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Which is fairer? Coronavirus implications

Trees

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We'd be OK through one short term crisis. In our accounts, the market value of the playing squad is to put it simple almost not shown (I shan't bother to explain why in this thread). But Tottenham's worst bad case scenario is selling Harry Kane, and all liabilities would be taken care of for 1-2 years. Obviously from an accounting perspective I'm not an advocate for selling assets off as financial tactics, because it's never a long term solution. But if worst comes to worst, Tottenham would survive. Of course the big issue is that our the market value of our squad was many times higher 2 years ago. There was a time when we could have sold 5 players and be completely debt free – in a hypothetical scenario. Today we can only really sell Kane as a way to make a difference financially – and that wouldn't do much more than to buy us time and tie us over. That is a drastic change in circumstances. But still, Tottenham would survive a short term crisis.
That is on the presumption every other league isn’t still on lockdown
 

Spurslove

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I come from Hong Kong. Just don't underestimate this coronavirus. It would be disaster if they don't suspend the epl. Too easy to get infected if there is close contact (and unavoidable in the changing room!)

And for everyone in UK, remember to wash your hands. Wear mask if possible. Wearing mask is protecting yourself as well as protecting others surrounding you

Those face masks are proven not to completely protect you from the virus. The virus can infect you through your eyes and hands, although of course, if you're wearing a face mask, you're protecting others from your breath, and your coughs and sneezes, which is an excellent idea.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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That is on the presumption every other league isn’t still on lockdown
The latest accounts are staring to get old, I know, so some caveat about that, but in them they had 100 million in cash (this number fluctuates a lot so who knows what it is in 2020), and they had a profit of 100+ millions. Tottenham is a well run club financially, and they will survive one short term crisis. Long term who knows, but if Tottenham is going down, that would be if the entire sport was financially falling apart.
 

$hoguN

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Only way the season can be fair is to be completed. If that can’t happen then it’s null and void and the prize money should be shared equally
 

whitechina

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Rooney wrote his thoughts on how to finish this season and what to do for the next few seasons.
When cleared play until the end of the year and begin the new season early nest year.
With the next world cup in the winter it would mean being ready for that.
For me this is the best solution I have seen so far which probably means it's got no chance!
What are your thoughts?
 

NorfolkArgus

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Rooney wrote his thoughts on how to finish this season and what to do for the next few seasons.
When cleared play until the end of the year and begin the new season early nest year.
With the next world cup in the winter it would mean being ready for that.
For me this is the best solution I have seen so far which probably means it's got no chance!
What are your thoughts?
Not sure what that would mean after the World Cup though. Would be no football until following August to get back on track. Or play 1/2 season, i.e. play each team once?

Interesting though.
 

whitechina

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Not sure what that would mean after the World Cup though. Would be no football until following August to get back on track. Or play 1/2 season, i.e. play each team once?

Interesting though.
That's interesting about playing half a season- playing teams only once
Do some kind of lottery for who is at home could be a fun idea
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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With regards to cancellations of the season and tv money. Would clubs need to refund the tv money rights for the remainder? Do they get it all upfront or is it divided out per game? Quarterly etc?

I just wondered if there was a chance games would be played behind closed doors. Although even that has huge logistical issues for the whole.of the league?
 

adamsky

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I think clubs will and should agree to give an honorary title to Liverpool and then nullify the season. I just don’t see another option. Liverpool will always have an asterisk next to their title but there is no solution where everything is fair
 

John48

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Only way the season can be fair is to be completed. If that can’t happen then it’s null and void and the prize money should be shared equally

Yep I agree, if can't be completed it should be declared & we come back in Aug (hopefully) & start again.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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I've lost all interest in Liverpool and whether or not they get an award for doing well during 3/4 of a full season.
I look around me and I realise I know many individuals who are directly affected. People who have lost loved ones, people who are shut off from reaching their close family, be it parents or significant others. People who don't know how long their little business will cope. People who are alone and can't get to their social activities as easily. So thinking about all these wonderful people being so directly affected, award Liverpool whatever, or don't. Who really cares one way or the other about a football trophy.
 

spursfan77

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What happens to the premier league is pretty irrelevant when compared to lower down the football league pyramid. I’d wager 50% or more of the clubs in divisions 1 or 2 could well go to the wall without the gate receipts for the rest of this season to cover staff and playing wages.
 

matthew.absurdum

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Those face masks are proven not to completely protect you from the virus. The virus can infect you through your eyes and hands, although of course, if you're wearing a face mask, you're protecting others from your breath, and your coughs and sneezes, which is an excellent idea.

I didn't mention many people in here wear safety googles (in addition to normal masks) and gas mask when they are out....
Well, we are kind of well prepared after the protest....
 

greaves

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Edit: Now this has happened, making this more visible for discussion of what happens next.

Assuming that all football is postponed/cancelled within the next week or so, I still can't decide what the fairest approach is.

Do we ignore this season and pretend it didn't happen?
All promoted/relegated teams from 2018/2019 to stay where they are.
European qualification as 2018/2019 (we're back in the CL)
Liverpool not given title (harsh but hilarious)

or

Do we say that the places as of a certain date are the "end" of the season?
Liverpool win league
Teams currently in promotion/regelation/europe positions count as end of season
Some times will have had harder fixtures than others so some teams very disadvantaged. That could in theory put some clubs out of business.
No FA cup final means no winners to qualify for europe so how we do fill that space?

Both options seem pretty crap but which would be fairer? It's fairly obvious that it needs to be consistent Europe-wide but there's no guarantee that we decide to do the same as the other major leagues unless UEFA mandate it.

I think the fairest solution is to simply put the clubs in reverse alphabetical order (so Z is first). Amazingly, as luck would have it, I believe this gets us in the top four. It's all I can reasonably suggest.
 

barry

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You guys are so magnanimous. I'm proud. I'm more base so my thinking is purely Spurscentric. Void the season, give us champs league. Fuck the rest.
Or even more ideally just crown us champions for no reason whatsoever.
 

mil1lion

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If the league gets cancelled I would keep all teams in their current leagues and all European competitions the same teams. But I would start next season with a staggered points system. Starting from the bottom club on 0 points the 2nd from bottom start on the number of points they're ahead of them and so on. That is the fairest way to make sure the effort teams put in is rewarded fairly.

By that calculation Liverpool start on 61 points, City on 36. The difficulty is with the game in hand so maybe make those a draw so City on 37. We would start on 20. So Liverpool don't win the title this season but set themselves up for it next season.
 

RichieS

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The latest accounts are staring to get old, I know, so some caveat about that, but in them they had 100 million in cash (this number fluctuates a lot so who knows what it is in 2020), and they had a profit of 100+ millions. Tottenham is a well run club financially, and they will survive one short term crisis. Long term who knows, but if Tottenham is going down, that would be if the entire sport was financially falling apart.
Those latest accounts also run 2017-18, so the cash and profit were more than likely swallowed up by the stadium shortly after the end of the accounting period (which was June 2018).

I agree that, of all the clubs in the PL, we're probably second to Man Utd in ability to ride out financial turmoil in the wider industry.
 

Spurs 1961

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This idea is exactly what I had been thinking. The problem I foresaw was the fact of losing effectively a whole season (or half). Financially this would hurt clubs, suppliers, local businesses etc., and perhaps create problems with sponsorship contracts. However if the country is in a state of emergency similar to being on a war footing then all normality surely goes out of the window and whatever an be salvaged is a bonus
 

gavspur

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Surely it’s got to be void? This is not going to go away quickly, I’ve just had a big work contract in Knightsbridge postponed until further notice, I was up there Thursday and Friday, and now we’re told no works to continue. London was very quiet on both days.
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