing, actually,' said Lady Wimblestop. 'That's quite a different thing altogether. You Poles...' she sniffed. Whereupon she downed her fifth prosecco, farted with a sophistication learned at the finest finishing school in Switzerland and swept off to place a hefty bet on her pick for the 15.05, "Proper Class".
 

sebo_sek

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Shut down the schools, and all those parents would need to be off work to take care of their kids and some people work for low wages and in jobs which cannot be done from home (cleaners etc) so they would have to claim Statutory Sick Pay at only £94 per week. So how exactly would you suggest that would work?

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How much would they earn, and who will take care of those kids, if they're bed stricken or dead?
 

nailsy

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Jul 24, 2005
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I've lost all interest in Liverpool and whether or not they get an award for doing well during 3/4 of a full season.
I look around me and I realise I know many individuals who are directly affected. People who have lost loved ones, people who are shut off from reaching their close family, be it parents or significant others. People who don't know how long their little business will cope. People who are alone and can't get to their social activities as easily. So thinking about all these wonderful people being so directly affected, award Liverpool whatever, or don't. Who really cares one way or the other about a football trophy.

I agree with you, but I'm still going to talk about it as I need something to distract me from the real world right now.

Most don't think the football can restart on 4th April, so the question will be when it start? If the restart can't happen until July say then you're likely to affect the start of next season & whilst getting away for a holiday seems unlikely they still need some down time.

I think planning to start the new season in August feels optimistic even without trying to finish this season off.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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PLEASE READ AND FORCE PEOPLE TO ACT!!!

My company here in South Africa hasn't even mentioned the virus or any contingency plans, and we work in the construction industry. In a day we can come into direct contact with 100+ clients, and they have probably come into contact with a lot more people on the site itself.
 

olliec

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If the season can’t be finished then it should be voided. We’ve been on the butt end of a couple of horrible things when it comes to football, but we carry on. You can’t give the title to Liverpool because they are not over the finish line just as you wouldn’t give a runner a gold medal for just getting nearly over the finish line. Sucks for pool but nobody predicted this and I am not being biased. I Am just happy for once that it’s not us who is the butt end of the joke.
 

Spurslove

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PLEASE READ AND FORCE PEOPLE TO ACT!!!

OK, so I read it and now, I and my family (and my friends) are even more scared shitless than we were before. We are all self-isolating as far as we can, not because any of us are showing any signs of the virus, but because we want to virtually eliminate the chances of any of us catching it, and of course, working from home as much as anyone can, makes perfect sense, and so too does getting all your groceries and essential supplies delivered if you can, but with the massive increase in the workload invoved, some delivery companies won't be ale to function properly, and some may even go to the wall because they'll be unable to cope with the volume of the demand (I think Ocado have gone bust for example).

As I said, working from home is not an option for those low-skilled workers like cleaners, so they are in a truly desperate financial situation if they're told too stay home by their employers.

What I personally wanted to find out from the linked article, was the general demographic of the ages of those who've died, measured against the number of cases tested positive in the UK. We're constantly being told that 'older people' are more likely to die from it, especially if they have 'pre-existing' medical conditions, but I didn't see any references or charts in that article to explain the details of how that works in practice.

So out of every 100 people dying in the UK, what will the age breakdown of those 100 be?

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Spurslove

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There is NO chance of football starting again in the near future. Sorry to sound morbid but who is the most indebted club with the stadium ? Us.

I think as a club we could be in a shitty position very quickly with no income.

Like I said (somewhere) it's only a matter of time before Levy get's the blame for Coronavirus shitting on us from a great height.

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spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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If they can’t play games over the summer then maybe a good idea would to have a return to the home nations tournament behind closed doors. They could have it over a week at a single stadium, say Wembley for example.

People would be desperate to watch that after months without any football.
 

Yid-ol

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Jan 16, 2006
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One possible option. One Premier League season of 42 games, with five relegations (as long as West Ham are guaranteed to be one of them).

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A one off season where an extra team gets relegated.....Spurs playing shit....we know we would end up in that spot and get relegated :cry: :cautious:
 

rossdapep

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I was thinking before about how to help the smaller clubs.

One option would be to have something similar to the state championships thwy have in Brazil.

You could take a PL team, Championship team, L1, L2 and non-league (or something similar) put them in a small group so that they all have to play each other. This way every small club gets a payday out of it.

It could replace both the FA Cup and League Cup for one season.

We simply have to look after the smaller clubs, failure to do so will be a disaster not just for the club's but for every one.
 
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