Which came first?

[SpunkyBackpack]

The poor performance or the boos? It's a trend which is really bothering me.

Lets check ourselves, the fans started grumbling and groaning within ten minutes, we were playing without much pace but we were knocking the ball about fairly comfortably, nothing to panic about. Now the grumbling then became moaning, the moaning became booing, before half time, and before we started to play poorly.

As soon as the boo's and the loud whining started, our play became disjointed, our players looked nervy and at times were trying to force the game, passes that aren't on, runs that aren't there. It's a cycle that is easily broken, by not behaving like toddlers who want cake instead of carrots. A patient and methodical approach may have been the right tactic, breaking them down slowly might have paid off, had the fans not panicked the team into breaking from that, which lead to the lack of cohesion in the first place.

Are our players too easily influenced by what is coming out of the crowd? Clearly they aren't as able to shrug it off as you lot may think. The booing and moaning makes everything 3x worse, it's not just this weekend, it happens every time we don't play at 100mph or race into a 2-0 lead.

The sense of entitlement amongst our fans is unbearable, what happened to being patient? What happened to supporting the team? Obviously i could go on a rant about how society demands instant gratification etc blah blah blah but I'll spare you that. That first half made me ashamed to be a Spurs fan, not in a way that being a Chelsea or Liverpool fan would, but the childish and impatient attitude of WHL, it's pathetic and is actually harming the team. Yes we ended that half pretty poorly, but had the crowd not jumped on their backs so quickly, would we have been so poor? I don't think so.

(for the benefit of some, i wrote this at half time, i haven't a bloody clue what happened in the second half, but man, a Siggy hat-trick? That came out of nowhere! I wasn't expecting Lloris to be that good on the wing either, fair play to AvB for that, especially in that lightning storm)

 

[King of Otters]

Me. On your mum.

Zing.

 

[tototoner]

The boos, a lot had it in for Villas-Boas before we even kicked a ball this season

 

[SugarRay]

A lot still seem to be unhappy at the summer activities.

 

[AJW]

Was a weird atmosphere from kick off

 

[thfc1989]

The boos, a lot had it in for Villas-Boas before we even kicked a ball this season

Hardly. I'm sick of hearing about this supposed agenda. He has made poor decisions in his career in English football and was rightly called up about them at Chelsea, and now the same is starting to happen at Spurs. I was really excited when we got AVB in as I thought we would play with more tactical discipline and he would favour technique over simply being a good character. Sadly this is not the case.

A lot of the blame lies with Levy. He sold our most creative players and refused to cough up the cash for Moutinho at the last minute. It must also be acknowledged that the team has been torn apart. Clint Dempsey and Sigurdson are simply not good enough. Huddlestone is too slow and cumbersome.

But the thing that upsets me the most is that AVB has made us boring. He has ripped the passion and excitement out of this team. I am just not excited about watching Spurs anymore for the first time in my adult life.

Rant over.

 

[werty]

It's the Tottenham Way!

 

[Bergsy]

As soon as the backwards passes started the booing started, so about 8 mins in.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Hardly. I'm sick of hearing about this supposed agenda. He has made poor decisions in his career in English football and was rightly called up about them at Chelsea, and now the same is starting to happen at Spurs. I was really excited when we got AVB in as I thought we would play with more tactical discipline and he would favour technique over simply being a good character. Sadly this is not the case.

A lot of the blame lies with Levy. He sold our most creative players and refused to cough up the cash for Moutinho at the last minute. It must also be acknowledged that the team has been torn apart. Clint Dempsey and Sigurdson are simply not good enough. Huddlestone is too slow and cumbersome.

But the thing that upsets me the most is that AVB has made us boring. He has ripped the passion and excitement out of this team. I am just not excited about watching Spurs anymore for the first time in my adult life.

Rant over.

are you 5 or 6 years old then? lol seriously? you must've missed the last half of last season were we played very much like this and with much better players

Ramos era? Geroge Graham and Hoddle Tottenham wasnt exactly an exciting watch either, odd last thing to say but it is an angry rant so you're obviously not thinking clearly.

Agree with some of what you wrote though, Levy is to blame, made so much money on VDV and Modric and then played silly buggers by not buying Wiilan and Moutinho. those 2 would have greatly made is us more easy on the eye and we couldve handled the injury to parker and dembele much easier.
instead we are having to go through huddlestone who is an awful creative midfielder, if Sandro is the ball winner enforcer, then why the frak was tom walking around the back 4 spraying balls to walker and Vert.

Sig and Dempsey are just looking like bad purchases, Probably dempsey more so, he was going cheap and we stole him last minute from liverpool, I'm sure daniel was chuffed with himself thinking he got a right steal. was interested to see how he would work with Adebayor first before writing him off, and for 40 minutes he looked just as anonymous


-------------Lloris
BAE--Kaboul-Vert--Walker

-------Parker--Sandro
------------Dembele
Bale-------Ade----Lennon

not ideal but if we ever get lucky enough to see that team for a period then i think we will be comfortably top 6 and will see better football

 

[Marty]

If fans now feel more detached from the team now than they felt during the 2 points from 8 games spell or any time between 1996 and the appointment of Jol in 2004 they are either overreacting like crazy or kidding themselves.

Last time I looked we were still 5th. What this result has done is put masses of pressure on the team before the NLD, regardless of the outcome in the City game. The lack of atmosphere and the strong negativity towards the team is very worrying, even though I know the team today didn't give anyone any reason to be cheerful.

Many people said before the start of the season that we might be a better away side than a home side this season, me included. God, I hope we will be.

 

[thfc1989]

are you 5 or 6 years old then? lol seriously? you must've missed the last half of last season were we played very much like this and with much better players

Ramos era? Geroge Graham and Hoddle Tottenham wasnt exactly an exciting watch either, odd last thing to say but it is an angry rant so you're obviously not thinking clearly.

Agree with some of what you wrote though, Levy is to blame, made so much money on VDV and Modric and then played silly buggers by not buying Wiilan and Moutinho. those 2 would have greatly made is us more easy on the eye and we couldve handled the injury to parker and dembele much easier.
instead we are having to go through huddlestone who is an awful creative midfielder, if Sandro is the ball winner enforcer, then why the frak was tom walking around the back 4 spraying balls to walker and Vert.

Sig and Dempsey are just looking like bad purchases, Probably dempsey more so, he was going cheap and we stole him last minute from liverpool, I'm sure daniel was chuffed with himself thinking he got a right steal. was interested to see how he would work with Adebayor first before writing him off, and for 40 minutes he looked just as anonymous


-------------Lloris
BAE--Kaboul-Vert--Walker

-------Parker--Sandro
------------Dembele
Bale-------Ade----Lennon

not ideal but if we ever get lucky enough to see that team for a period then i think we will be comfortably top 6 and will see better football

I said my adult life!

 

[kaz Hirai]

I said my adult life!

then you didnt support spurs at the periods mentioned then? Or it's actually likely that the football we played for the first half of last season is still just fresh in your mind and your comment is knee jerk after a poor display and result

 

[StartingPrice]

Hardly. I'm sick of hearing about this supposed agenda. He has made poor decisions in his career in English football and was rightly called up about them at Chelsea, and now the same is starting to happen at Spurs. I was really excited when we got AVB in as I thought we would play with more tactical discipline and he would favour technique over simply being a good character. Sadly this is not the case.

A lot of the blame lies with Levy. He sold our most creative players and refused to cough up the cash for Moutinho at the last minute. It must also be acknowledged that the team has been torn apart. Clint Dempsey and Sigurdson are simply not good enough. Huddlestone is too slow and cumbersome.

But the thing that upsets me the most is that AVB has made us boring. He has ripped the passion and excitement out of this team. I am just not excited about watching Spurs anymore for the first time in my adult life.

Rant over.

Yes, there is a fecking agenda.
We are FIFTH during a period of transition with a lengthy injury list.

He made a few mistakes at Chelsea, but the main culprits were his senior players and his bosss, who swore absolutely, and frequently, that he had his full support i what he was doing and finishing in the top 4 wasn't a priority and then stabbed hm in the back. There are some very lengthy threads on this - go read them, eh.

The same most definitely isn't starting to happen here - if anything, it is the opposite, he is trying too hard not to leave anyone out or offend anyone.

Yes, let's restart the Levy whinge, shall we - Levy matched the price Porto wanted for Moutinho, Porto raised the price and Levy matched it again, and then Porto sent faulty paperwork in - how is that refusing to cough up the cash?

Sigurdsson and Dempsey have neither proven that they are good enough, nor shown that they are not good enough...and that's the end of it.

Huddlestone certainly wasn't the worst player today.

There was little difference between that performance and the performances against Wigan and many other lower half teams, particularly at WHL, under Mr Redknapp - take the fecking rose-tinted glasses off.

I am massively disappointed by that, today, but I am even more disappointed by the knee-jerking, booing idiots. This was epitomised by the reaction to the Defoe substitution: he came off because he had did nothing, was doing nothing and when not scoring will do nothing - but the fans know best, and decided to sing the JD he's a Yiddo song - how tedious. All it did was reinforced the look on Defoe's face of poor little me, that feeds his sulky attitude when he isn't playing, which is exactly when he really could be useful to us as an impact sub/fit and motivated squad player. But oh no, the fans know best <YAWN> Way to go, help sow dissension when there needn't be any

 

[Marty]

I said my adult life!

You're clearly born in 1989, as am I. I consider the Ramos debacle part of my adult life as I was 19 and a 2nd year at uni during the 2 from 8 spell.

Regardless, I don't understand how you can claim to not care when we're 5th, regardless of how well we've performed in some of the games. We both grew up with constant failure and I assume you also experienced incredible amounts of taunting about it at school (friendly for the most part, but still). I feel that I have to be thankful for seeing the club in the position it's in now, even though I'm very disappointed with today's result.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Hardly. I'm sick of hearing about this supposed agenda. He has made poor decisions in his career in English football and was rightly called up about them at Chelsea, and now the same is starting to happen at Spurs. I was really excited when we got AVB in as I thought we would play with more tactical discipline and he would favour technique over simply being a good character. Sadly this is not the case.

A lot of the blame lies with Levy. He sold our most creative players and refused to cough up the cash for Moutinho at the last minute. It must also be acknowledged that the team has been torn apart. Clint Dempsey and Sigurdson are simply not good enough. Huddlestone is too slow and cumbersome.

But the thing that upsets me the most is that AVB has made us boring. He has ripped the passion and excitement out of this team. I am just not excited about watching Spurs anymore for the first time in my adult life.

Rant over.

Made us boring? What do you expect from a bunch of shite players who are more interested in their hair does, than actually applying themselves in a football game of which they are paid 10's of thousands of pounds to actually be professional at.

 

[Wick3d]

Thank god our next 2 games are away, oh wait we are playing City and the Scum. Fuck...

 

[BK007]

OK, eternally naive children, stop criticizing the fans, the pessimists, the realists etc. the fucking facts of the matter are we have not played well in the majority of our matches. Stop "WE ARE 4TH" and "WE BEAT MU AT OT" excuses. If you want us to play like Sunderland or Wolves then you should be delighted, otherwise, stop being blind and overly sensitive to valid criticisms.

We've been lucky in the majority of our matches because the defend for our lives tactic is pure stupidity. Looks like it's running out.

AVB needs to turn it around fast, and is increasingly looking like he can't do it. Not all the fault is with him though. Daniel Levy has to stop being praised because he's done jackshit and his meddling continues to weigh us down.

Also, lots of our wants turned us down, and I can't see them wanting to come in January if they've seen how we've played so far.

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

OK, eternally naive children, stop criticizing the fans, the pessimists, the realists etc. the fucking facts of the matter are we have not played well in the majority of our matches. Stop "WE ARE 4TH" and "WE BEAT MU AT OT" excuses. If you want us to play like Sunderland or Wolves then you should be delighted, otherwise, stop being blind and overly sensitive to valid criticisms.

We've been lucky in the majority of our matches because the defend for our lives tactic is pure stupidity. Looks like it's running out.

AVB needs to turn it around fast, and is increasingly looking like he can't do it. Not all the fault is with him though. Daniel Levy has to stop being praised because he's done jackshit and his meddling continues to weigh us down.

Also, lots of our wants turned us down, and I can't see them wanting to come in January if they've seen how we've played so far.

Boo-ing after 8 minutes? That's got nothing to do with previous games, nothing to do with league position, nothing to do with anything other than fans who feel entitled to sit and moan, bitch and groan before anything has happened. We can't say the fans caused the bad performance, but it sure as hell contributed and 100% didn't help. If they play crap, boo at the end, let them know how you feel, write a bloody letter, but you don't like the fact we knocked it back to the keeper a couple of times in the first half hour and aren't winning? Suck it up and support the team, you want to be able to instantly influence results from your fat arse? Give X-Factor your money, or go shout at traffic.

 

[nightgoat]

As soon as the boo's and the loud whining started, our play became disjointed, our players looked nervy and at times were trying to force the game, passes that aren't on, runs that aren't there. It's a cycle that is easily broken, by not behaving like toddlers who want cake instead of carrots.

Surely there's a compromise. Carrot cake?

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

Surely there's a compromise. Carrot cake?

I love carrot cake, but you try getting a toddler to eat it, it's all pokemon and ecstasy with them nowadays.