Which is fairer? Coronavirus implications

[Marty]

I like Austria. Had a mate who worked there for 8/9 years and visited him a few times. A great city. One I would definitely recommend visiting. A really low population density too so it doesn’t really feel like a busy place.

Austria isn't a city...

 

[sundanceyid10]

Austrian Government allowing teams to resume training on Monday (in effect calling them key workers).

Intention is to play games behind closed doors, with players tested before matches

Think this scenario is doomed to fail myself.

 

[Monkey boy]

I like Austria. Had a mate who worked there for 8/9 years and visited him a few times. A great city. One I would definitely recommend visiting. A really low population density too so it doesn’t really feel like a busy place.

austria is a city? Who knew.

 

[spursfan77]

Austria isn't a city...

I meant Vienna obviously.

 

[Yid-ol]

I meant Vienna obviously.

Poppycock





.....sorry I meant obviously!

 

[Gbspurs]

30th June deadline makes sense for contractual purposes but there is no point in agreeing to a deadline if they can't agree what happens if the deadline isn't met, and I suspect that will be the larger issue.

 

[Gbspurs]

I don't think you can avoid lawsuits whatever you do unless you can a) finish this season and b) still start next one on time-ish and finish it as normal, which just doesn't seem possible sadly. If you void it for instance, Leicester, Wolves and Sheffield United will miss out on European revenue they'd very likely have received (near-certain in Leicester's case).

Whilst there is likely to be complaints regardless I think its easier to justify voiding the season than just stopping it now.

Voiding means that everyone gets the same treatment and the same chance next season. I just can't see how stopping its is fair as all teams haven't played each other twice some sides would have benefited from playing lesser sides more so their current standing can be seen to be artificial. There are just too many games left to play.

 

[spursfan1991]

Spurs have had some strange luck in the past 15 years or so. It would be nice to have some good luck for a change and somehow still qualify for the Champions League if the season gets voided. Let's look at some unusual circumstances Spurs have faced over the past 15 years at really big moments for the club which no other club can claim has happened to them.

- Lasagne - Final Game of the season, winning the final game ensures qualification for the CL for the first time. This set the club back few years and we lost Jol.
- Finished 4th under Harry but still failed to qualify because of one of the luckiest Champions league wins ever by Chelsea. Harry got sacked and we did nothing for a couple of years afterwards.
- A handball that never was given after only 26 seconds in a major final completely derailing our strategy for the game.

 

[Saoirse]

Spurs have had some strange luck in the past 15 years or so. It would be nice to have some good luck for a change and somehow still qualify for the Champions League if the season gets voided. Let's look at some unusual circumstances Spurs have faced over the past 15 years at really big moments for the club which no other club can claim has happened to them.

- Lasagne - Final Game of the season, winning the final game ensures qualification for the CL for the first time. This set the club back few years and we lost Jol.
- Finished 4th under Harry but still failed to qualify because of one of the luckiest Champions league wins ever by Chelsea. Harry got sacked and we did nothing for a couple of years afterwards.
- A handball that never was given after only 26 seconds in a major final completely derailing our strategy for the game.

2020: Tottenham finish below Arsenal and fail to qualify for Europe, knowing that they got stuffed by Arsenal's match at City being cancelled just before the league suspended with Arsenal needing a win to overtake them if it'd been played.

 

['O Zio]

Just stick one camera up. Seems the media only care about the games being played and the season finishing. They only need proof the games have happened.

Regarding the tv money, I see no other way.

It's more to do with Sky etc wanting the content that they've paid for, and the PL wanting to fulfil their commitment so they don't have to give the money back.

I doubt sky would be happy paying full whack for some ramshackle footage filmed by a groundsman on a single camera because of its a tin pot job then their customers won't be happy with it either.

 

[sundanceyid10]

Whilst there is likely to be complaints regardless I think its easier to justify voiding the season than just stopping it now.

Voiding means that everyone gets the same treatment and the same chance next season. I just can't see how stopping its is fair as all teams haven't played each other twice some sides would have benefited from playing lesser sides more so their current standing can be seen to be artificial. There are just too many games left to play.

?

 

[hellava_tough]

Spurs have had some strange luck in the past 15 years or so. It would be nice to have some good luck for a change and somehow still qualify for the Champions League if the season gets voided. Let's look at some unusual circumstances Spurs have faced over the past 15 years at really big moments for the club which no other club can claim has happened to them.

- Lasagne - Final Game of the season, winning the final game ensures qualification for the CL for the first time. This set the club back few years and we lost Jol.
- Finished 4th under Harry but still failed to qualify because of one of the luckiest Champions league wins ever by Chelsea. Harry got sacked and we did nothing for a couple of years afterwards.
- A handball that never was given after only 26 seconds in a major final completely derailing our strategy for the game.

It was even weirder than that.

John Terry, Chelsea captain as we all know, was accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand. The FA told then England manager Capello that he wasn't allowed to play Terry in upcoming games, so Capello walked. And that started the speculation as to who would be the next England manager, which turned Harry Redknapp's head and our league form severely suffered. Harry didn't get the job and once the speculation was over, we got back to winning ways. But the damage had already been done.

We should never have been in the position where we needed Bayern to beat Chelsea; we should have finished 3rd that season.

 

[spursfan77]

It was even weirder than that.

John Terry, Chelsea captain as we all know, was accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand. The FA told then England manager Capello that he wasn't allowed to play Terry in upcoming games, so Capello walked. And that started the speculation as to who would be the next England manager, which turned Harry Redknapp's head and our league form severely suffered. Harry didn't get the job and once the speculation was over, we got back to winning ways. But the damage had already been done.

We should never have been in the position where we needed Bayern to beat Chelsea; we should have finished 3rd that season.

Yep, it was the weirdest sequence of events and you could see it coming the second capello left. Another reason, not that we really need one, to absolutely detest John terry.

 

[Metalhead]

I meant Vienna obviously.

Poppycock





.....sorry I meant obviously!

Nope, it's definitely called Vienna.

 

[Metalhead]

Maybe we could have something similar to a transfer pledge. Everyone who is in declares whether they are going for 'void' or 'season gets completed' and the 'losers' give the money to SC.

 

[spursfan77]

Some of the points in this article are made as to why it’s difficult to restart the league. I can’t say I disagree. I’ve posted them so you don’t have to click on that twat Oliver Holt’s article.

Lower league clubs in cash crisis push to call off season

EXCLUSIVE BY OLIVER HOLT AND ROB DRAPER: A growing number of Football League clubs are questioning the wisdom of attempting to finish the 2019-20 season.

www.dailymail.co.uk

No detailed plans can be finalised until Government advice changes, with lockdown currently extended until May 7. There is an expectation that training will restart soon after, as long as the government projections about the pace of the pandemic are met.
There is no prospect of fans being allowed in, with many experts saying that is likely to remain the case until a vaccine is in widespread circulation.
One Premier League club has told players they are likely to be in a hotel quarantine for around 50 days to finish the season. But that raises mental health issues if players can only leave a hotel to train and are unable to see their families.
West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady outlined some of the problems facing the Premier League in her newspaper column on Saturday.
'Everyone at the stadium - and even behind closed doors this is about 300-500 people - including security, staff, medical officers, players, referees and media, will have to have temperature checks, fill out health questionnaires and observe social distancing,' she wrote.
'Then there is the issue of injuries. All this is manageable but what if a player is injured, where do we send him? It can't be to an NHS hospital that is already under pressure and private hospitals are carrying out NHS procedures and not taking in injured footballers. So then what?'
No one has come up with a clear plan if a player or member of staff contracts coronavirus during the restarted season.
That could mean the entire squad having to go into another 14 days of isolation, holding up the season again.
Dr Bharat Pankhania, a senior clinical lecturer at Exeter University Medical School, who specialises in infectious disease management, said: 'If Player A has now shed the virus I will only know for sure if player B, C, D and E have picked it up or not in 14 days' time.'
Additional testing might help, but Dr Pankhania said: 'You could test negative today but you could be incubating the virus and you could be infectious up to three days. You can test negative and you may not have signs and symptoms and then go to work and infect people.
'But if a team of say 40 players and staff are kept segregated and another team of 40 are kept segregated and no one is showing signs of infection and we have tested and checked and we've done a lot of due diligence, then play the game. But who is going to take those decisions?'
The Bundesliga is planning to restart in early May and clubs are already training. Teams are likely to be tested every two days, but Germany is currently performing more than 100,000 tests a day. In the UK, the government said 21,389 tests were carried out on Friday.

 

[sundanceyid10]

Some of the points in this article are made as to why it’s difficult to restart the league. I can’t say I disagree. I’ve posted them so you don’t have to click on that twat Oliver Holt’s article.

Lower league clubs in cash crisis push to call off season

EXCLUSIVE BY OLIVER HOLT AND ROB DRAPER: A growing number of Football League clubs are questioning the wisdom of attempting to finish the 2019-20 season.

www.dailymail.co.uk

No detailed plans can be finalised until Government advice changes, with lockdown currently extended until May 7. There is an expectation that training will restart soon after, as long as the government projections about the pace of the pandemic are met.
There is no prospect of fans being allowed in, with many experts saying that is likely to remain the case until a vaccine is in widespread circulation.
One Premier League club has told players they are likely to be in a hotel quarantine for around 50 days to finish the season. But that raises mental health issues if players can only leave a hotel to train and are unable to see their families.
West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady outlined some of the problems facing the Premier League in her newspaper column on Saturday.
'Everyone at the stadium - and even behind closed doors this is about 300-500 people - including security, staff, medical officers, players, referees and media, will have to have temperature checks, fill out health questionnaires and observe social distancing,' she wrote.
'Then there is the issue of injuries. All this is manageable but what if a player is injured, where do we send him? It can't be to an NHS hospital that is already under pressure and private hospitals are carrying out NHS procedures and not taking in injured footballers. So then what?'
No one has come up with a clear plan if a player or member of staff contracts coronavirus during the restarted season.
That could mean the entire squad having to go into another 14 days of isolation, holding up the season again.
Dr Bharat Pankhania, a senior clinical lecturer at Exeter University Medical School, who specialises in infectious disease management, said: 'If Player A has now shed the virus I will only know for sure if player B, C, D and E have picked it up or not in 14 days' time.'
Additional testing might help, but Dr Pankhania said: 'You could test negative today but you could be incubating the virus and you could be infectious up to three days. You can test negative and you may not have signs and symptoms and then go to work and infect people.
'But if a team of say 40 players and staff are kept segregated and another team of 40 are kept segregated and no one is showing signs of infection and we have tested and checked and we've done a lot of due diligence, then play the game. But who is going to take those decisions?'
The Bundesliga is planning to restart in early May and clubs are already training. Teams are likely to be tested every two days, but Germany is currently performing more than 100,000 tests a day. In the UK, the government said 21,389 tests were carried out on Friday.

Great article thanks for sharing, very interesting. I’ve seen people say just test, but it’s not that simple. There are just so many problems with finishing this season. I have already posted some others on this thread. I see no way other than voiding it (I’m not saying that what I want) it’s just the inevitable outcome. it’s already hugely compromised before we get to loads and loads of issues around restarting.

 

[Marty]

Some of the points in this article are made as to why it’s difficult to restart the league. I can’t say I disagree. I’ve posted them so you don’t have to click on that twat Oliver Holt’s article.

Lower league clubs in cash crisis push to call off season

EXCLUSIVE BY OLIVER HOLT AND ROB DRAPER: A growing number of Football League clubs are questioning the wisdom of attempting to finish the 2019-20 season.

www.dailymail.co.uk

No detailed plans can be finalised until Government advice changes, with lockdown currently extended until May 7. There is an expectation that training will restart soon after, as long as the government projections about the pace of the pandemic are met.
There is no prospect of fans being allowed in, with many experts saying that is likely to remain the case until a vaccine is in widespread circulation.
One Premier League club has told players they are likely to be in a hotel quarantine for around 50 days to finish the season. But that raises mental health issues if players can only leave a hotel to train and are unable to see their families.
West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady outlined some of the problems facing the Premier League in her newspaper column on Saturday.
'Everyone at the stadium - and even behind closed doors this is about 300-500 people - including security, staff, medical officers, players, referees and media, will have to have temperature checks, fill out health questionnaires and observe social distancing,' she wrote.
'Then there is the issue of injuries. All this is manageable but what if a player is injured, where do we send him? It can't be to an NHS hospital that is already under pressure and private hospitals are carrying out NHS procedures and not taking in injured footballers. So then what?'
No one has come up with a clear plan if a player or member of staff contracts coronavirus during the restarted season.
That could mean the entire squad having to go into another 14 days of isolation, holding up the season again.
Dr Bharat Pankhania, a senior clinical lecturer at Exeter University Medical School, who specialises in infectious disease management, said: 'If Player A has now shed the virus I will only know for sure if player B, C, D and E have picked it up or not in 14 days' time.'
Additional testing might help, but Dr Pankhania said: 'You could test negative today but you could be incubating the virus and you could be infectious up to three days. You can test negative and you may not have signs and symptoms and then go to work and infect people.
'But if a team of say 40 players and staff are kept segregated and another team of 40 are kept segregated and no one is showing signs of infection and we have tested and checked and we've done a lot of due diligence, then play the game. But who is going to take those decisions?'
The Bundesliga is planning to restart in early May and clubs are already training. Teams are likely to be tested every two days, but Germany is currently performing more than 100,000 tests a day. In the UK, the government said 21,389 tests were carried out on Friday.

Yeah this is a massive hurdle, as is the fact that the clubs who rely on gate receipts and matchday revenue to stay afloat, ie every single club outside the PL, gain absolutely nothing from restarting the season behind closed doors.

 

[worcestersauce]

It's down to those two options though really, finish behind closed doors or void the season as there's no way any club will accept relegation based on standings with a quarter of the season still to play. I can see behind closed doors working for premier league games as the television audience will be enormous. Also just a thought they could show games at 3 o'clock on a Saturday because it wouldn't affect any gates. Imagine that, wall to wall football all weekend and weekday for that matter as most people are at home in the week anyway. I suspect there'd even be big audiences for lower division games too but if not there would have to be some kind of support package I guess.

 

[cabinfever]

Well here’s another thought. Say it’s decided to play games behind closed doors, can you imagine the crowds outside the grounds that Liverpool play at “to be there to celebrate winning the league?”. Similar, I expect for those avoiding relegation.
Voiding the league is the safest and simplest option, although it would be very, very hard for Liverpool to stomach (It’s like something that would happen to us!!!!).