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Which is fairer? Coronavirus implications

Johnny J

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I think all this talk of possible legal action this and that way is probably overly hyped. There are most likely more than enough contractual clauses to account for major, unforeseen, devastating events, and as long as the governing bodies don't reach extremely stupid conclusions, they probably can't be sued that easily. There is not going to be any one single way that is "fair". "Fair" is out the window. What matters now, is that Tottenham plays CL next time the competition starts. :LOL:
Yeah. It's worth noting that there will 100% be contractual provisions in the various agreements dealing with what happens if the season can't be completed.
 

Tit&Ham

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I'm not saying you are wrong, who knows, but what is the exact rationale for just handing Spurs a CL spot in this scenario?
Give CL/EL to this seasons qualifiers and last seasons qualifiers

Edit: So a combination of voiding this season and ending this season at current standings. Would still piss of United and sheff u though...
 

Trotter

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Give CL/EL to this seasons qualifiers and last seasons qualifiers

Edit: So a combination of voiding this season and ending this season at current standings. Would still piss of United and sheff u though...

Except we have already had our shot at CL and blown it, as have Arsenal in Europa, why should we be given a free hit when we don't deserve it, it is totally blinkered view based on what you hope to happen, rather than what should/fairest to happen.
 
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TonyS

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That is not going to happen though.

The only realistic options are

1. Declare season over, relegate nobody, promote up 2 teams from EFL, play with 22 next season, with either 2 up 4 down, or 3 up 5 down next year.

2, Void season, and financially compensate EFL teams.

In both above a decision would need to be made about European places, and logic would suggest current league placings, with a financial adjustment on sliding scale for those other teams. We are 75% through season, that cannot just be ignored.

3. Continue this season to its natural conclusion, be that in June, July, or even into September, and adjust next season's match calendar accordingly. I think that is the most logical solution, be it with crowds or behind closed doors, and even held at training grounds or neutral venues if applicable, with players and support staff under isolation.

I am sure we will also look at what other European Leagues are doing, and UEFA announcements in respect of their competitions before any decisions are made.
I hear you and I think your point 3, is the fairest. My whole point was that whatever they come up with, some will like it and some won't, unfortunately. The ones that don't, IMO, will take it through the courts to get what they feel is best for them and their clubs.

TBH, I'd be for finishing it now and giving the title to Liverpool. They have been the best by a country mile
 

NorthernYido

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Sod fair, null and void the season! Anyone who has any following of English football shouldn't want those Scousers hands anywhere near that trophy. They'll all be out of the woodwork for years , rational football debate will be dead and buried because Liverpool won the league, a cataclysmic event, El Nino - the horror
 

Tit&Ham

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Except we have already had our shot at CL and blown it, as have Arsenal in Europa, why should we be given a free hit when we don't deserve it, it is totally blinkered view based on what you hope to happen, rather than what should/fairest to happen.

It has nothing to do with what I hope for, it has to do with what I believe will be the outcome.
I don’t care that much about us getting CL because I think we have bigger issues than that. All I want for my Spurs is to play good exciting football again, be it in CL, EL or just PL.

The point is that any other solutions will be extremly hard to do without enourmous resistence from most of the clubs.

If they can finish the season -fair enough, then that is the best solution. But I don’t think that is possible.
 

Phantom

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Seen a few mentions in the media of one potential issue to restarting the season after a lengthy break, the need to get players back to match fitness. Could the remaining games potentially be reduced to 70 mins total to help combat the overall lack of match-fitness league wide?

Fuck that we only start playing in the last 15 mins when the game is lost.
 
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There are only a few scenarios I see being plausible

1- Extend the season until however long it needs
Cons: Player contracts ending late June, missing a pre-season

2- End the season early
Cons: Qualification and Relegation related fury

3-Some sort of play-offs in lieu of the full brochure of matches to decide the ups and downs


Vaguely amusing that the PL has been moaning about a winter break for years now, and in the pilot season we get a huge impromptu one.
 
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Im sure the top clubs in football and the FA could look after the smaller clubs with handouts for one season.

Realistically speaking, there are only a handful that aren't loss-making - fewer again if you remove club debt and dodgy accounting.
 

glacierSpurs

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The longer the pandemic situation and postponement goes, the more viable is voiding the season TBH. Too bad the season standings are far from being mathematically certain in positions and we cannot assume the upcoming games and rule fairness in, saying what could have happened.

Tough luck on Liverpool, but the season should be deemed as never happened, including all results and stats.
 

Metalhead

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If they decide to play the remaining fixtures over the summer and push the Euros back to the winter, what would happen to both transfer windows? What would happen to the preseason?
 

sebo_sek

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From where I stand the Prem is fucked cos Britain is fucked. You've done fuck all to stem the spread of this pandemic. Hundreds of infected God knows how many more don't know and are infecting others and you are wondering about football implications.

This is going to be brutal for you.
 

Trees

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From where I stand the Prem is fucked cos Britain is fucked. You've done fuck all to stem the spread of this pandemic. Hundreds of infected God knows how many more don't know and are infecting others and you are wondering about football implications.

This is going to be brutal for you.
There is NO chance of football starting again in the near future. Sorry to sound morbid but who is the most indebted club with the stadium ? Us.

I think as a club we could be in a shitty position very quickly with no income.
 

teedee

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According to the chief medical officer for the UK, the virus will not even reach its peak for another 10-14 weeks which, worst case scenario, takes us to the end of June. But that is just the peak. How bad will the contagion be and for how long after that date? No one knows. And then there is the isolation period of 14 days for footballers and clubs' staff. Add the fact that footballers are more prone to catching viruses than the man in the street because they're immunosuppressed and it's a complete clusterfuck. I see no end in sight.

It's being so cheerful that keeps me going. ;)
 

Everlasting Seconds

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There is NO chance of football starting again in the near future. Sorry to sound morbid but who is the most indebted club with the stadium ? Us.

I think as a club we could be in a shitty position very quickly with no income.
We'd be OK through one short term crisis. In our accounts, the market value of the playing squad is to put it simple almost not shown (I shan't bother to explain why in this thread). But Tottenham's worst bad case scenario is selling Harry Kane, and all liabilities would be taken care of for 1-2 years. Obviously from an accounting perspective I'm not an advocate for selling assets off as financial tactics, because it's never a long term solution. But if worst comes to worst, Tottenham would survive. Of course the big issue is that our the market value of our squad was many times higher 2 years ago. There was a time when we could have sold 5 players and be completely debt free – in a hypothetical scenario. Today we can only really sell Kane as a way to make a difference financially – and that wouldn't do much more than to buy us time and tie us over. That is a drastic change in circumstances. But still, Tottenham would survive a short term crisis.
 

teok

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Opinion only:
No chance in hell the season is finished later on.
- Clubs will have new cases of outbreak for months still.
- in the summer/Autumn when things may Start to normalize the players will need a new pre-season and a lot will be out of contract.
They may Even have to postpone the start of next season.

what solution can they land on?
Pretty much up in the air, but most of them are going to be unfair one way or another.

My guess would be to please everyone:
Liverpool Champions
City (bar legal case), Spurs, Chelsea, Leicester to Get CL
Wolves, United, Arsenal, Sheffield United Get EL
No teams relegated
West brom and Leeds promoted

the biggest problem with this is the teams fighting for promotion in Championship...

So a 22 team prem next season?
 

Japhet

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I don't see any way this can go other than to void the whole season across the board. Of course it will be deemed very unfair on many clubs and hugely fortuitous for others, but shit happens. Suggestions like awarding the EPL title to Liverpool are all well and good but it would lead to so many other complications;
1) If Liverpool were awarded the title without mathematically winning it, the current leaders of every other league would be entitled to claim victory and presumably promotion.
2) That then leads to other clubs having to be relegated when they could survive if the season played out.
3) Champions League and Europa places would go to teams that haven't yet earned them with all of the huge revenues involved.

I also don't see any way the season will get started again in order for it to be completed.
 

Spurslove

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You can’t give Liverpool the title without relegating and promoting teams in the respective spots, can’t have one rule for one club and then change it for others. Either the season is void or we complete it in a few months (if we can play in a few months).

I'm all for declaring the whole season null and void and consigning all our terrible results to the dustbin and starting again, fresh, next season with a fully fit squad to take it's revenge and kick some arse.

The only problem with that, is that West Ham wouldn't be relegated (and that's probably why Miss Piggy opened her gob and gave us all her tuppence worth in the first place...).

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